So, why is it that moderators or other staff lock threads which do not appear to violate any known rules with no notifications of what the reason was?

I'm not saying that if rules are inadvertently broken that action should not be taken, but how the fluff do you expect people to respect this place if threads just get locked and no on site explanation is given. I even checked the email I used to register (which I do not check often) just in case, but nothing there either.

The thread in question is linked to in my signature. One of the moderators of that forum posted a few times saying only nice things, so whatever happened even that person obviously is not in on it...

Explanation?

I'm quite confused by this apparently random act of belligerence. At least I can view it as nothing else since no explanation of any kind was given anywhere.

I can see why people complain about the moderation here. Having run quite a few forums myself over the years (from Art sites to Porn sites to Science Education sites!) I like to think I know how to conduct myself. And the first thing any moderator needs to know is that any action taken that directly effects a user MUST be explained to that user. Failing to do that is just ... unprofessional at best and incompetent at worst. There is no way to learn how to avoid similar situations in the future without that very basic courtesy.

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Hi @Sockratease - Please refer to this thread where I explain why I've locked the forum posts:

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2899703

Additionally, the reason I locked the thread itself was because there was nothing left to discuss. If you wish to talk about this matter privately or if you have any questions you'd like answered, I would be MORE THAN happy to chat with you some more. And.. this goes for ALL members.

Thank you so much!

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Wow. What a ridiculous rule. For those too lazy to read the link, it refers to a new rule of the TOS, that off-site linking is prohibited. This includes freebies. Why? Because Rendo thinks it will encourage people to upload freebies to their site. If I had uploaded freebies here, this would cause me to pull them all due to this rule.

BTW, I seriously hope this rule does not also apply to vendors for links to free fan-add-ons for their products (for example, let's say I upload Daz 3Delight optimized material presets for one of Sveva's older products on Sharecg-- something that the vendor has no control over but would help boost sales for that item. I've also seen some product pages where the vendor linked to all free texture add-ons made by fans.) And don't give me the "none of the other sites allow off-site linking to free add-ons" excuse, because Rendo is NOT the other sites.

I also hope this rule does not apply for us that have our own web sites we use to sell our art & animations work on, Meaning I buy stuff here at rendorosity use it to create art and sell my finished art work on my own site and sometimes I will post link to to my web site where my art work can be found or where you can watch a animation I created like on YouTube.

I really hope that off site linking does not apply to these examples i just gave. if so then this is a really stupid rule. and I may have to reconsider how I buy and use content I use to create art work that I sell. because selling art work on renderosity is not a option for me when I make 30 minute animations , Book cover art , fan art and Manga art that I sell on my own site. .. or for posting youtube videos , or off site links to my social networking for free untagged renders I give away to draw in customers to my web site.. I really hope that this rule does not apply to this kind of off site linking. if it does its really a stupid one. and will hurt my business I do here

poisinivy posted at 7:42PM Wed, 17 February 2016 - #4255641

I also hope this rule does not apply for us that have our own web sites we use to sell our art & animations work on, Meaning I buy stuff here at rendorosity use it to create art and sell my finished art work on my own site and sometimes I will post link to to my web site where my art work can be found or where you can watch a animation I created like on YouTube.

I really hope that off site linking does not apply to these examples i just gave. if so then this is a really stupid rule. and I may have to reconsider how I buy and use content I use to create art work that I sell. because selling art work on renderosity is not a option for me when I make 30 minute animations , Book cover art , fan art and Manga art that I sell on my own site. .. or for posting youtube videos , or off site links to my social networking for free untagged renders I give away to draw in customers to my web site.. I really hope that this rule does not apply to this kind of off site linking. if it does its really a stupid one. and will hurt my business I do here

That's exactly what it means. No links to commercial sites. Not for freebies or otherwise. Period.

It amazes me that anyone would think that that rule would make freebie creators such as myself want to upload here. It doesn't. One can just read the dead forums lately and see how well these new rules are doing for them.

Laurie

poisinivy posted at 4:48PM Wed, 17 February 2016 - #4255641

I also hope this rule does not apply for us that have our own web sites we use to sell our art & animations work on, Meaning I buy stuff here at rendorosity use it to create art and sell my finished art work on my own site and sometimes I will post link to to my web site where my art work can be found or where you can watch a animation I created like on YouTube.

I really hope that off site linking does not apply to these examples i just gave. if so then this is a really stupid rule. and I may have to reconsider how I buy and use content I use to create art work that I sell. because selling art work on renderosity is not a option for me when I make 30 minute animations , Book cover art , fan art and Manga art that I sell on my own site. .. or for posting youtube videos , or off site links to my social networking for free untagged renders I give away to draw in customers to my web site.. I really hope that this rule does not apply to this kind of off site linking. if it does its really a stupid one. and will hurt my business I do here

That is indeed precisely what it means. Unfortunately, ShareCG is not an alternative for you, unless I'm wrong because IIRC they don't allow linking period (though I think it's okay if you mention the name of your site in the freebie description, and it's definitely okay to provide the URL in the readme file)

I have another question for Hope, BTW. Does this rule also apply to posting the URL of the product required for the freebie? In case I am being too vague, I am referring to a product link on the freebie download/description page. What about links to said product in the readme?

oh gosh, but do i so incredibly want to be wholly invested in a expressing a bit of vehement snarkiness, but i shall refrain.

not being a creator of free content, i've always used links i've found here as a way to marry up things from other sites, for example, re-read IceEmpress's example. off site linking is regularly a circular thing, and not a straight line having an end point. it's a huge loop traversing from one place to the next, hunting down the next inspiration, and in its own right, can be exceptionally fun to explore and wander through it all, and then coming back to the origin of source and buying whatever might be required to further the inspiring item so an image can happen.

sadly, i'm not terribly surprised by this rule, or frankly, anything else that feels as if it is imposed by staff rather than desired by 'community'. [insert silent snarky thought here]

The thing is I give my free renders away here at rendersoity as well when I do I post a link saying where more art work like that can be found for sale. .Why do I do this. Because Rendersoity does not have a section for us artist to sell our art work, book covers or animations or renders in general . so that is why I have my own web site. Too show case and sell my art work and animations because these stores don;t sell it for us. so if buying 3d content here to use for rendered art work I sell on my site and then not allowed to post the link to my site after i bought the content here is ridiculous. and really up sets me.
Its very hard to be positive when stupid crap like this keeps coming up. heres a idea renderosity.. why not actually offer a freebie from your store once a week instead of depending on the generosity of the users. .. because with this new rule you just shot yourself in the foot. I won;t be posting my freebie here. I have 2 of them.

I'd like to suggest that Rednerosity make a new section for us to sell our rendered art work on then if we can't post our own site links here where we sell or renders art.. or be prepared to loose long time customers that use the content to create renders we sell on our own sites. .. how low & petty is that anyway? Renderosity sells the stuff, then you can't post links to where and how we used it.. that is really stupid. what about my youtube animation videos no off site links for them either?
what about my google plus can't post off site links to where we have our renders on .. really ? does rendersoty allow for us to sell porn animations. because i have a lot adult rated animations that are off site I sell . so off site linking to us artist that sell rendered art work this rule will kill us.

Who are the idiots that come up with these stupid ideas anyways. can I get a job here as well I believe i could sell snow to a Eskimo . coming up with stupid ideas & rules should be very easy

poisinivy posted at 5:40PM Wed, 17 February 2016 - #4255651

The thing is I give my free renders away here at rendersoity as well when I do I post a link saying where more art work like that can be found for sale. .Why do I do this. Because Rendersoity does not have a section for us artist to sell our art work, book covers or animations or renders in general . so that is why I have my own web site. Too show case and sell my art work and animations because these stores don;t sell it for us. so if buying 3d content here to use for rendered art work I sell on my site and then not allowed to post the link to my site after i bought the content here is ridiculous. and really up sets me.

You're allowed to mention your site by name, just no links. -_- Yeah...

heres a idea renderosity.. why not actually offer a freebie from your store once a week instead of depending on the generosity of the users. .. because with this new rule you just shot yourself in the foot. I won;t be posting my freebie here. I have 2 of them.

Agreed, incredibly self-destructive, esp. when the competition allows it.

I'd like to suggest that Rednerosity make a new section for us to sell our rendered art work on then if we can't post our own site links here where we sell or renders art.. or be prepared to loose long time customers that use the content to create renders we sell on our own sites. .. how low & petty is that anyway? Renderosity sells the stuff, then you can't post links to where and how we used it.

Unfortunately, this seems unlikely. If Rendo allowed renders to be sold here, they would be the first 3D site to do so other than the Poser porn site (not sure if it's against the TOS to mention it by name)

what about my google plus can't post off site links to where we have our renders on .. really ? does rendersoty allow for us to sell porn animations. because i have a lot adult rated animations that are off site I sell . so off site linking to us artist that sell rendered art work this rule will kill us.

No, but the er-- 3D Poser porn store does.

You never addressed the YouTube animation videos links . if we can't post links are you going to allow us to embed videos? or are people suppose to guess where our sites and links are? so good luck with this new rule. I know of one person you just alienated from posting anymore free stuff here.

Sadly , you and many others PoisinIvy. And yes Daz3D and Runtime DNA along with many other sites allow offsite linking. They have huge regularly updated lists of them that Mods are even assigned to , to update. This is a community and we are all tied in together sharing our knowledge , free stuff , links and experiences. Not allowing this to happen here is a mistake.

Some of the recent decisions Rendo has been making has been mind-boggling. Like-- how in the world did they think it would ever do anything short of destroy them. Before this, there was the ridiculous gallery limits during the initial site redesign (one of them being that you had to be a Prime member in order to upload more than a few, and I can't recall what else, but it would have destroyed the MP as it would prevent non-prime vendors from showcasing WIP products in the galleries. Rendo realized their mistake and removed the limitations, but by then a lot of people had pulled their galleries-- the difference is most definitely noticeable, I don't get the search term hits that I did prior to the redesign.)

Well, that about sums it up with Renderosity's decline in membership

More troll = more members leaving

Bad site design = more members leaving

Bad sales promotions = less members buying

more restrictions = more members leaving

I almost have a feeling that Renderosity is purposely making people leave.

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Actually I just wish they'd do away with everything. Just keep the marketplace and a forum for troubleshooting purchases. That's all they're actually invested in anyway, why bother with forums, freestuff, galleries etc? Maybe then the community could even pull together and have a forum without worrying about sales. I'd rather subscribe to a forum and gallery that has been tailored to the users' wishes than have to come in here and deal with all the politics of this site.

I read the rule about linking to off site commercial stuff, but my site sells nothing and is not commercial in any sense of the word.

The way the rule reads to me is no linking to a site which is competitive, which makes sense - but even if I disagree with the rule, that's fine. It's not my site.

I'm more put off by the crude moderation.

Sure, enforce rules however you see fit, but if you lock a thread it is your responsibility to make a final post right in that thread explaining why. Or, if that is somehow not the way you like to inform users of such things, then use the sitemail. At the same time as taking action! Timing of informing people is critical. This site lacks the activity to claim that the staff are too busy for that simple courtesy.

I am not arguing the rules, just stating that they are enforced in such a way that makes the staff look foolish, and inexperienced in the ways of running forums.

If you want a community - you have to communicate! Not wait for people to ask. The rule is phrased ambiguously enough to fool an old hand at this such as myself, but an explanation - At The Time - would have been nice.

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Sockratease posted at 9:46AM Thu, 18 February 2016 - #4255710

I read the rule about linking to off site commercial stuff, but my site sells nothing and is not commercial in any sense of the word.

The way the rule reads to me is no linking to a site which is competitive, which makes sense - but even if I disagree with the rule, that's fine. It's not my site.

I'm more put off by the crude moderation.

Sure, enforce rules however you see fit, but if you lock a thread it is your responsibility to make a final post right in that thread explaining why. Or, if that is somehow not the way you like to inform users of such things, then use the sitemail. At the same time as taking action! Timing of informing people is critical. This site lacks the activity to claim that the staff are too busy for that simple courtesy.

I am not arguing the rules, just stating that they are enforced in such a way that makes the staff look foolish, and inexperienced in the ways of running forums.

If you want a community - you have to communicate! Not wait for people to ask. The rule is phrased ambiguously enough to fool an old hand at this such as myself, but an explanation - At The Time - would have been nice.

There is no offsite linking of freebies now, no matter if the site is commercial or not. They feel that is going to make people want to upload freebies here instead. I dunno about you, but it makes me want to upload any freebie here even LESS. People have their own reasons for sharing their own creations and they should be be able to share them in whatever way they see fit - not be told how they should share them. Why do something that benefits Renderosity when Renderosity does nothing to benefit the freebie creator other than tell them "this is how it's gonna be"? ;)

Laurie

Oh joy, yet another reason not to post free stuff on this site. Incredible that the people in charge of running this debacle are still employed. Seriously, how much more damage are you going to continue to inflict with stupid, petty rules that only serve to further alienate the community? sadly, "There's none so blind as those who will not see."

Locked Out

Every single day I come here, something new is broken.

For months, no years on end, nothing gets fixed. But every day, something new is broken. No wonder everybody is leaving.

A long time ago I used to post here. I started several threads, and many ran to dozens of pages, tens of thousands of views and hundreds, sometimes thousands of replies. People were excited by those threads, and came here every day to keep up with them. That was in the days of a proper community.

They were threads about EZMat, EZSkin, Pose2Lux, Subdivision in Poser, EZMetals et al. Hope, you probably don't know much about those projects, not being an actual community member yourself, but take it from me that they were quite popular among Poser users.

And what did they all have in common? They were all threads about freebies available offsite, with links to them.

Others used to create similarly popular threads: the Antonia thread, the Luxpose thread etc. And guess what? they were all about freebies available offsite too.

It used to work like this:

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to read more about it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to ask for help with it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to make suggestions for enhancements to it.

People would go and fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to buy products to use with the freebie.

Read that again. It's important. IT'S WHAT MADE THIS A COMMUNITY. People were excited about the forums, excited about Renderosity.

Not only are the originators of those threads no longer active here, but none of those threads would be possible now. With the new dumbass rules they would each have been locked on the very first day - every single one of them.

Nobody here has a clue about what makes the community tick, so they just make up rules instead. It would be funny if it wasn't such a joke.

Still, instead of genuine understanding we have the fake smiles and cheesy cheerleading instead. That's got to count for something, doesn't it?

Jeez.

Malysse, who once used to post as Snarlygribbly

Snarly is absolutely correct and I concur. I am thankful to still be using EzSkin and know where to find it. Others could benefit here too if this rule was no longer an issue.

Malysse posted at 10:43AM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4255857

A long time ago I used to post here. I started several threads, and many ran to dozens of pages, tens of thousands of views and hundreds, sometimes thousands of replies. People were excited by those threads, and came here every day to keep up with them. That was in the days of a proper community.

They were threads about EZMat, EZSkin, Pose2Lux, Subdivision in Poser, EZMetals et al. Hope, you probably don't know much about those projects, not being an actual community member yourself, but take it from me that they were quite popular among Poser users.

And what did they all have in common? They were all threads about freebies available offsite, with links to them.

Others used to create similarly popular threads: the Antonia thread, the Luxpose thread etc. And guess what? they were all about freebies available offsite too.

It used to work like this:

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to read more about it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to ask for help with it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to make suggestions for enhancements to it.

People would go and fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to buy products to use with the freebie.

Read that again. It's important. IT'S WHAT MADE THIS A COMMUNITY. People were excited about the forums, excited about Renderosity.

Not only are the originators of those threads no longer active here, but none of those threads would be possible now. With the new dumbass rules they would each have been locked on the very first day - every single one of them.

Nobody here has a clue about what makes the community tick, so they just make up rules instead. It would be funny if it wasn't such a joke.

Still, instead of genuine understanding we have the fake smiles and cheesy cheerleading instead. That's got to count for something, doesn't it?

Jeez.

Malysse, who once used to post as Snarlygribbly

Much to the chagrin of a community with (ironicly) no hope.

Locked Out

All of this saddens me... I care enough about our community that I personally host the archive of Dr. Geep's site as well as the archive of all of Snarls' abandoned scripts and other abandoned things. But now, apparently, I can't tell anyone where they are. And no... I'm not selling a blinking thing nor charging anyone a penny. And I run everything through a virus scanner. But, it's "for your own good."

basicwiz posted at 7:20PM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256085

All of this saddens me... I care enough about our community that I personally host the archive of Dr. Geep's site as well as the archive of all of Snarls' abandoned scripts and other abandoned things. But now, apparently, I can't tell anyone where they are. And no... I'm not selling a blinking thing nor charging anyone a penny. And I run everything through a virus scanner. But, it's "for your own good."

Well said sir, and thanks for all you've done for us over the years. It's truly shameful that the organisation that you served so well should act so poorly, preventing you from continuing to make such a valuable contribution to the community. I urge to continue despite the efforts of the current administration to ruin everything: eventually the idiocy will result in consequences that will bring home the reality to even them and then, perhaps, things will change for the better.

Keep up the good work basicwiz, even if it's less appreciated by some ;).

Laurie

...Dusts off his tinfoil hat...

Does it strike anyone else as odd that these weird, mind boggling let's-drive-our-regular-customer's-open-wallets-to-other-sites "events" seem to happen JUST before a major sale is scheduled to start at their biggest competitor?

Once is accident, twice is coincidence, but three times is enemy action, quoth Flemming... I'm going to do some charitable accounting here and roll the death-to-prime and the ill-conceived site redesign/premature launch triple whammy into the same CRM nightmare, so by that count I guess there's one strike left before we can officially shout "Conspiracy!".

But seriously, now the staff starts a major controversy by worrying about some freebie hyperlinks leading to possible(!!!) lost sales? It seems to me that for a retail business the timing really couldn't be worse.

For those members who's been here since the beginning, myself included. The more Rendo tries to change the more it remains the same. This is 'dufflebagging' 'shoot self in the foot' 'The September Sweep!" All over again. (Well, September came early this year) I may be banned for sure this time. Seriously, I don't really care anymore.

These so call 'rules' really stifle creativity and the building of a community. I'm usually not vocal in the forums, but recent events and actions by the administrations left me no choice but to voice my opinion. I see so many familiar faces, most of them I've had the pleasure and privilege to have interacted with ,learned from, and admired, crying out from the same frustration I have. It saddens me to see the site is such disarray. I'm not blaming the staff for enforcing the rules. I'm just sad that the staff don't have the common sense to work with the community members to find common grounds where both members and host could benefit. At this time I've lost complete confidence in Renderosity's ability to be community oriented site.

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I don't see why you would get modded. I've said far worse in multiple posts.

I think the **** won't truly hit the fan until this weekend when far more people will have the time to complain and/or pull their freebies. We shall see if Rendo's tactics result in more or fewer non-vendor weekend/Monday freebies than last week.

so, i cant post links to my favorite utoobs to share? or to my da galleries? (realmgal)
or stash mp4s?
what if the mp4 is to help sell a product i would sell in the rmp?

can i post links to rmp products from my website?

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No you cannot post ANY offsite links at all...it is considering "competing".

JVRenderer posted at 3:33PM Sun, 21 February 2016 - #4255688

I almost have a feeling that Renderosity is purposely making people leave.

I hate to say it, but I totally think the same thing some days... Otherwise WHY... WHY all the ridiculous changes? For us? HARDLY!

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-Wolfie- posted at 12:04AM Mon, 22 February 2016 - #4256563

JVRenderer posted at 3:33PM Sun, 21 February 2016 - #4255688

I almost have a feeling that Renderosity is purposely making people leave.

I hate to say it, but I totally think the same thing some days... Otherwise WHY... WHY all the ridiculous changes? For us? HARDLY!

~Wolfie~

I've had that feeling for a while.. but part of me has just refused to give up!

DreaminGirl posted at 11:18PM Sun, 21 February 2016 - [#4256591]

I've had that feeling for a while.. but part of me has just refused to give up!

That's what they're relying on ...

i think it's a shift the blame to the forums. i'm guesing. instead of blaming the redesigned website software.

i used to come to this site every day to check the what's new.

the first thing to put me off shopping, and i did give this feedback at the time a few times, the product titles weren't mentioning which figure the product was meant for and i didn't want to click on the individual products to find out.

then they changed the filter order. instead of clicking on the figure name, example Aiko, then see everything available for her; it gave like fantasy first, the figure was last in the filter drill down, and then i couldn't see everything for Aiko.

Then they put jumbo advertising next to my gallery images. I complained a couple months. Then deleted my gallery here.

Last thing is this new forum is kind of ridiculous. I'll come to the forum a couple times a week, but i don't browse the store. I will never spend money from my phone. i think google or chrome held the internet hostage to be phone friendly.

my last big purchase here, i ran into a no price guarantee. I bought a few items, that went on 50% sale a few days later. They don't refund the price difference in the event of a sale on those same items, other sites offer a 30-day price guarantee. Rosity emailed back to contact the vendor, the vendor emailed me back to contact renderosity. Trust was broken there.

my 2 cent feedback, if it's worth 2 cents.

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So am I the only one that seems to have been 'blocked' by Renderosity? I can no longer access Rendo via my usual IP, I have to use a proxy. I find it suspicious how that happened only minutes after I made a critical post on the forum, which btw got deleted without any notification. Is this how it works now?

DreaminGirl posted at 4:48PM Mon, 22 February 2016 - #4256713

So am I the only one that seems to have been 'blocked' by Renderosity? I can no longer access Rendo via my usual IP, I have to use a proxy. I find it suspicious how that happened only minutes after I made a critical post on the forum, which btw got deleted without any notification. Is this how it works now?

That crap (moderators taking actions without explaining them to the effected users) is why I started this thread!

I've said it before, but it bears repeating :

...the first thing any moderator needs to know is that any action taken that directly effects a user MUST be explained to that user. Failing to do that is just ... unprofessional at best and incompetent at worst.

And that explanation MUST be given :

At the same time as taking action! Timing of informing people is critical. This site lacks the activity to claim that the staff are too busy for that simple courtesy.

I am not arguing the rules, just stating that they are enforced in such a way that makes the staff look foolish, and inexperienced in the ways of running forums.

If you want a community - you have to communicate!

I understand that change is hard for moderators, but it's for their own good! If you learn nothing else from this thread, learn that taking action requires follow through. Without that you only make an already bad situation far, far worse.

Unless they truly don't care.

Which is the only conclusion one can draw from such arrogance.

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DreaminGirl posted at 4:30PM Mon, 22 February 2016 - #4256713

So am I the only one that seems to have been 'blocked' by Renderosity? I can no longer access Rendo via my usual IP, I have to use a proxy. I find it suspicious how that happened only minutes after I made a critical post on the forum, which btw got deleted without any notification. Is this how it works now?

It seems highly unlikely to me that these two things would be related. It would be one thing were it within an hour or so after the critical post, but forum admins are not part of the MP staff and therefore lack the power to do anything like what you are describing. It is more likely a bug, which I am surprised the admins have yet to address you/your post about.

Well, it could have been an hour, I was doing some other things before I checked on my post. Normally I would think it would be a DNS issue or something somewhere between me and Rendo servers, but the timing made me suspicious. I guess I'm just an old cynic ;)

I would still like to know why my posts were deleted tho, I didn't find anything in the TOS that prohibited it..

Somehow I doubt that they would ban you from the MP without banning your account-- or at the very least giving you a notification email AND PM about it... You actually might want to ask about this in Marketplace Customer Support.

IceEmpress posted at 9:19AM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4256817

Somehow I doubt that they would ban you from the MP without banning your account-- or at the very least giving you a notification email AND PM about it... You actually might want to ask about this in Marketplace Customer Support.

Anywhere else I would find it very strange that a post is deleted without the person that wrote being told why. I guess there are rare occasions when the reasons are perfectly clear but if it is a case of an interpretation of TOS then an explanation should be forthcoming. If nothing else it at least educates people as to the way the rules are being interpreted. It is not rocket science, what you are aiming to do is to discourage the behavior you don't want and encourage the behavior you do want. If you don't know what you have done that is not acceptable how can you avoid making the same mistake. Then again this is Renderosity so I really should not be surprised.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

Malysse posted at 9:24AM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4255857

A long time ago I used to post here. I started several threads, and many ran to dozens of pages, tens of thousands of views and hundreds, sometimes thousands of replies. People were excited by those threads, and came here every day to keep up with them. That was in the days of a proper community.

They were threads about EZMat, EZSkin, Pose2Lux, Subdivision in Poser, EZMetals et al. Hope, you probably don't know much about those projects, not being an actual community member yourself, but take it from me that they were quite popular among Poser users.

And what did they all have in common? They were all threads about freebies available offsite, with links to them.

Others used to create similarly popular threads: the Antonia thread, the Luxpose thread etc. And guess what? they were all about freebies available offsite too.

It used to work like this:

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to read more about it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to ask for help with it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to make suggestions for enhancements to it.

People would go and fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to buy products to use with the freebie.

Read that again. It's important. IT'S WHAT MADE THIS A COMMUNITY. People were excited about the forums, excited about Renderosity.

Not only are the originators of those threads no longer active here, but none of those threads would be possible now. With the new dumbass rules they would each have been locked on the very first day - every single one of them.

Nobody here has a clue about what makes the community tick, so they just make up rules instead. It would be funny if it wasn't such a joke.

Still, instead of genuine understanding we have the fake smiles and cheesy cheerleading instead. That's got to count for something, doesn't it?

Jeez.

Malysse, who once used to post as Snarlygribbly

It is so sad that this all happened, you Sir are a wonderful man for giving us your free scripts that , for me * changed the used of poser, made it so much better. Shame on Renderosity with their new rules that makes good people , helpful people like you leave.

Raindroptheelf posted at 10:03AM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4256830

It is so sad that this all happened, you Sir are a wonderful man for giving us your free scripts that , for me * changed the used of poser, made it so much better. Shame on Renderosity with their new rules that makes good people , helpful people like you leave.

I totally agree with your comment and use Snarlygribbly's scripts almost every time I use Poser. He is a sad loss to Renderosity but, unfortunately he is far from alone in being exiled from here. A lot of helpful, generous and helpful people have moved on. So sad.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

IceEmpress posted at 10:49AM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4256792

DreaminGirl posted at 4:30PM Mon, 22 February 2016 - #4256713

So am I the only one that seems to have been 'blocked' by Renderosity? I can no longer access Rendo via my usual IP, I have to use a proxy. I find it suspicious how that happened only minutes after I made a critical post on the forum, which btw got deleted without any notification. Is this how it works now?

It seems highly unlikely to me that these two things would be related. It would be one thing were it within an hour or so after the critical post, but forum admins are not part of the MP staff and therefore lack the power to do anything like what you are describing. It is more likely a bug, which I am surprised the admins have yet to address you/your post about.

I had a post removed this weekend as well without a notice. Afterwards my ip was also blocked and I had to use a proxy just to see it was removed. There were no issues anywhere else and I tried what someone else did, I opened this site in my usual browser and in a proxy window. Proxy window opened fine the other didn't, so it wasn't a "glitch".

Restarting one's router, hotspot etc resolves the issue if you don't have a static ip.

Wow./ I remember this happening to the site that Renderosity evolved from. The person/people who ran that site were of a dictatorial mind set and it was their way or the highway kind of mentality. I remember it well because at the time I was in a "disagreement " with the "self-proclaimed" founder and "Head Honcho" of that site and her attitude was pretty much the same as what seems to be evolving here by some of the staff. But then we all know that **** rolls downhill so who it is that seems to be behind some of the ridiculous and inept changes happening here over the last year or two here we will probably never find out. And don't give me the "it was a joint decision by all the staff? crap. Any person with authority one would think would be able to explain and truly justify their reasons for this latest bone head move but so far all I see is a couple of "moderators" taking the flak while apparently whoever is really in charge is playing the violin. Now; for those of you who weren't around or belonged to the aforementioned now defunct site I related to at the beginning of my little rant here suffice to say that it is hardly remembered by people here or for that matter anywhere on the internet. The reason is that the owner of Bondware at that time saw what was happening and took measures to rectify the situation. Hence in time Renderosity came into being and we all have had our ups and downs here over the years and this type of discord has happened over the years resulting in more people leaving every time. To me this in ways has an upside. Those people usually end up elsewhere making another site stronger and thereby more competitive with places like Renderosity. Don't worry this site will survive quite well as there are enough new people who wish to become " artists" who will join and use this site until another of these kerfluffles occurs again. Its a shame that this is so prevalent on this site but that is the way it is and will continue to be. So those who find this latest TOS change unbearable to their sensibilities haxe the right to complain and if they feel they are not being heard have the right to leave and go elsewhere. We will find you again as we always do and lets be honest, the "digital art? community is not just limited to this site but is a combination of all the sites like it. Anyone who thinks this site is the be all and end all one is truly limiting themselves not only as a person but also as a creative person and "artist". I particularly am not worried if I ever got banned or whatever from any site since if I am not wanted on that site why bother being there? I have had invites from other sites to post my stuff but being a bit lazy I haven't bothered moving/ But that can change if circumstances warrant. Good caring community minded people like those posting here are actually hard to find so to those of you decide or have decided to leave I wish you all the best and I am sure I will see you pop up on another site soon. But for now I will just shut my big yap:) Nick aka Beelzebulb

ChaoticSanity posted at 7:36PM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4256885

IceEmpress posted at 10:49AM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4256792

DreaminGirl posted at 4:30PM Mon, 22 February 2016 - #4256713

So am I the only one that seems to have been 'blocked' by Renderosity? I can no longer access Rendo via my usual IP, I have to use a proxy. I find it suspicious how that happened only minutes after I made a critical post on the forum, which btw got deleted without any notification. Is this how it works now?

It seems highly unlikely to me that these two things would be related. It would be one thing were it within an hour or so after the critical post, but forum admins are not part of the MP staff and therefore lack the power to do anything like what you are describing. It is more likely a bug, which I am surprised the admins have yet to address you/your post about.

I had a post removed this weekend as well without a notice. Afterwards my ip was also blocked and I had to use a proxy just to see it was removed. There were no issues anywhere else and I tried what someone else did, I opened this site in my usual browser and in a proxy window. Proxy window opened fine the other didn't, so it wasn't a "glitch".

Restarting one's router, hotspot etc resolves the issue if you don't have a static ip.

Well it's not just me then, good to know :)

I have static IP so nothing I can do about it other than using a proxy

poisinivy posted at 10:21AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4255657

You never addressed the YouTube animation videos links . if we can't post links are you going to allow us to embed videos? or are people suppose to guess where our sites and links are? so good luck with this new rule. I know of one person you just alienated from posting anymore free stuff here.

You would be welcome to post your YouTube/Vimeo links to you animations Ivy there is nowhere in the TOS that states otherwise. The same could be said for tutorials and while there are many great tutorials on site from both members and affiliates there would not be a fraction of what is required to cover specifics,tips,tricks and techniques that artists have uploaded over the years to those sites.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com

JVRenderer posted at 9:08AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4255688

Well, that about sums it up with Renderosity's decline in membership

More troll = more members leaving

Bad site design = more members leaving

Bad sales promotions = less members buying

more restrictions = more members leaving

I almost have a feeling that Renderosity is purposely making people leave.

maybe in the near future daz will swallow rr as it did with rdna.!!!

LPR did not articulate himself very well, but what he is saying is that instead of linking to youtube, you should upload your videos to the Freestuff area under "Animations".
Please don't. It's bad enough that there are so many animations cluttering up the poorly organized freestuff pages.

IceEmpress posted at 11:00PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257053

LPR did not articulate himself very well, but what he is saying is that instead of linking to youtube, you should upload your videos to the Freestuff area under "Animations".
Please don't. It's bad enough that there are so many animations cluttering up the poorly organized freestuff pages.

The only error I made was I left the r off of Your and had you animations and for that I apologize, If you have read my comment that you are referring to and you interpreted it as this then it might go a long way to explaining things......... however I have fixated on a much bigger fear - Do we have two TOS's ? because honestly I can only cope with one.

• IceEmpress () () posted at 11:50PM Sun, 21 February 2016 · @4256432 Which still does not fit the new TOS, which says NO LINKING TO ANYTHING EXTERNAL, not even for youtube videos or to free tutorials on like-- a blog or something.

I have requested a link to this elusive Renderosity TOS on another thread (Linking to freestuff items) and you may not have seen it yet, No matter which angle I head into the current TOS I just keep seeing this below

• Additionally, offsite linking to other marketplaces or freestuff sites are not allowed within the forum, gallery, or forum signatures. For example: Links to competing stores like Daz3d.com, RuntimeDNA.com, etc are not allowed. However, links to non-competing stores like Etsy.com or Ebay.com are acceptable.

If there is an obsolete page here that requires removing then it will be addressed immediately. The only TOS in use can be found in the about section located at the bottom of the page.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com

So I just confirmed my suspicions from earlier. I have in fact been banned for making a critical post, apparently I 'violated the TOS' tho I have no idea what I violated. No warnings, no messages, nothing.

People, this is the new Renderosity. Beware.

What was your banned username?

This one. They didn't ban my account, but they banned my IP..

DreaminGirl, I see nothing that indicates you've been banned in any way. If you were, it wouldn't be your ip, you wouldn't be able to log in at all or post under your username. What makes you think you've been banned?

...... Kendra

@Kendra

It was stated right here: https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2900008

JVRenderer posted at 8:31PM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4256229

For those members who's been here since the beginning, myself included. The more Rendo tries to change the more it remains the same. This is 'dufflebagging' 'shoot self in the foot' 'The September Sweep!" All over again. (Well, September came early this year) I may be banned for sure this time. Seriously, I don't really care anymore.

Lol. Totally forgot about "dufflebag". :) Seriously though, I really hope everyone can just hold on and wait it out. Try not to let tempers get the best of us and not take things personal that aren't meant that way. We are still a community and a pretty good one at that. Let's see what happens, ok? Don't make me start posting cat pics. ;)

...... Kendra

DreaminGirl posted at 8:42PM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259346

@Kendra

It was stated right here: https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2900008

Huh. Ok, I still don't see how any type of ban would still allow a member to post under their member name though. Was it a vendor issue? I'll look in to it.

...... Kendra

No idea. I can only guess it was because I commented on the community manager's infamous blog post, since this seems to have been decided by said community manager..

I just came back on Xmas Day, and I regret it already. It just makes no sense. the forums are dead as a post (get it?) except for the complaints admins can't handle seeing (you paying attention Hope?), And the galleries are constantly spammed by a flood of images by the same 2 artists who drown out all the poser porn. Why did I come back here?

Kendra posted at 11:46AM Mon, 07 March 2016 - #4259348

JVRenderer posted at 8:31PM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4256229

For those members who's been here since the beginning, myself included. The more Rendo tries to change the more it remains the same. This is 'dufflebagging' 'shoot self in the foot' 'The September Sweep!" All over again. (Well, September came early this year) I may be banned for sure this time. Seriously, I don't really care anymore.

Lol. Totally forgot about "dufflebag". :) Seriously though, I really hope everyone can just hold on and wait it out. Try not to let tempers get the best of us and not take things personal that aren't meant that way. We are still a community and a pretty good one at that. Let's see what happens, ok? Don't make me start posting cat pics. ;)

Kendra, you violated the TOS by posting an offsite link in your signature. Why are you allowed to do this, and we get banned for it? I kinda think people are getting sick of waiting it out. I've only been back for 2 months and a bit and I hate it here already. If not for the handful of friends I have here I'd have turned around at the door.

Madbat posted at 9:03AM Tue, 08 March 2016 - #4259722

Kendra, you violated the TOS by posting an offsite link in your signature. Why are you allowed to do this, and we get banned for it? I kinda think people are getting sick of waiting it out. I've only been back for 2 months and a bit and I hate it here already. If not for the handful of friends I have here I'd have turned around at the door.

• Additionally, offsite linking to other marketplaces or freestuff sites are not allowed within the forum, gallery, or forum signatures. For example: Links to competing stores like Daz3d.com, RuntimeDNA.com, etc are not allowed. However, links to non-competing stores like Etsy.com or Ebay.com are acceptable.

• Links to known, safe, established websites are not being banned. If you want to link to a tutorial on YouTube or Lynda.com, info on Smith Micro or DAZ, and links. What Renderosity don't want is your link to land at a competing marketplace however as you can see Daz and SM mentioned there are info sheets and tutorials etc that are useful and there is no issue linking to those.

It also appears they are not keen on the personal websites, blogs and sharing freebie/files via dropbox and google drive etc. As for signatures there would be nothing stopping you from putting for example - Madbat01/ShareCg etc as long as it is not a link.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com

Madbat posted at 6:46PM Tue, 08 March 2016 - #4259722

Kendra, you violated the TOS by posting an offsite link in your signature. Why are you allowed to do this, and we get banned for it? I kinda think people are getting sick of waiting it out. I've only been back for 2 months and a bit and I hate it here already. If not for the handful of friends I have here I'd have turned around at the door.

It's not a violation as Johnny points out and it was something I checked on when I learned of the new rule. That said, it was a valid question. As for waiting it out, anyone who has been here for more than a decade has seen these things come and go. I made my own concerns regarding it known and at this point all we can do is voice our concerns within the confines of the TOS and wait and see what happens. Until then it is the rule and we all have to abide by it whether we agree with it or not.

...... Kendra

I'm really just posting here because I've run afoul of the TOS and I want to see what's currently in my signature.

Interesting discussion.

What's happened to this place? From the horrible customer support to the authoritarian censorship, it's really gotten out of hand.

Vorlath posted at 9:02AM Mon, 14 March 2016 - #4260923

What's happened to this place? From the horrible customer support to the authoritarian censorship, it's really gotten out of hand.

Good question, well presented but those with the answers seem reluctant to make the reasons public.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

Are we allowed to post our Facebook page or Twiiter or Instagram accounts? Those are actually advertising the art we do with Rendo products and not competing with them... I guess I'll find out LOL...

ART BY ALICIA HOLLINGER

www.AliciaHollinger.com
FACEBOOK: Alicia's Page TWITTER: @AliciaHollinger INSTAGRAM: @AliciaHollinger

Hi @Alicia- Yeah, it's fine to post your Facebook pages - just be sure that it's definitely not competing. Thank you.

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine

hopeandlove posted at 2:38PM Fri, 25 March 2016 - #4262444

Hi @Alicia- Yeah, it's fine to post your Facebook pages - just be sure that it's definitely not competing. Thank you.

Reading this I am glad I deleted my Gallery here at RMP. I rather put my work in places where competition is seen as a good thing. Those places are also doing very well.

Why is Rendo closing so many doors? This 3d computer art community is small enough as it is, so this move toward becoming an isolated store/forum, cutting off help and freebies from other sites, etc is very scary to me. Isolation does not promote more traffic, on the contrary, it sends many people looking elsewhere.

I am genuinely baffled.

Well, I did the unthinkable.... I went back to Daz, forced myself to start learning DS, and bought a whole bunch of product from them because the atmosphere here lately is not conducive to spending money. It's obviously nothing against the artists, they are mostly at DAZ now too, some are gone from here forever... I have no idea why the admin are going out of their way to destroy a once lively and creative artist site and actively chase away both customers and vendors, but it is what they have chosen to do... Which is sad. So I once compared DAZ to a boyfriend that I still loved but had nothing in common with anymore (and that got deleted from the forums but strangely remained on their Facebook review section.) But I've forgiven DAZ, at least for now, they are being very helpful in the newbie DS user forum, and I only say this to make a point that the admins are actively chasing away their customers and I have no idea why, what benefit is it gaining them? They don't want us to link to competitors, so instead we shop there. When the going gets tough, the tough gets going-- to other sites.... And now I find it sad spending less time here, again, feels like an old friend that I no longer have anything in common with. A friend who is spiraling out of control, chasing all her old friends away. And soon Rendo will be in therapy wondering, where did all my friends go??? Why is this an empty site? So sad. But the admins refuse to listen to the customers or vendors and I guess that worked in Daz's favor, four years later, finally... So it will be interesting to see if Rendo dies on the vine or manages to flourish. I truly hope it can rise above all this to get back to its former glory.... But for now, DAZ just got a ridiculous amount of money from me that I can't afford and really, it's just because this site is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth, I really wish they would hire long time customers or vendors as admins, that would solve everything...

ART BY ALICIA HOLLINGER

www.AliciaHollinger.com
FACEBOOK: Alicia's Page TWITTER: @AliciaHollinger INSTAGRAM: @AliciaHollinger

FWIW, it's happening at Daz too. Same symptoms, same results. In fact, that's why I've stopped in here - hoping to find a place like the 'old daz' or the 'old rendo'. Apparently it's not to be.

Maybe I'll just go render something instead.

When you lose the likes of the great mr snarlygribble, you're really not paying attention.

be well all,

ms

And in related news, the HiveWire forum is flourishing..

DreaminGirl posted at 10:23AM Sun, 17 April 2016 - #4265776

And in related news, the HiveWire forum is flourishing..

Here is one of the definitions of flourish, seems quite ironic to me. ;)

flourish verb (WAVE)

[T] to ​move something in ​your ​hand in ​order to make ​people ​look at it:

Razor42 posted at 4:22AM Sun, 17 April 2016 - #4265892

DreaminGirl posted at 10:23AM Sun, 17 April 2016 - #4265776

And in related news, the HiveWire forum is flourishing..

Here is one of the definitions of flourish, seems quite ironic to me. ;)

flourish verb (WAVE)

[T] to ​move something in ​your ​hand in ​order to make ​people ​look at it:

flour·ish (flûr′ĭsh, flŭr′-) v. flour·ished, flour·ish·ing, flour·ish·es v.intr.

1. To grow well or luxuriantly; thrive: The crops flourished in the rich soil.
2. To do or fare well; prosper: "No village on the railroad failed to flourish" (John Kenneth Galbraith).
3. To be in a period of highest productivity, excellence, or influence: a poet who flourished in the tenth century.

Why am I not surprised....

And even more ironically, I used that word on purpose because I knew someone would try to be pedantic about it

Whatever your definition of flourish the Hivewire3D forum is definitely a lot bigger and busier than it was. Before their forum was hijacked there were only a small number of threads that were active. With the new launch, and some excellent software the forums are so active I do not have the time to follow all of the threads I would like to. The majority are far more active than the Poser forum here but then these days that is not saying a lot.

Of real interest, for me at least, is the WIP for the new figures that are due to be added to the Hivewire family and it really gives the community (perhaps I should define that here as well) the chance to have so real input.

When RDNA folded some of the forum users made their way to Hivewire and other forums, not many seem to have made their way here. As is stands at the moment I see far more happening at Hivewire I see more success than Rendo, much as I like Hivewire though, it would be nice to see Rendo at least try to compete.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

Seems like software wars are maybe a little old hat these days? We seem to be moving on to 'My community website is better that your community website'. Which is already becoming a little tiring, at least to myself.

Hivewire3D is "flourishing" that's great news. If you enjoy it there, that's even better news. I'm not really sure what the relevance in bringing it up here in the Renderosity community forum is though? Seems a little like Astroturfing. Which is what led to my sarcastic remark.

It makes me wonder is this the point someone is meant to bring up how well Daz3D are doing at the moment? ... So we can then descend into a 3 page argument about which site is "better" has more actual "traffic" or has more of a "Community" feel to it. Yawn, lets hope not.

It's funny I visit so many 3D focused and art websites and all of them have their little quirks, assets and points of difference I have never felt the need to hold one of them up as the best above all. Actually with a lot its the actual competition that makes them dynamic. Maybe one day there will be a more widespread community here in this field, that will see the benefits in building all aspects of this community up, no matter the platform or domain name. Appreciating the value in all of them, the collective value each brings to the other and most of all to the artists in this field. This ideal was part of what made Renderosity a place really worth visiting, a diverse community of digital, traditional and mixed medium artists. A gallery that featured watercolors next to photographs next to renders.

It wasn't the sameness that made it interesting it was the differences that really made it sing.

Razor42 posted at 9:08AM Mon, 18 April 2016 - #4266011

Seems like software wars are maybe a little old hat these days? We seem to be moving on to 'My community website is better that your community website'. Which is already becoming a little tiring, at least to myself.

Hivewire3D is "flourishing" that's great news. If you enjoy it there, that's even better news. I'm not really sure what the relevance in bringing it up here in the Renderosity community forum is though? Seems a little like Astroturfing. Which is what led to my sarcastic remark.

It makes me wonder is this the point someone is meant to bring up how well Daz3D are doing at the moment? ... So we can then descend into a 3 page argument about which site is "better" has more actual "traffic" or has more of a "Community" feel to it. Yawn, lets hope not.

It's funny I visit so many 3D focused and art websites and all of them have their little quirks, assets and points of difference I have never felt the need to hold one of them up as the best above all. Actually with a lot its the actual competition that makes them dynamic. Maybe one day there will be a more widespread community here in this field, that will see the benefits in building all aspects of this community up, no matter the platform or domain name. Appreciating the value in all of them, the collective value each brings to the other and most of all to the artists in this field. This ideal was part of what made Renderosity a place really worth visiting, a diverse community of digital, traditional and mixed medium artists. A gallery that featured watercolors next to photographs next to renders.

It wasn't the sameness that made it interesting it was the differences that really made it sing.

I really don't think is is a question in saying 'my community web site is better than yours' the claim was that Hivewire3d was flourishing. Now I can see how that may been seen in some light as some sort of bragging but there is another way of looking at it. Rendo used to have a thriving, helpful and interesting Poser forum here, now it doesn't, even more it was a community but that too has gone. When that happened I went looking for something to replace it and found RDNA, not only that I found some of the same forum people that had gone missing from here were there. A few years on and the RDNA community has been torn asunder and people are on the move again.

I was never that keen on the software wars and was annoyed when mis-information was used, irrespective of the software. I have yet to see software wars break out at Hivewire3D and I do regard it as a community, that said I mentioned it as a possible replacement for what has been lost here. I would be the first to acknowledge that it may be too sweetness and light for some, just as cgbytes might be the complete opposite for others. At the end of the day I really don't care who goes where as long as I know where to find those who may be able to assist when the hobby I love throws up the odd little problem.

Would I like the old Rendo Poser forum back, without a doubt, even more I wish it had never slipped from the pinnacle it once had, but it is dead a gone and not really somewhere I would suggest any newcomer should visit.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

Well said Hornet and for the most part I do agree,

I'm just not sure if many have considered the reason that Hivewire3D is actually so peaceful, is that it is relatively light in traffic (Statistically much lighter than its major competitors). It's currently more like a small circle of friends than a city full of diverse individuals with varying motives and lifestyles, though there is nothing wrong with that and may in fact be a part of its charm for many. The challenge will be maintaining that homely feel and continuing to grow into a site with a larger market presences with higher traffic flow, if that is indeed what Chris, the HIvewire3D team and its members do want for the sites future. Personally I much prefer diversity even if their is an element of disagreement from time to time.

It wasn't the statement so much that annoyed me, it just felt a little like someone dropping by the RuntimeDNA forums to make a statement to any that are still there that "Daz 3D are doing great!"

And you may not be able to see it but there is definitely a stripe of Anti Daz 3D sentiment through the Hivewire3D Community. Just have a browse through the 60 pages of the "Runtime DNA merges with DAZ 3D" thread. Page 1 quote "Daz are greedy SOB's and nothing will ever change that". There is no argument when most share the same viewpoint... Let's face it, the management of the site are not exactly putting forward an atmosphere of mutual respect between the two entities, due to their past histories.

That said I do wish nothing but success for Hivewire3D and its growing community, as I do for the other community sites in this sphere. Such as this one which is far from dead & buried as many seem to feel the need to portray. And also the best of luck to SM with the launch of the new Smith Micro Official Poser forums too.

Razor42 posted at 10:23AM Tue, 19 April 2016 - #4266146

Well said Hornet and for the most part I do agree,

I'm just not sure if many have considered the reason that Hivewire3D is actually so peaceful, is that it is relatively light in traffic (Statistically much lighter than its major competitors). It's currently more like a small circle of friends than a city full of diverse individuals with varying motives and lifestyles, though there is nothing wrong with that and may in fact be a part of its charm for many. The challenge will be maintaining that homely feel and continuing to grow into a site with a larger market presences with higher traffic flow, if that is indeed what Chris, the HIvewire3D team and its members do want for the sites future. Personally I much prefer diversity even if their is an element of disagreement from time to time.

It wasn't the statement so much that annoyed me, it just felt a little like someone dropping by the RuntimeDNA forums to make a statement to any that are still there that "Daz 3D are doing great!"

And you may not be able to see it but there is definitely a stripe of Anti Daz 3D sentiment through the Hivewire3D Community. Just have a browse through the 60 pages of the "Runtime DNA merges with DAZ 3D" thread. Page 1 quote "Daz are greedy SOB's and nothing will ever change that". There is no argument when most share the same viewpoint... Let's face it, the management of the site are not exactly putting forward an atmosphere of mutual respect between the two entities, due to their past histories.

That said I do wish nothing but success for Hivewire3D and its growing community, as I do for the other community sites in this sphere. Such as this one which is far from dead & buried as many seem to feel the need to portray. And also the best of luck to SM with the launch of the new Smith Micro Official Poser forums too.

When I said I had not seen software wars at Hivewire I must admit I had not thought of company wars which is slightly different. As you point out there was some anti Daz sentiment there but the demise of RDNA generated quite a bit in most related forums. It is clear that some people do have some resentment to Daz, rightly or wrongly, and it is hard to argue against that. I do not have a lot of love for Rendo at the moment not only because of the changes but also from having my credit card defrauded, more than once, due to a slip in their order process. OK I don't try and trash the company and I would like to see it get back to where it was but it does highlight there can be personal issues.

I don't have a great deal of time with the 'Daz is going to take over the world' conspiracies any more that I like the 'I know for a fact that Poser will be dead in two years' or 'I know exactly what happened between company A and company B fours years ago' mainly for the fact none of them do anything but upset people.

As to Hivewire, yes they are trying to keep a family feel and that will get more difficult as it gets bigger. I think Dawn is much improved but accept it is not at V4 levels or Genesis and it is Dawn and the rest of the Hivewire figures that will have the most impact on numbers drawn to the site. In many ways it is early days for Hivewire and the hacking of their forums (that wiped them out for a few months) must have put the team back a bit. Who knows where it will go but at the moment I like it and I guess with everything else going on I am happy just to enjoy it while it is as it is.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.