Hi everyone-

While I know some of you won't agree with this new freestuff policy, I still wanted to take a minute to explain:

Firstly, we amre protecting you against any malicious or spammy links that members post. It is OUR responsibility that you don't get a virus somehow on your computer. So, that's one reason.

Another is, we had instated this policy a little while back, but it was not followed through. And, so - as a team - we decided to bring this rule back because it's unfair to link to other sites. We are a free community and sharing freebies with each other from OUR site with other members is what we're all about!

If you ARE interested in promoting your website, there are tons of ways to do it. You could use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest amongst others. Google would be a GREAT tool to use. "I" have a blog and can help you - if you want to know more about promotion! You can even buy Google adwords and you could also joing our affiliate program, which is here. Please do let us know if you're interested. We'd be MORE THAN happy to help you out !

I know you may see it as 'taking away from the community,' but by linking your freebies in the forums, we're actually becoming more of a community because we're working together to show off what we've done on Renderosity.

And, as I had mentioned, we can start having challenges and contests in the Freestuff forum to make it active again! We can be a closer knit community and that's all I truly want. You may say as you'd like and can post your opinion, but just know, this is a step forward.

Thank you so much and let us know if you have any questions.

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine

I'm sorry hope. I just can't agree with this policy. I think it's not only foolhardy, but detrimental to the site. It's one thing to tell ppl what to do with their commercial items because you have control there. It's totally another to tell people what to do with their freely-given gifts. Bad form. Linking to other sites within the freestuff area is already not allowed. Why not leave it at just that? Please believe me when I tell you this is NOT going to help the site. It's not.

Laurie

LaurieA posted at 4:54PM Thu, 18 February 2016 - #4255756

I'm sorry hope. I just can't agree with this policy. I think it's not only foolhardy, but detrimental to the site. It's one thing to tell ppl what to do with their commercial items because you have control there. It's totally another to tell people what to do with their freely-given gifts. Bad form. Linking to other sites within the freestuff area is already not allowed. Why not leave it at just that? Please believe me when I tell you this is NOT going to help the site. It's not.

Laurie

I agree with Laurie on this, renderosity just crawls further down the rabbit hole, the decline in freestuff uploads is - SURPRISE, linked directly to the asinine rules that keep getting piled up. Most companies, recognise there is an issue when people start closing their accounts, site traffic falls, and ok, that's a problem that renderosity have refused to address. But the decline in freestuff, that is truly telling of the state of the site. I removed well over 200 items from freestuff because of this same line of thinking, I have been providing freestuff items for over a decade here at renderosity, and now, there will be no more because the site is being forced into decline by stupid and petty rules.

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You may say as you'd like and can post your opinion, but just know, this is a step forward...

actually, i doubt i can fully post my true opine, so i'll just line up with the rest that think this to be incredibly and blatantly ridiculous, not to mention exceptionally ignorant and counter-intuitive to the idea of community, and in particular, to an artistically inclined community such as this site as it purports itself to be...

i know few artists, or just people in general, who think of repression as being all unicorns, rainbows and whiskered kittens, with Julie Andrews off singing from some hilltop...

I am very Zen about ToU from any web community, so that's fine with me. However, I do agree that some offsite downloads could pose malware risks. Of course, caveat emptor is a good principle, even regarding freebies. But, I don't think it's really necessary for Renderosity to protect users from third-party websites risks; users should know that clicking any link to anywhere poses a risk.

Eternal Hobbyist

 

personally, i think that whole 'we are protecting you from yourself and/or the big bad boogeyman' thing is just a beard, and not even a good disguise under the best of circumstance... i know whenst i'm being 'sold' a thing...

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I'm with 3DArena.

there is a potentially positive way to look at things in terms of 'community'... a lot of us DO seem to have a lot of the same opinions about the changes here. the bad thing about it is that we are all now bonding over such a negative thing, which really isn't good or what you are trying to accomplish either, Hope... think about it...

OK I rarely forum post BUT in this case I have to agree with 3D-Arena, and i'm not agreeing for the sake of it, I know what has been said between her n I before due to my own stupidity at time. Time between rejects here and going back looking again means that 3D-Arena was right and I was wrong then.

I came to renderosity as a vendor 2 years ago, chat was brimming over, forums were busy. I'm not the most social person on site and normally pretty vocal.

OK no freebies linked to outside sites ? urm ok so why does Renderosity have an affiliate program which MY digital 2D store is a part of if disallowing this. SERIOUSLY ?

Can't rein in opinions and call it bashing either sorry but it's true, we aren't bashing and you can't protect us and certainly not me, I've my own mouth which can be pure vitriole if I need it. I'm speaking as an experienced admin with 14 yrs experience of chat rooms and forums, you can't go in with the cannons firing full of sweetness and light one second and warnings cause we have an opinion the next. You have to know the people before you can start bringing out big guns and truly know if JUST POSSIBLY they have a real life issue going on and maybe voicing an opinion here is all they have even if you feel it's bashing. I've spent hours talking people out of being arses in chats or forums and finding out the reason behind it.

And any clue how hard it is to find "non-slutwear" to texture here now when you have kids ? cos i'm telling you now it's impossible.

Put down the pompoms and get to know us, get to know how tech savvy we are and I don't mean a getting to know you board either!!!!! Paying for adwords etc isn't possible for all of us and if you knew us you'd know that much!!!!!!! And how adult we really are please. We aren't children so please don't talk down to us with the over enthusiasm it's worn thin!!!!!!

Piper

round of applause for 3DArena

It is indeed sad to see a site one has been a member of for going on 20 years go down the shitter...

PS: I clicked the language box during my edit and it's not working. Shocker.

Laurie

Giana posted at 7:38PM Thu, 18 February 2016 - #4255815

there is a potentially positive way to look at things in terms of 'community'... a lot of us DO seem to have a lot of the same opinions about the changes here. the bad thing about it is that we are all now bonding over such a negative thing, which really isn't good or what you are trying to accomplish either, Hope... think about it...

This appears to have become the norm here at 'rosity, like being under the rule of a communist government we are told what can and cannot like,, what we should and should not say, etc; while the banners are waving to cheer a dynasty that nobody particularly likes...

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and Hope? in case you've missed some of what we all seem to be discussing, it is not just the changes that you're implementing, it is the WAY in which YOU present them. you do honestly come across as some kindergarten teacher who is clapping her hands at her classroom children, trying to get them to settle down. either that, or you seem rather petulant if we do not get behind your view on things. let's face it - we all have differing opinions, and they all matter to at least one person posting them, but it is only that...

but here is more of what i wish to tell you, and it ties into Pip's post...

if you can figure out a way to get down in the muck, as it were, with the members here and learn some other way to interact with the us on this site, we do tend, after a time, to forgive and/or forget, for the most part - which means you may still have a fighting chance with truly earning our respect and other important things, such as your stated goal with wanting to actually form/give a sense of community to this place. i, myself, am not sure how to go about such a thing in a way that works for you, but it would possibly serve you much better if you can figure it out...

i think what may also help you is to stop seeing things in black & white - a nice mix, some swathes of grey, are always required in dealing with reality. just because i do not agree with you on a thing at any given time does not mean i'm required to, nor is it any big deal - it just is... extreme reactions to things only serves to potentially create more extreme reactions, so everything feeds off itself and thus we find ourselves having unnecessary drama over things that could've been avoided by using a little aforethought...

I'm not sure I have anything to add that hasn't already been said, but feel the need to say something.

I can't even remember when I joined, but it's been a long time. I used to check the forums and MP at least a handful of times a day when I could. Now I just check once a day or so when waiting for a render to finish. I rarely spend money here anymore and only spend any because for now, Renderosity still has a few of my favorite vendors selling exclusively here. If you're paying attention to the "community" that may be changing very soon.

A reasonable person would take notice when artists, customers, and vendors leave and make the necessary changes to bring them back. Not push them away even more.

To be honest, what is missing from this community is a cheerleader. Someone who encourages you for the positive work you do, someone who WANTS to see you guys succeed and someone who isn't afraid to make changes from time-to-time. In the past, things should have been different and I get that it will take a bit more time for you guys to respect me as an authority figure and I do get it. BUT - I'm smarter than you guys think in that, I'm trying to think of both the business as well as the community members. But... there are sooo many of you, that's it's not always possible to have one-on-one conversations with you. Would I like to? Absolutely. Do I strive to? Absolutely.

I've had several interactions with Pip. And... Pip, you and I have had some communication issues, but I respect you and would like to think you respect me as well. No, I don't know you guys, but at the same time, you don't know me either. You don't know the type of person I am. I am a sweet, genuine, caring and VERY understanding person. You don't know where I've come from, just like I don't know where you've come from.

Guys - my main goal is to bring back the SENSE of community and I know it won't happen right away. And, I know that when someone pulls the plug on something, it seems rather overwhelming. When you're sooo used to one thing and it changes, it can be hard. And, I KNOW firsthand that change is VERY hard. But, as humans, we must learn and adapt to the changes being made around us.

This has nothing to do with my age. I get that you guys have been around for a long time and I have only been in this position for 8 months. I fully understand that and fully get your hesitation. We WON'T agree on everything and that's fine. Life would be boring if everyone agreed with one another. I'm not asking you to 'shut your mouth' - as some of you note - and agree with my changes. It will be hard to take them in, but please understand this : I am REALLY and TRULY doing what's best for you guys. Maybe you don't see it that way and heck, maybe you never will and that's fine. All I'm asking from YOU is to respect me. I respect ALL of you as artists as well as human beings and I LOVE being here. I want to make a difference in this community, But, it's also a two-way street. You have to help me and understand why this is happening.

I don't want to be the 'bad guy' and take things away. I'm just trying to grow/help the business. Maybe you'll claim that I care more about the business than you and you're way wrong about that. If you think that, you do not know me whatsoever! If you've EVER had a one-on-one conversation with me, you'd see I'm an understanding person.

So.. to wrap this all up - I'm not censoring anyone nor am I asking you to agree with me. I'm simply asking for respect and I also need to earn it from you guys as well and I plan on doing just that!

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine

specifically with regard to the freestuff issue can be found here, Brandy:

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2899703

so in other words. you took NONE of out complaints in. at all.

its your way or nothing it seem's. and no hope, we are not "way wrong about that"... I was dealing with customers when you were in diapers. and If I talked down to them the way you are to us right now, I would have been unemployed. now please tell me who your superior is in the company to where we can direct offical complaints about you. and don't try telling us there is'nt one, yes, there is, no company would let someone lose without a manager.

"I am REALLY and TRULY doing what's best for you guys..."

i'm curious what you use/are using to determine such a thing? and i'm being quite sincere with my curiousity...

for me, again, t'is not quite the changes that are being implemented, though some of it is, that troubles me, personally... it has much to do with the presentation. and i honestly do hope you're smarter than we might come across as thinking you are - i'm an optimistic pessimist, so i love to be proved wrong and will champion that if it occurs :))

I'm done wasting my breath. If you don't think that those of use who have been around the whole time know what we liked about the community and what we hate (and we are TELLING you) then it serves no purpose for me or anyone else to say anything more. May you be happy on your empty site and cheer in your empty forums. Someday maybe you'll GET that what you want is people who are HAPPY to be here, not grumblers who grumbled until even they too have left.

Laurie

If I've come across as a "kindergarten teacher," I apologize. It's not my intent to "talk down upon anyone." I understand your concerns and always keep them into consideration when deciding something. But, you must know that some of these rules WERE implemented before my time, but now, since we're making changes, I've decided to bring them back.

And, again, age has nothing to do with it. It's all about experience. You don't know my background just as much as I don't know yours. I'm trying to get a better understanding about all of you. It will take me more time to do that.

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine

So tell us what "experience" ya has in lieu of age, then.

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and your superior is? this is not going away.

as to your experience, I go by what I'm seeing here with your dealing with us. think on that. you've gotten more complaints aimed at you than I've ever seen in the 16 years I've been on this site!

We are trying to find respect and as you say we don't know you Hope, questions were asked of you in a thread about what software you use but you didn't deign the people with an answer.

How do we know you if you don't let people in and start bringing in rules that can bung up the affiliate program etc. You do this for viruses so the thread says ? erm my antivirus warns me if a site is under warning. We all have safety features in our browsers and computers. Common sense also works on our parts. Yes I know WHY some of these rules were brought in I was one of ones spoofed in the chat room. I walked out of the chat room to save an argument with the "leathcheann" or "ballache" in my language. I tried very hard not to rise to someone spoofing my name.

Respect breeds respect! If members can't know you then how do you get members to respect you, yes I'm lucky I have had several interactions with you. Others haven't. I can see both sides of story but i'm also at side now of I don't agree with what is going on.

I'm a little fish here, a girl in a wheelchair who sells to afford another outfit to render with and texture, I found my true love here as you know and marrying him later this year. I don't have extra cash to spare, i don't make a load of money, if i make enough for one more outfit i'm happy.

What you need to remember is Renderosity for the likes of me who is housebound isn't just about art, it's about friendship, it's about family, it's about the love we all share, a common goal but right now we've lost a lot of that.

Please Hope step back and think, members here range from 16 or 18 upwards some I know are 70 and upwards. This would confuse my mother at her advanced years let alone the younger ones. Too much is being brought in and changed all at once it's hard to keep up and understand

Hugs

Piper

ok hope. some advice if you want to get to know us, when talking to us, don't end every sentence with ! it's not professional or cool. you look like a 12 year old trying to hard.

lets see if this can be a start.

Hope, i have read your bio, several times in fact, since you emerged onto the site, so in that, i have at least a very very tiny grain of knowledge as to your background...

what it comes down to in many ways is earning trust and respect, and yes, you're correct, it will take time, as you say. but in the interim, you've a lot of work, and thinking, to do in regards to becoming a leader and not just a manager of things... i've a feeling, at least at this juncture, you've a steep hill to climb, unless you're really great at solving puzzles, and in particular to this case, the puzzle of the people you are serving... i do understand that you've two separate task masters to attend to - the one that signs your paycheck, and the other, and maybe more lethal one that is us, the dregs of the remaining community, and you seriously need to figure a way that balances all of it in a way that isn't just good for YOU... we can, and sometimes do, eat our young here at this site... just sayin'...

a degree in pyschology, as opposed to journalism, would've served you well here, i think ;)

I'm not very vocal on the forums, or at all for that matter, but I'm sorry, I totally agree with 3D-Arena as well.

PAY for advertisement for FREE products?! cough huh? No, no no....

One thing that I seriously want to point out, as it's somewhat related...and I'll try my best to explain..

If we can no longer place links along with our freebies to external sites that "may" contain stores, then why, and HOW, is it ok for Rendo to place similar links all over the site to external stores? Because Rendo, or the ad owners, are paying for the ads? How does that make an ounce of difference? Just the other day I received a Renderosity email with a product which was on sale. It was a huge resource pack. And being a resource junkie, I decided to take a look at it. I clicked the link in the Renderosity email, and it took me to an EXTERNAL website! I was completely baffled. Do as I say, not as I do?? Really?

I've been with Renderosity since 2004. And I have never been so disappointed, and disgusted, with changes as I have seen the last year or so. Sure some have been "ok", but for the most part, they have not been changes for "the greater good". Complete opposite, actually.

Far to many changes have been going on over the years, and it's sad to see that so many vendors, and customers, are walking away, and yet Rendo turns a blind eye and does nothing to change this, except make more ridiculously radical changes that just drive an even larger wedge throughout the whole community. :-(

Hindsight, and all that, guys.....

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Sadly, it doesn't matter when rules were implemented. You are the one who will be remembered for them Hope. I have nothing against you personally,as you so rightly point out, we don't know you. However, first impressions count. So far, the rules that have been introduced since your arrival,have done nothing to endear you to a community that is shrinking by the day.

We have expressed our concerns only to be told we don't matter.I have been a content creator for a long time, and I am telling you, your new rules will drive even more people away. Of course over the long term, people who didn't know this place a it was will be accepting of its rainbows and light attitude which you seem intent on introducing no matter the cost.

Yes there are benefits, the trolls are now quieter, good job there, but the site is becoming a fascist heaven.

Locked Out

yes I remember the rule. I also remember the backlash by the users and how the admin of the time stepped back and did'nt implement it. I think they realised the problems.

Please accept my following points as insight to the current mood about Hope. I have been on Renderosity since 2003 and became even more active when I became a coordinator then a moderator for the site so like many of you I have been here for a long time. I recognize many of your names and know of your talents and your participation with in the community. I have had many numerous dealings with Hope and we have not always agreed on everything but she has never been closed minded and has always been willing to hear out an opposing view. I have read many of the post here concerning the new Freestuff policy and fully understand all the views currently presented. But to vocalize criticism based on her age or different style and persona are not fair to her or what she is trying to do for Renderosity. We all at one time or another have hated change but let’s try and give change a chance. The positive outcomes might not be immediate to see but they might become just the ticket to grow and solidify an already strong and creative community we have here. So take a chance talk to Hope by site mail and or E-mail and you will find her willing to hear you out and will be very open to hearing suggestions and ideas.

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not in my experience at all Lobo. I found her to be exactly the same where ever we've spoken. and thats been here, in chat and in PM. I ahve made my views clear and I stand by my request to know who her superior is in the site / company.

Personally, it's not at all about Hope, for me. It's the all encompassing thing that is Renderosity.

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Khai-J-Bach posted at 4:14PM Thu, 18 February 2016 - #4255855

not in my experience at all Lobo. I found her to be exactly the same where ever we've spoken. and thats been here, in chat and in PM. I ahve made my views clear and I stand by my request to know who her superior is in the site / company.

Hello Khai-J-Bach

I am not privy to any interactions you have had with Hope and sometimes personalities will clash as to who her direct superior is that is something she will have to contact you about since on that business end is not within the scope of what I do on the site

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Where did 3D-Arena's post go, Hope?

stands & ovates 3DA again

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Hope, it wasn't your age that was a concern for me. It's the way you come across...passive/aggressive kind of with an "it's my way or the highway" attitude an no listening to the good folks who have been here almost as long as you've been...on the earth. LOL. A lot of us, like Pip has said are housebound, including myself. The computer is our window to the world as it were and Rendo is where we hang out and gossip, make stuff, trade pleasantries. However, it's fast becoming a place a lot of us don't want to come to and I don't think you want that. For every one of us that is very vocal about it, there's probably 10 that won't utter a word but will just quietly leave. And that's not a community - it's an exodus.

Laurie

This forum is BORKED! Posts are disappearin'... better get a tech on it quick like, Hope.

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I'm trying to think of both the business as well as the community members.

Can you try to elaborate in which way this will benefit the members? It have already been pointed out that its not your responsibility to whether people get a virus but clicking a link on your site that take them to another site. You have no way of removing links faster than a person wanting to post such link can post them. so if you mean that you are responsible and after applying this rule, someone gets a virus through a link that you didn't remove in time, will you then pay a compensation or what type of responsibility are you referring to? its absurd, So removing that part of the benefit. What effect are you aiming at for the people creating the freebies, as they have already stated that they are not interested in the "deal" that you are offering, which is perfectly understandable as its pretty much a one way deal. Contests with freebies will be quite difficult if there ain't any. So what are you offering those making freebies, that are so beneficial for them, that they should add all there stuff here and close there own sites?

What benefits do you aim for with Renderosity as business? You have vendors, customers and even forum moderators saying this is a bad idea. Freebies doesn't make you money directly, it make a stronger community under one condition, that those that make them post them here, even if this is only links to other sites, it have value for you, as you have gathered them and its quicker for people looking for freebies to go through a sorted and maintained list and thereby visit your website. Freebies them self wont converted directly to money, except through them driving traffic to your site with a chance of these visitors grabbing a few products a long the way, but this rule does exactly the opposite of that, because you are driving away those posting the freebies, so its bad for business as well. The vendors should be the ones supporting this idea, if ANY, but i doubt you will see any of us give you a thumb up for this idea, its so counter productive for the community as a whole.

Also people don't need someone to cheer them on, if things are bad and people are unhappy the only way to solve it is to listen to the community and fix the issues that they are requesting rather then spending time on stuff, that everyone clearly agree on is a terrible idea. It makes no different if this is an old idea that just weren't rolled out or not, it was just as bad an idea back then as it is now. So just because you haven't followed up on it, doesn't mean you have to implement it at all costs.

If you really stand firm on this being a great idea, then please elaborate on why this is good for both business and the community, because it seems like no one shares your view on this? You ask for people to trust you, and the only way I think you can convinced anyone about this, is if the plan make sense, its not a matter of just wait and see, because if you roll out this rule you will ruin your freebie section. And agree with 3D-Arena that you might as well close it then.

Please remove my freebies (second post)

edit never mind I did it myself

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Yeah I just noticed that too.... Not very professional to delete posts. Does not inspire confidence at all. :-(

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https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2898950&#msg4255385

Here's an example of what I mean....if that paragraph wasn't a thinly veiled "F*ck you and the horse you rode in on" and "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", I don't know what is ;). It's things like that that turn me off to the current administration ;).

Laurie

<Copied from another thread - it seems more appropriate here>

A long time ago I used to post here. I started several threads, and many ran to dozens of pages, tens of thousands of views and hundreds, sometimes thousands of replies. People were excited by those threads, and came here every day to keep up with them. That was in the days of a proper community.

They were threads about EZMat, EZSkin, Pose2Lux, Subdivision in Poser, EZMetals et al. Hope, you probably don't know much about those projects, not being an actual community member yourself, but take it from me that they were quite popular among Poser users.

And what did they all have in common? They were all threads about freebies available offsite, with links to them.

Others used to create similarly popular threads: the Antonia thread, the Luxpose thread etc. And guess what? they were all about freebies available offsite too.

It used to work like this:

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to read more about it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to ask for help with it.

People fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to make suggestions for enhancements to it.

People would go and fetch the freebie offsite, then RETURN TO RENDEROSITY to buy products to use with the freebie.

Read that again. It's important. IT'S WHAT MADE THIS A COMMUNITY. People were excited about the forums, excited about Renderosity.

Not only are the originators of those threads no longer active here, but none of those threads would be possible now. With the new dumbass rules they would each have been locked on the very first day - every single one of them.

Nobody here has a clue about what makes the community tick, so they just make up rules instead. It would be funny if it wasn't such a joke.

Still, instead of genuine understanding we have the fake smiles and cheesy cheerleading instead. That's got to count for something, doesn't it?

Jeez.

Malysse, who once used to post as Snarlygribbly

So, we've lost Bagginsbill and now Snarlygribbly...this makes me exceptionally angry. Really. Probably two of the largest contributors in the Poser forum. Gone. And for what? Stupidity.

Laurie

I personally think the new policy is a good idea, because it will lessen the likelihood of getting viruses, etc.

But my opinion is not really the issue here, it's the shoot-the-messenger mentality that seems to be pervading this thread. I'm not privy to the process Admins use for making new rules, but I'm sure Hope didn't make the rule by herself, but it's her job to announce it. I don't think it's proper to attack her repeatedly over something that's not her fault.

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Then you missed the post where she said it was her decision ...

Well done for scraping the bottom of the barrel with the viruses thing though :-)

I give up, see you guys elsewhere take care x

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Well Penny, when the messenger tells us "Eat it, you'll like it", seemingly making NO effort at explaination or being a go-between between her bosses & us lowly peasants, then resorts to censorship... yeah. Shit, meet fan. Fan... shit.

And this isn't a first, either. Some of us have kinda grown to expect it.

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I personally think the new policy is a good idea, because it will lessen the likelihood of getting viruses, etc.

Have this been a huge problem? just wondering since if it were it seems strange why you haven't rolled out this rule once you noticed the virus problem. Im not really sure its a good argument or even method for fighting viruses.

Here is a suggestion against viruses:

AVG free virus protection

Avast free virus protection

Both of them are very good. Use avast my self. :D

@ Amaranth : You are able to remove your free stuff yourself if I recall correct ..

"You may say as you'd like and can post your opinion, but just know, this is a step forward."

I'm sorry, but where have all the opinions gone? I really hope you all fix this mess you're in before there's no "community" left here.

I brought this rules silliness to those higher up who might change it and it has been woefully ignored. This is not about whats "fair" . Your community tells you this is something we have always done and lists out its benefits and yet you insist you are doing this to protect us and for the greater good. This is not the case. You are doing this without listening or taking into account what your COMMUNITY says. You can't lead a community if you are not willing to come down here with the rest of us and be part of it. You can not shove your beliefs down the throats of others no matter how much you say you are protecting us , and no matter how many !!! points are added or how enthusiastic you are some decisions , no matter how much you cheerlead them...are still bad decisions. I have been here 13 years , I am watching a sad decline in a community I once loved because the people who are in charge refuse to listen to the people who keep the doors open , THE MEMBERS.

Crap! They're on to my scheme of embedding viruses in my fractal obj files!!

Now I'll have to figure out how to embed viruses in images and upload them so everyone who views the image will lose all data on their hard drives!

Nyah-Ha-Ha-Ha! * Twirls handlebar mustachio * [/sarcasm]

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OK seriously, I have no problem with whatever rules they want to apply here. If they become too annoying, I'll just go away. Maybe state my reasons first and see if anyone cares, but having run a lot of forums myself - I know full well that rule changes are inevitable, as is negativity resulting from them.

But it's life and we all move on.

I did take issue with my free fractal obj files thread being locked, but not because of the rule taking effect - I was put off by the fact that whatever moderator locked it did so with no post of any kind explaining why, not even a sitemail or an email. It is a Rule for moderators at every site I have ever worked that taking actions that directly effect a user Require those actions be explained at the time they are taken.

Not later, after complaints are made and questions are asked in pointed ways.

Ya wanna tip from a recent rule change over at Fractalforums.com? (yup - Shameless self promotion!) (I do help run that place)

Our gallery was getting spammed by a few users posting literally dozens of images at once and monopolizing the recent posts area. We restricted the Gallery uploads to One Per Member Per Day. We knew this would cause an uproar, and we also knew that merely posting an "Announcement" was grossly insufficient to be sure people knew what we were doing.

So we set it up that on their next visit every member would be greeted with a message telling them that they had to read the post linked to before they could do anything else on the site.

That way at least nobody could get caught off guard (like I was when visiting here to find locked threads with no explanation).

I read in this thread that posts are disappearing. Sad, but necessary sometimes. I trust the members whose posts were removed were informed. If not, this is not the sort of place I want to be. If so, at least people are doing their job.

I sort of understand the not linking to outside sites, but claiming it is anything other than a Business decision to avoid promoting other sites is an insult.

Has ANYBODY ever gotten a virus from a free 3D File posted here, or at ShareCG, or even at the DAZ Forums Freepozitory?

If so, I will be the first to apologize and support this action. Otherwise I stand by my belief that it is a money making decision and the stated reason of Virus Protection is a smokescreen designed to hide the true intentions of The Man Behind The Curtain.

That brings up a good point - is even ShareCG banned from being a host for free stuff? If so, that surely invalidates your virus excuse since they screen everything. Feed your ego all you want. It's your site to do with as you please. But things that are perceived as insulting really should be avoided.

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it will lessen the likelihood of getting viruses, etc.

I thought every free stuff uploaded went through screening before actualy approval and going live.. ?!

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As a communication manager you are never 'just' the messenger .. If a business message is brought you have to stay included working with the feedback .. Not just drop a message and stay quiet .. But keep on leading the discussion with and for the clients .. Specially when it starts getting hot a communication manager needs to keep communicating till all cools down .. Hot or not it's part of the job ..

Yeah, viruses have been such a huge problem I've never even heard about it.

Laurie

Guys - my main goal is to bring back the SENSE of community Well, this does the polar opposite. We keep saying this and you don't listen. One of the major reasons being that we can no longer help people find add-ons or freebies that they are looking for on the forums. And claiming that we can just give instructions does NOT cut it, because sometimes, the downloads cannot be found on a search engine, and some of us don't use Facebook, have blogs, etc.
Do you not understand how INCREDIBLY self-destructive this rule is? Right now, Rendo is the ONLY commercial Poser site who is banning offsite links. Your competition does not do this. It doesn't matter if Rendo or any other site did this in the past-- remember what happened to America Online, whose business failed because they refused to adapt to the competition, which offered increasingly better deals. Allowing off-site links in the past has ZERO to do with why Rendo is struggling. Renderosity is struggling because of the following things, which sadly are mostly out of your control (unless TPtB listen to you, sadly)

--Horrible site design to this day, site is slow to load even with a fast internet connection-- something that not everyone has to this day.

--Paltry sales which do not come anywhere close to matching those of competing sites (people have complained about this countless times) One of the keys to a successful business is looking at your competition, and trying to match it. Daz, RDNA, and Hivewire are all out competing you in deals.

--Prime is a shadow of its former self due to the new policy of no longer giving vendors 100% royalties for prime product purchases. The result is that non-backlog Prime products cost more than they used to, some as much as 10 dollars. Platinum Club is now several times better than Prime-- in the past, some people considered Prime to be as good or superior to Platinum Club.

These ones below are immutable because they are in the past. Any claims from you, me, or anyone else that these are unfair is completely irrelevant, because the fact is that they hurt consumer confidence and drove Freebie makers away-- whether they are being fair or not to do so does not change this fact.

--Loss of consumer confidence due to the credit hacking incident and failure of the staff to believe the customers.

--Loss of consumer confidence due to 2-3 years of disastrous site redesigns.

--The ridiculous gallery rules that rolled out during the last site redesign. This drove some of the freebie makers away. While the policy was changed a couple weeks later, the damage was already done.

--Took a long time for all of the previous gallery features to return-- some were only brought back a few weeks ago.

OK well reading the feedback from staff, it seems like i've only one option left, since this is to save us from viruses, then it looks like i have to cancel my internet, inform my online university I'm quitting because Renderosity is scared I get a virus.

Got the gist of this yet "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU GO ON THE INTERNET, MESSENGER, WEB PAGE ETC, WE RUN THE RISK OF A VIRUS ON OUR PC'S EVERY DAY"

I'm sorry but i'm taking a sabbatical from stupidity, sheesh Common sense has died

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I do fail to see how isolation will make this community closer. It would be different if we had no place else to go. But we do and many will leave. The thing is as Maylasse said, we leave to get something, and then we come back, but we don't always come back alone. As we are introduced to new sites and communities, we make new acquaintances and either invite them back or point them in this direction for help or products. But now, if we never see the links, we won't go there and meet those people.

I saw a claim that other sites are doing this too. The main forums I frequent have a forum just for linking to offsite freebies. There have been mods in the past that have said this forum was for that.

As for viruses, I have no more guarantee that the freebies I download here are any safer than at viruses-r-us (forgive me if that's a real site it's meant to be tongue in cheek). I see nothing when I download or upload a product that indicates it's been scanned by antivirus software. So I have to assume it's not. Most people know to scan stuff when they download it. If you're worried about liability, put a warning at the top of the forum stating you are not liable for things downloaded from other sites right under where it says "Forum news, updates, events, and other items of interest to members. Also may be used to post notices or questions to the forum team.."

And protecting us from spamming? How will this help? spammers don't care about the rules. As others have said they can create them as fast as you can take them down. I was in the chat when the troll was there. He was creating new identities faster than you could ban the old ones. I get that there are only so many of you all working to help us and can't be everywhere at once. I don't think this is the solution because you can't be everywhere at once to enforce it.

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It's the Users own responsibility to keep his/her machine safe not Renderosity's that is what AV's Firewalls and Malware apps are for plus the experience of the User theirselves in dealing with Online nastiness, I trust myself to take care of these things way more than Renderosity or any other site so That reason doesn't hold water.

As far as advertising Freebies on FaceBook, Twitter or Google believe it or not there are many of us that will not go near those places for any reason, I do Art I go to Art Sites I don't play the Social Media BS Game, I do the Digital Art game.

I was a Moderator here for quite a while and Quit when I saw the Social Media "Revolution" coming full speed at Renderosity and it started with the "Cheerleader" type of thing and the Idea that as Staff we need to get with the Social Media mindset, That is just not going to happen not for me. There is nothing wrong with being Pumped about what you're doing and wanting others to be Pumped too but it can't or at least shouldn't be forced on others like the FaceBook, Google thing is, they are not the end all be all of Digital Art they are the Bane of it IMO. Renderosity has to face the fact they are not the ONLY Art site nor the Best, they are one of many and when one Dumps on us we will go elsewhere. I totally agree linking to other sites Marketplaces for content especially content available here is a bad thing but Freebies take nothing from nobody. It just seems to me things are getting a bit too proprietary here, other Sites exist and everyone knows it and basically being told not to acknowledge them isn't going to make them Go Away.

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Hello all -

Please do not shoot me, I have come here to give my opinion about a few things.

I have been here for a total of 7 years now and yes, I was gone for about a year for some reasons and then came back.

This has always been and will always be my love and home.

I would like to say that Hope did explain why there would not be anymore off site linking, through the entire site as well as the Freebie area.

We all are really trying to make some changes to the site in the Community as well as the Marketplace and promote RENDEROSITY as best as we can and keep as many members here at Renderosity rather than send them to another site which is why we changed the offsite linking. It was this way before I took a break.

I am also unsure why vendors put their Freebies at other places as we do not limit the amount of Freebies one can post daily so I would think/Hope they would put all of them here for our members to get use of them.

I am very sorry if you all do not agree with the direction we are trying to move in and while I can understand why some of you feel the way you do, I wish you wouldn't attack someone's character.

Ladyelf, Hope did not delete anyone's comments so please, do not assume because there are 5 others here at Renderosity who may have done so.

I am here to listen as always, I just ask you all to please not judge so harshly and assume things are a certain way as things are not always as they seem.

The "silly little contests" as someone put are her trying to get some participation up in the Community and I am happy she keeps trying

I care about all of you and while I know change can be hard sometimes, please give it a shot.

Thank you to all of you who contribute and have a wonderful day!

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BTW, just a request, but could anyone here who decides to pull their freebies please give us an 8 hour courtesy forewarning first so that we have a chance to DL them before they're gone? This request does not apply to those whose downloads redirect to ShareCG, though.

Kristi, I did not assume anything. I simply asked her where they were. I'm sure she knew. Please do not presume that I was assuming. I have been around the block here long enough to know that when things like this happen more then one person starts to get involved. I am not without admin experience myself nor am I without knowledge of what it takes to build a site and maintain happiness for it's membership.

I know what my choices are then. I always liked you Kristi, and i know ya have to tow the company line, but I'm not putting my freebies here and if I can't even share them here, there's nothing for me here since that's what I do...make freebies. And just so you guys know for sure, it's not just the ban on freebie links...it's everything together. I'm just tired of it all and I don't even like the place anymore, even tho it used to be a whole lot of fun once.

Laurie

The other reason I agree is because my 17 year old son downloads freebies from here and has gotten a virus on his system from a link one day...not good at all.

Well, that explains it. I was actually wondering if there was an incident. I am sorry that this happened to him, but it should not dictate Renderosity's direction. These things happen. Most if not every other 3D Poser site has a disclaimer that you enter an external link at your own risk. There are free antivirus programs (esp. Malwarebites) which can prevent most of these cases. Make sure he remembers to reactivate them after playing or downloading games (some free game software is prevented from running by antivirus software) There are free browser security add-ons, as well, at the Google Chrome Apps place and Mozilla add-ons site. You can also use a firewall, though it's a pain in the butt and has a learning curve.

I am now putting money in some other vendor's pocket instead of a vendor here at Renderosity.

So? See my previous post about the competition. TPtB of this site (I am referring not to the admins of the forum, but the webmasters) need to clean up their act and make the Renderosity Marketplace competitive again. That way, this will result in more people uploading freebies and participating in the community, here, which brings customers and site traffic from those who do neither of those things. Right now people are spending at other stores because they offer more-- better deals, and NOW, a far better community, which allows people to post links to off-site freebies and tutorials. I suspect that perhaps a feeling of helplessness over the PtB's decisions for the site and marketplace might be causing you guys to try and fix it in the only way you can, but these efforts are making things worse.

I am also unsure why vendors put their Freebies at other places as we do not limit the amount of Freebies one can post daily so I would think/Hope they would put all of them here for our members to get use of them.

Some people don't like the fact that you have a "must be Winzipped" rule. ShareCG allows rars, 7z's, and non-compressed downloads. That is just one reason.
And I can't remember, but doesn't Rendo have an upload size limit. thus forcing people with large files to split them into multiple downloads? I can't recall for certain, but that would be reason number 2.
Number three is that some people have personal websites that include their downloads as well as a blog and/or tutorials, which they may want to direct traffic to. Number four is that some people use Sharefile, Dropfile, etc. to upload their links. This saves them the time of uploading their freebies to multiple sites such as their blog, someone else's freebie site, the Daz Forums, and Renderosity, for example. Number five is that some people have a personal marketplace website E.g. Pretty3D's Artraiders, and may want to direct traffic to it. This is almost entirely a thing of the distant past, of course, since it is no longer lucrative to do this, so people almost never do, anymore.

QUOTE Say there is a Freebie I like so I click on it, it take me to Daz or another store, I then go one step further and start looking in the Marketplace for something else to go with what I downloaded. I find a nice product that is $15.00 so I buy it.

This would be valid if most of the things sold or given for free here were not dependant on products from other companies...like Daz 3D. If they are here buying your content they already know about Daz 3D. The majority of content here is for Victoria 4 and up. None of these products were produced or released by Renderosity , and without them this marketplace would have little to nothing in it. Original models are not your bread and butter , Add-ons are. Cutting out the places who create the bases which people make add-ons for and sell here or give for free is not a wise move.

@4255921 .. exactly ..!!

Just a quick point about the store ...I have been a return customer here for 13 years and a vendor for some of that. The store in itself has seen a huge drop in the quality of products offered here and I have not found myself getting render rewards for ages , because there is a LOT of stuff but there is not a LOT of good stuff. I buy from a choice few vendors here and most of them I must admit have begun selling elsewhere as well. Quality is important , Quantity is only a plus if the products you offer are indeed quality products. Promo standards and overall quality control seem to be slipping , instead of cutting links to other stores or free things for fear of losing sales I would suggest stepping up your own content and providing well priced Quality merchandise that isn't drowned out by a sea of sub-par products. In the long run , it is this problem and not offsite links that is costing you the business you desire. I shop elsewhere because I get more quality for my money at other sites and I return to them because they are consistent in quality I have come to know and expect as a customer.

P3D you are one of the Vendors here who's quality I support and enjoy !

Since I am one of the persons involved in testing and screening the items that get posted to Freestuff and why I feel this new policy is actually to our benefit let me say this. Even thou one comment is that we are doing this is because of virus well that is not the only reason. In other post else where on the site there have been complaints by members of items being posted to the Freestuff area with links to offsite locations that promote porn and one contributor to Freestuff his offsite link leads to a site with questionable and very suggestive child images that I am sure would make 99% of our members head turn. Many of these accounts have been warned or removed. The new policy will greatly help prevent this as well. I am not sure why this has angered so many since other sites have more Draconian rules. I still feel we have the most user friendly TOS than most sites if not I would not be contributing my free time to help out in the forums here. So please consider that the changes being made are not to discourage you from contributing but make you feel like we are trying to look out for your best interest as well.

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It's not just the freebies. That's just the last straw for a lot of people.

I am not sure why this has angered so many since other sites have more Draconian rules.

Uh, no, they do not. Daz for instance allows (unless they since changed that) offsite links to pornographic sites so long as a NSFW warning is given, Hivewire, Daz, and RDNA all allow links to external sites with and without marketplaces so long as the MP page is not linked to directly. Links to external site tutorials are also allowed-- the prohibition of linking to offsite tutorials is going to be a major killer of this forum and this site. The suggestion of giving instructions to a link is ludicrous because some freebies are hosted on dropbox and skydrive, which cannot be found via Google/Bing/etc, while others are only available through the Internet Wayback Machine.

**Say there is a Freebie I like so I click on it, it take me to Daz or another store, I then go one step further and start looking in the Marketplace for something else to go with what I downloaded. I find a nice product that is $15.00 so I buy it.

I am now putting money in some other vendor's pocket instead of a vendor here at Renderosity.**

I don't think anyone doubt that you at Renderosity want to do what you think is best for the site and that you are friendly people etc. What people are complaining about is the rules you want to apply, because they are so absurd that they make no sense. Its seems like you are trying a strategy that if you can create a dome around Renderosity then the members will be unable to see whats going on, on the outside. Like people wont go to these other sites regardless of whether you link to them or not? Like the knowledge of these places will magically disappear when you remove the links to them. Im sorry, but for one that have worked with computers my whole life and have a degree in advanced computer science and media science its like you are completely out of touch with how people use the internet. How on earth will you justify that, upsetting most of your community for something that is most likely not even close to having any positive effect on your income, and most likely it will have the exact opposite effect as i have already pointed out.

What do you expect will happen when people stop posting freebies here and instead post them on Daz3d? How much time do you think it will take for people looking for freebies to skip Renderosity all together and just go straight to one of the other site? Then you wont even have a chance of getting those 15$. Im honestly shocked, I have seen poor online marketing strategies and even been forced to apply some my self, but those doesn't even come close to what you are about to do here and i would be extremely surprised if you have a webmaster or online marketing advisor that he/she would agreed with this strategy as being good. I mean you gain absolutely nothing out of this, except your own believe that all of Renderosity members see the site as if its some sort of big happy family. Its an illusion,

And as someone already stated you can not let personal or a very few incidents with people getting a virus dictate your whole linking strategy, there are companies making a living out of getting rid of virus, please leave that to them. Besides that, you still allow people to link to none competitive sites, so what if people get a virus from one of those? Ain't you responsable for those as well or do you have some "special" technology so you know that the virus threat is somehow only isolated to the freebies section? If that's the case you should develope virus protection instead, because im pretty sure you have a very unique knowledge then, that none of the other companies will be able to replicate. I hope you see how out of touch this sounds and that you argument for why this will increase the protection for your members are completely from another world.

@ Lobo3433 .. then isn't it for the testers to actualy test first where the link is going and decline those freebies and not approve in the first place .. instead of totally ban all external links ..?!

Just to add my own opinion,

FIrstly I really wonder what 3Darena said that everyone so clearly agreed with? That later seems to have been removed by someone quite mysteriously.

I can not reasonably see any positive outcomes for either the community or Renderosity's business goals in this change to the freebies policy.

I removed my freebies here a number of months ago when the direction began heading to being more of a donation of free content to Renderosity to be used sheerly for Renderosity's own benefit only. eg Renderosity ad revenue, site traffic generation, and general market flow through.

This additional change basically solidifies a system where you will only see freebies from Vendors here. As any shared reward in the freebie has been completely nullified. I make the freebie "GIVE" it to Renderosity. They enjoy the reward while the actual creator receives very little unless they are a vendor here. The freebies forum here will also become rather irrelevant to the greater community as many other sites provide freebie forums that do allow linking to Rendo freebies and in fact any legal freebie around the web. The change would restrict the Freebie forum here to a keyhole view of the Freebie content available as a whole on the net (Only onsite freebies).

I still don't understand how a site that sells content that depends on other external 3rd party content can believe building walls around their own site it is in their own best interest. Go on buy that G3F little black dress that requires A a 3rd party software Application that requires registration at a 3rd party site. B Also requires a 3rd party figure that needs to be downloaded from a 3rd party store front. But we hope you will only spend here in the future. People will choose in this industry to spend their hard earned money on any product in any store that they want for their creative pursuits. It's impossible to pin them down unless you have a closed market such is in 3D Game consoles.

I do understand that all of the admins do want the best for this site, though I do wonder how they assess the impact of some of these changes to the actual community who do pursue 3D art themselves as a hobby and are not just in it for the revenue stream. As it seems a lot of these decisions are made entirely in a vacuum and impacts that immediately present to myself are entirely missed in the justification of the change.

Also there is no liability for Renderosity in the aspect of potential malware exposure from links as the current TOS covers that and has for as long as I can remember.

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I am so sad to think of what this site has become, that a brilliant post is removed.

OK, I read 3D-Arena's comments, and visited her store earlier in the day. I found it honest and not out of line. Did you seriously ban a respected vendor and delete her store for simply disagreeing with you? Really?

P3D-Art posted at 9:45PM Thu, 18 February 2016 - #4255934

@ Lobo3433 .. then isn't it for the testers to actualy test first where the link is going and decline those freebies and not approve in the first place .. instead of totally ban all external links ..?!

The testers are to make sure the download that are posted to the Renderosity site are with in compliance to the TOS items posted on other sites are not part of our what we are required to do. Please remember we are volunteers and all we are required to do is test that which is uploaded to Renderosity not what is being posted on other sites. But we do come across offsite links to sites that are against our TOS very often when items are just linked to thru forum post. as to my comment about Draconian rules I will say that I have seen and experience other sites where any comment or item that is not exactly with in their TOS not only removed but any negative comment about their site leads to a ban or termination of your account. I do not wish to be the next individual to be bashed or targeted for voicing an opinion that does not fully agree with the masses. And I fully understand your point Faerydae about this is not the only issue it is as you say "the last straw for many" and can empathize with you on that. But truly this policy change is not a hindrance that some feel it is IMHO

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But this rule also applies to posting off-site links in Free Stuff, correct? (not the forum, the Freestuff uploads) I could not find it mentioned specifically in any of the threads, but I am assuming (as are many others here) that this is the case since most of your reasons (viruses, offsite marketplaces) apply.

Also, I too want to know if you banned 3D-Arena and removed her store because of her post.

I don't think I can say anything more than what's already been said, so I'll just leave this..

@DestinysGarden & @IceEmpress I didn't see the post, because removal, but I'm assuming you're talking about 3-DArena (as opposed to 3D-Arena as everyone's been typing), and she's still here. Her store is here: https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/?uid=35702

Or were/are there 2 vendors with the same name?

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I would hope Renderosity was not so unprofessional as to ban 3D-Arena and close her store , which has been quite successful here at Renderosity for her opinion in this matter. I will be very , very hard pressed to ever shop , Vendor or do anything else here if that is the case. We are not drones , we are people , people who have minds and opinions and feelings and voices that deserve to be heard. The freebie linking thing was the last straw for many. 3D-Arena's fate may very well be mine.

Well, 3-DArena has had her store closed before for voicing her opinion so maybe she, herself, asked for the post to be removed to prevent that from happening again? I suppose I would agree with her if I had read it as it seems the others I agree with are doing so. Still, it would have been better to be able to see it but if it's her decision to delete I'm ok with it. If she was censored, then it's another story altogether.

Vaskania posted at 11:44PM Thu, 18 February 2016 - #4255968

I don't think I can say anything more than what's already been said, so I'll just leave this..

@DestinysGarden & @IceEmpress I didn't see the post, because removal, but I'm assuming you're talking about 3-DArena (as opposed to 3D-Arena as everyone's been typing), and she's still here. Her store is here: https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/?uid=35702

Or were/are there 2 vendors with the same name?

Correct you are Vaskania, and I have been typing it wrong. Your direct link works, however, her name does not come up in the Marketplace vendor search. Edit: but I do see her on the list of exclusive vendors, so previous comments were presumptive. Apologies. But the point remains that one should be allowed to respectfully disagree, especially when invited by the opening post.

I can't edit my post, stupid time limit, but it turns out I wasn't all that correct afterall. >.<

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Has she been banned? Yes.

Did she remove her original post? No. It was removed and looks like most of those who quoted it have been removed as well.

She did however remove her second post as she posted it just before she received a warning...as soon as she received the warning she took the second post down, but it had already been read and replied to, so there was a bit of a hinky time thing going on, as she really didn't post after the warning but it looked like she did. So there could have been a very possible hasty decision and a 'timing is everything' thing going on.

Is her store going to be down? She is still in the drop down for exclusive vendors but not in the "All vendors" Direct links still work, I have no idea what will happen when the site does their daily update.

Those be the facts, no speculation, no gossip.

@Lobo3433 .. I know testers and such are volunteers but stil it has a responsability that we count on since the testers give it a go of approval if I understand well ..

According to the The testers are to make sure the download that are posted to the Renderosity site are with in compliance to the TOS .. Now again if one of the testers are testing a new upload I assume they have to click on the download link to see if it actualy works .. So when clicking on the link you could be refered as you mentioned to f.e. a porn site .. then it should be one of the tasks as a part of the testing process to let Rendo know and question if it is wise to approve from showcasing or not .. As part of a preventive action to keep Rendo clean ..

Does this makes sense explaining in my wonderful English ..??

LOL This is ridiculous.

I have no comment, a well-respected vendor has been banned. Customers being suggested to delete their accounts and even given help with that. But I would ask powers that be, if they think this has gone a bit too far now? Can we please ALL stop this right now and give it some senses? There's a REASON people are voicing their opinions and the reason is that your crippled community here still CARES for this place and is trying to fight for it and you're shutting them up.

Why is this happening, Renderosity?

Because sales are down, they're in panic mode and think this will make people just stay at Rendo and shop here. It's as if we were born this morning and have no previous knowledge of other Poser/3D stores, forums, galleries, etc.

Judging from my experience I've hardly bought anything from here in the last 3 months because I'm a Poser user still using M4/V4. I don't have to apologize for not liking Daz studio, Genesis, Dawn, Dusk or whatever. So, since there is hardly anything for my figures of choice naturally I will shop elsewhere like RDNA. It's as simple as that. They can't expect to get the same number of sales DAZ is getting with the G3/DS only stuff so now they're in a bind.

KristiS posted at 12:11PM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4255909

The other reason I agree is because my 17 year old son downloads freebies from here and has gotten a virus on his system from a link one day...not good at all. Now I know a whole lot of you are well aware of what to stay away from however to someone who is just starting out (age does not matter as new to this world is new no matter how old you are) does not know and most of the time finds out the hard way.

If that really happened then I'm sure a respectable company would immediately alert its members, who may well have already followed the link, to the possibility of getting a virus from a link published on their website an advise them to check their system for potential malware.

I don't recall seeing any such public alert here, so to avoid any possibility that someone might mistakenly think this incident was made up to score a cheap point it might be prudent to provied a link to the public warning, so that all here can see the seriousness with which Renderosity takes our online safety.

Because sales are down, they're in panic mode

My impression as well. It's a combination of panic mode because freebies are way down, sales are way down, and the virus scare after the son of one of the admins recently got one from either a forum freebie link or an off-site freestuff link.

You know, it really says something that nearly all of the comments from vendors about this policy on these forums has been overwhelmingly, extremely negative. You would think this would be a hint to TPtB and the admins here. You don't piss off your vendors, not if you want to survive as a business. P3D-Art and 3-DArena are not small time vendors, either, and both Wolfie and SWAM are on Rendo's top vendors list! Kristi, Hope, and all other Rendo admins (And TPtB), this should be the moment of truth for the admins and TPtB. The faster that this is realized and the rule reversed, the less damage you will cause to the site in the long run. Do not wait for 2-3 weeks like you usually do with disastrous decisions like these, because by then it will be too late, just as it was when you removed the destructive gallery limitations initiated during last summer's redesign.

KristiS posted at 12:22PM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4255909

Hello all -

Please do not shoot me, I have come here to give my opinion about a few things.

I have been here for a total of 7 years now and yes, I was gone for about a year for some reasons and then came back.

This has always been and will always be my love and home.

I would like to say that Hope did explain why there would not be anymore off site linking, through the entire site as well as the Freebie area.

This was NOT just her decision as I did and still do stand by that decision and here is why...

Say there is a Freebie I like so I click on it, it take me to Daz or another store, I then go one step further and start looking in the Marketplace for something else to go with what I downloaded. I find a nice product that is $15.00 so I buy it.

I am now putting money in some other vendor's pocket instead of a vendor here at Renderosity.

Thanks for clarifying that the latest attempts to shaft the community are not actually for our benefit, as previously claimed, but an attempt (misguided in the opinion of many) to make a few extra dollars for Renderosity. We appreciate your honesty.

yes, this makes me want to reinstate all my freestuff, forgive TPtB and move along, like a sheep to the slaughter, good times.

Locked Out

Hi everyone-

I know that I am the Community Manager, but these decisions aren't just made by me, they're decided by the Renderosity staff as a whole. So, please stop saying it is just me who is enforcing this, it's all of us.

Lastly, personal attacks are NOT okay and you guys didn't see it, but 3-darena's last comment was a personal attack on staff (me) as well as the first one she wrote. There's a difference between "bashing the policy" and "bashing someone's character." For personal attacks, we have no choice but to lock it and send that member a warning.

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine

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hopeandlove posted at 11:12AM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256047

Hi everyone- I just wanted to let you know that 3-Arena's store is NOT closed. Here is the link to her store:

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vendor/3-darena

"Sorry! We could not locate the vendor in any of our records. " Looks closed to me... (and no, _she _didn't ask for it to get closed...)

Geez Hope.. Your link to 3-DArenas store says>>> "Sorry! We could not locate the vendor in any of our records."

I think the whole bunch of Rendo's admin have lost their minds!! And I'm very glad that I'm no longer a part of this circus.. I closed my shop & deleted my freebies last year..

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hopeandlove posted at 5:33PM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256047

Hi everyone-

I know that I am the Community Manager, but these decisions aren't just made by me, they're decided by the Renderosity staff as a whole. So, please stop saying it is just me who is enforcing this, it's all of us.

How do you reconcile that with the statement you made on page one, that said:

"Another is, we had instated this policy a little while back, but it was not followed through. And, so, I decided to bring this rule back because it's unfair to link to other sites." (bold formatting added by me)

Can you see how we might have thought it was your decision? It's a bit unfair to blame others for thinking it was your decision, isn't it?

Maybe it would be a good idea to see if their are any staff at Rendo with communications experience to cast an eye over posts first, to make sure these misunderstandings don't occur?

Her link was removed right before I posted it.

And, just to let you all know - since vendors are supposed to represent our community, they're held accountable for a bit more. We have a Vendor code of conduct, and she's broken that, so that's why all of this took place. This wasn't the first time she broke the rules. Thanks, everyone.

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine

Hisui posted at 11:47AM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256060

hopeandlove posted at 11:12AM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256047

Hi everyone- I just wanted to let you know that 3-Arena's store is NOT closed. Here is the link to her store:

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vendor/3-darena

"Sorry! We could not locate the vendor in any of our records. " Looks closed to me... (and no, _she _didn't ask for it to get closed...)

So where's Shawn's store??? She definitely didn't ask for it to be closed. There were no personal attacks. Stating the numerous issues that 99% of this "community" have with our "authority figures" isn't a personal attack, it's fact.

Might want to rethink that last comment Hope. I'm related to her and I know what her previous issues were.

The last time she had her store closed for disagreeing with some aspects of prime. Her concerns on that were exactly what the store later said was the problem. She did so in a private forum back then as her warning yesterday stated she was supposed to do. She was never ever warned that time, nor was she banned they just closed her store without warning for pointing out that if they did prime as planned it was going to be a problem in a few years. She was brought back by previous administration who agreed she should never have had her store closed in the first place. It wasn't a case of previously breaking the rules when the later admin agreed she didn't do so. The only other time she has ever been warned since 2001 was again in a private forum when a vendor was bashing vendors that were not top sellers and she commented that the vendor in question had infringed copyrights in the past. She was banned from the vendor forum for that and closed her own store. She did not attack that vendor and she only pointed out a truth that had been in the copyright forum and did so only because he was attacking other vendors. So to claim she has a history of breaking the rules is actually not fully accurate and being used to distract from the real problem here.

Her 2nd post that you take as a personal attack was simply to address your statement of being an authority and your statement about experience over age concerning the fb page you are in charge of. She posted it before she got any warning and that can be shown with the records for the site. she posted and then saw the sitemail icon. read it and deleted the post so as not to go against the warning.

I know that she has stressed and pushed for changes to renderosity that would be positive and offered ideas that were used by the store. She was passionite about this store succeeding but lately she has been frustrated and fed up by the lack of real positive change. I see it with her all the time, her frustration. I talked to her about her choice when she decided to stay exclusive here even though her husband and friends wanted her to go back to daz. I told her to go to daz myself but she wanted this site to get better and felt that if she left she would just be adding to the problem. She emails and calls privately to talk about issues, I have personally heard her on the phone with staff. So that tells me that the truth of your statement is that vendors can never speak about issues in public when ignored in private and by banning her and closing her store you are trying to control other unhappy vendors.

i know she stated this site didn't need a cheerleader but she actually was one. I've seen her try to convince vendors that have left that they should keep trying here she has talked to me about her frustration that good vendors are leaving. I am glad you did this to her!!!! now she will not have to worry about it anymore and she can either retire as she was planing or go where there is no drama.

"Lastly, personal attacks are NOT okay and you guys didn't see it, but 3-darena's last comment was a personal attack on staff (me) as well as the first one she wrote. There's a difference between "bashing the policy" and "bashing someone's character." For personal attacks, we have no choice but to lock it and send that member a warning."

i am not passing judgement one way or another in terms of whether Shawn was personal or not, as i only saw her original post, which to me, did not seem exceptionally personal.

what i DO wish to say is that there IS a difference betwixt personal attacks and attacking someone's behaviour.

i used to work with a girl who was in a position that, at that time, was 'above' mine. she exhibited all sorts of behaviours that i did not like, nor were they what i viewed as professional. we constantly seemed to butt heads because of it, because she was taking it personally, and sought to try to react towards me from a personal position. i finally had to explain to her that it was not her, per se, that i found to be objectionable, but rather her behaviours...

i'm sure you are quite a nice girl, Hope, as you've not shown me otherwise. and you most likely are trying to 'do the right thing', and are a positive person, and your intent is true, etc etc... i'm not sure anyone is actually questioning this bit, to be honest... behaviours are learned things, they are changeable, malleable, transmutable, and thus are not always a complete reflection of a person's core/character; but rather, behaviours are more a reflection of a person in that moment, under suchnsuch circumstances/stimuli... not quite the same thing as character, imo...

your community is a passionate one, oft given over to such passions, strong responses, and at times, might even appear to be bi-polar [heh]... we are a temperamental sort. and because of this written medium, words matter, really really matter [this might be where your journalism bkgrd might come in handy], and the choosing of not only the right word[s], but overall tone matters. and maybe the idea of having someone read over your shoulder seems as if it could possibly viewed as a biting suggestion, it may actually have merit as you try to figure out how to do the job you seem to really wish to do...

you have been invited by several folks to share more about yourself, to tell us more about you, your interests artistically, your experiences, etc., but you've been, as far as i'm aware, unresponsive. if by chance you've no experience with any of the types of artistic endeavours that exist on this site, be it Poser, DS, 2D, etc., i dunno, maybe trying to learn and participate at that level might help you understand us - learn by doing, asking for help if you need it - be ONE of us, in a sense, and not so far removed, or at least appear to be so far removed...

just random thoughts... whatever... sigh...

also, i'd greatly appreciate an answer to my question regarding what tools, methods, whatever you are using to determine what is "best" for US...

thanks.

erm...

i am not passing judgement one way or another in terms of whether Shawn was personal or not, as i only saw her original post, which to me, did not seem exceptionally personal.

yea, that might read a little confusing. apologies. what i mean is that just because i did not see it as not terribly personal, does not mean that my perspective is fact...

I would be MORE THAN happy to chat with ANY of you anytime you'd like! Just contact me and we'll talk.

I appreciate each and everyone of you. And, I thank you for your thoughts, opinion and concerns. My door is always open for anyone to come through and I mean that. But, we've made this decision together - as a team - and I hope you'll understand down the road why it was implemented.

Thanks again everyone! I hope ALL OF YOU have a lovely day.

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine

she got an email from one of the admin marketplace staff, i think the manager or one of the marketplace staff. I don't know the names of everyone. stating they were out of the office part of yesterday and today and would get fully informed later today so someone is either lying or being purposely misleading

anyone reading this thread can pretty much understand why

hopeandlove posted at 10:59AM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256067

Her link was removed right before I posted it.

And, just to let you all know - since vendors are supposed to represent our community, they're held accountable for a bit more. We have a Vendor code of conduct, and she's broken that, so that's why all of this took place. This wasn't the first time she broke the rules. Thanks, everyone.

Those rules are not conductive to business, esp. the competition. DAZ especially, which handles PAs with kid gloves on the forums (this is a degree of leniency which I do NOT agree with however-- typically PAs just get a topic closure or no-actioned for things that would get non-PA posts deleted) Basic rule of commerce-- ESPECIALLY community-based commerce like Rendo and DAZ is that you do NOT piss off your vendors. This is not Amazon or Ebay, so an argument that "this is what other businesses do" does not fly.
I feel like a broken record here, but you would do well to look at your competition. DAZ treats their vendors with much more respect, and go way overboard in doing so. Rendo seems to fall on the opposite end, when they should be finding a happy medium between the two (I'm usually greatly opposed to double standards, but there's a huge difference between a double-standard of not deleting PA posts and a double standard of not banning PAs for forum misbehavior.
You know, I'm tempted to make a separate topic solely to repeat so many of the things I've said here, because it seems like the admins here just ignore it-- a non-hostile one unlike my posts in this and other threads, that simply lay out the facts such as the various reasons why someone would upload off-site then link to it here or in the freestuff section (there are SIX reasons for why they would do this, and possibly more)

she got an email from one of the admin marketplace staff, i think the manager or one of the marketplace staff. I don't know the names of everyone. stating they were out of the office part of yesterday and today and would get fully informed later today so someone is either lying or being purposely misleading anyone reading this thread can pretty much understand why

I don't understand what you mean, could you please clarify? Got an email from the marketplace admins about what? Get fully informed about what? Who is lying or being purposefully misleading?

she emailed a staff member and that person is either the marketplace mgr or something. They are in charge of a variety of market stuff. She wanted her sales records and her owed monies. She was told by that person that they had been gone most of yesterday and today and that they (the staff member) would get fully informed about what was going on.

So either it was not a staff decision that included the market staff or it was. I just think it's wrong because I know what she has been trying to do in the background and I know there was stuff she was doing that she was under an nda and couldn't talk about. I know that she did it with no pay for months because her husband kept telling her to let it go but she wanted the site to do well and that was part of why she stayed exclusive here because she genuinely wanted to help. She thought if she left that it would be seen as abandoning ship and that rendo needed exclusive vendors. I told her that her loyalty to rendo was never going to be returned and I am mad that I was right.

Well, if the treatment of 3DArena isn't a reason for me to delete my freebies and never come back, I don't know what is. I LOVE this site. Well, I have love for it. Like an old friend that you spent all of your time with, but grew apart due to life just being what it is. After working here for the better part of a decade as a moderator for several forums and managing some of the contests and challenges, I quit. Not because my colleagues sucked, but because there were members that my hands were tied on and harassed me off site (to the point where they were threatening my then newborn child and sending me photos of my previous residence).

Here's one piece of advice that I repeated to members over and over for years, and, Hope, I feel like you need it right now.

Criticism isn't a personal attack. And if you take every criticism as a personal attack, you will never grow and stagnate as a person. You will never be better than you are right now, and the point of being a human is to become a better version of who you are over time. If you don't, what's the point? So, maybe take a look at how you reacted to not just the initial post 3DArena made (unless they upgraded the software so you can't see the post anymore. I know that, when I worked here, if we deleted a post we could still see it), and take your name out and put someone else's name there. Someone maybe you don't get along with. Re-read it. See if you'd have accepted it if they reacted the same way. If you're honest with yourself, you probably wouldn't. And that's the thing. When you work with artists, of any kind, you learn that opinions are more plentiful than dandelion fluff, and you learn to read people. When you manage a community (that's your title, after all), part of your job is getting to learn personalities and nuances. Critical thinking is a HUGE part of the job, and so is taking verbal abuse. If you can't handle it, maybe this isn't the best job for you. I know it wasn't worth it for me, in the end. I've kept the friends I had, and moved on without the rest, and am better for it.

So, you can see what I've written here, take it as a personal attack, and ban me or whatever you want to do, but the truth is, treating vendors and customers like this is why people are leaving in large numbers and don't come back. And, those that do come back don't spend here, because they're treated terribly by other site members and staff alike.

This used to be home for a lot of us. Now...it's like driving back to your old neighborhood, only to find that they bulldozed your house and put up a convenience store. :/

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hopeandlove posted at 2:13PM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256047

Hi everyone-

I know that I am the Community Manager, but these decisions aren't just made by me, they're decided by the Renderosity staff as a whole. So, please stop saying it is just me who is enforcing this, it's all of us.

Lastly, personal attacks are NOT okay and you guys didn't see it, but 3-darena's last comment was a personal attack on staff (me) as well as the first one she wrote. There's a difference between "bashing the policy" and "bashing someone's character." For personal attacks, we have no choice but to lock it and send that member a warning.

Actually I did see it before she deleted it so did several others it was responded to and the response is still in the thread hanging like a loose chad in the wind, I have a copy of it and it was not a personal attack. I saw all of her posts as well as many others that are now gone, all agreeing with her. It's not just you Hope, it's the whole range of things starting with the site redesign to the dismantling of the Prime Club. Again, the way it was done, telling the community at large that it was essentially the vendors ideas to do so, which was quickly discounted by the vendors.

It's a lot of things, it's not being listened to, it's being told "okay if you don't agree, sure go ahead and leave we don't care" posts and attitude. Renderosity wants their community feel back? Then how about listening to the community, the vendors that make the money to run this place and the membership and customers who pay the vendors to run this place? Would be a good way to start. What will all of you do for jobs, when there is nothing left but skeletal remains of a community? Don't say it can't happen, I've seen it happen to other places. There are other venues they can sell with and their customers will follow them.

Presentation is everything when communicating with a myriad of personalities.

Just wanted to get both sides out there.

Well said Jeni

Thank you for your post, Jen. I'd forgotten that Renderosity staff could show wisdom, and now you and Doug (BasicWiz) have both reminded me, all in one day! Kudos to you.

The last time she had her store closed for disagreeing with some aspects of prime. Her concerns on that were exactly what the store later said was the problem. She did so in a private forum back then as her warning yesterday stated she was supposed to do. She was never ever warned that time, nor was she banned they just closed her store without warning for pointing out that if they did prime as planned it was going to be a problem in a few years. She was brought back by previous administration who agreed she should never have had her store closed in the first place. It wasn't a case of previously breaking the rules when the later admin agreed she didn't do so.

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I just think it's wrong because I know what she has been trying to do in the background and I know there was stuff she was doing that she was under an nda and couldn't talk about. I know that she did it with no pay for months because her husband kept telling her to let it go but she wanted the site to do well and that was part of why she stayed exclusive here because she genuinely wanted to help. She thought if she left that it would be seen as abandoning ship and that rendo needed exclusive vendors. I told her that her loyalty to rendo was never going to be returned and I am mad that I was right.

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So where's Shawn's store??? She definitely didn't ask for it to be closed. There were no personal attacks. Stating the numerous issues that 99% of this "community" have with our "authority figures" isn't a personal attack, it's fact.

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Her 2nd post that you take as a personal attack was simply to address your statement of being an authority and your statement about experience over age concerning the fb page you are in charge of.

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Actually I did see it before she deleted it so did several others it was responded to and the response is still in the thread hanging like a loose chad in the wind, I have a copy of it and it was not a personal attack. I saw all of her posts as well as many others that are now gone, all agreeing with her.

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OK, I read 3D-Arena's comments, and visited her store earlier in the day. I found it honest and not out of line. Did you seriously ban a respected vendor and delete her store for simply disagreeing with you? Really?

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So in other words, Renderosity closed the store of one of its top exclusive vendors for rocking the boat, and are now giving a false narrative about why they did so. Wow. Just wow. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

P3D-Art posted at 3:39PM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4255993

@Lobo3433 .. I know testers and such are volunteers but stil it has a responsability that we count on since the testers give it a go of approval if I understand well ..

According to the The testers are to make sure the download that are posted to the Renderosity site are with in compliance to the TOS .. Now again if one of the testers are testing a new upload I assume they have to click on the download link to see if it actualy works .. So when clicking on the link you could be refered as you mentioned to f.e. a porn site .. then it should be one of the tasks as a part of the testing process to let Rendo know and question if it is wise to approve from showcasing or not .. As part of a preventive action to keep Rendo clean ..

Does this makes sense explaining in my wonderful English ..??

Yes we do check for the items that are uploaded to the Renderosity site items that are posted in the FreeStuff forum with external links to other sites to down load are not checked by us we are only required to test what is uploaded to our servers. We can only approve the items on our servers so if a download is on another site we have no control on what is in that zip file. That is why we are stressing that FreeStuff items be uploaded to Renderosity you are allowed to up load as much as you like 200mb per item but only one item approved every 24 hours. But if an item is uploaded to CG share for instance then no we will not check it's validity or content. Everything that is available on the Freestuff section of the site is checked what might be posted in Freestuff forum with external links is not tested since those are individual post being made by members and if they use an external link for their item then it does not go thru our process I hope that better explains why the the new Policy is in effect

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Malysse posted at 3:04PM Fri, 19 February 2016 - #4256122

Thank you for your post, Jen. I'd forgotten that Renderosity staff could show wisdom, and now you and Doug (BasicWiz) have both reminded me, all in one day! Kudos to you.

There is a post from Jen?

Wow. Just have to say that if the Prime catastrophe and lately allotment of Gen3 content over any other figure didn't already push me away from purchasing from Renderosity, then this (banning a vendor for speaking her mind, and not one personal attack have I seen, and I have seen Shawn's posts) definitely would. Renderosity has been going downhill for a while. I used to buy so much here, getting the Render Rewards many times over the course of a year. Now, I only visit the site to upload to my gallery. And then I'll browse the store for a few minutes...only to find mostly G3 content that I cannot use (being a Poser-only user) and a lot of poor quality "other stuff".

Since the changes, Prime is a joke. I used to put back $12-$16 a month just to get a few Prime items off my wishlist. Back when all Prime products were $3.99. Now, I don't bother. I don't consider anything above $5 a "Prime" product, so don't bother spending the money, unless it's a quality product by a well-known vendor whom I follow. I kept my membership to see if Prime was ever going to return to it's glory days. So far, it hasn't. If it doesn't change back to what it was before by the time my membership expires, I won't be renewing. It's now become a waste of my money.

On top of all the bad changes Renderosity just keeps implementing is this one...no offsite links for fear their precious community might get a virus (as if we're all noobs on the internet and have no idea that a link, ANY link, can potentially be harmful)...and of course, for fear of losing a few bucks to another company. Well, when you have people already not spending because of the content that's available (or not available, as the case may be), and a mass exodus because the head honchos cannot figure out why their site is sinking and just keep implementing bad idea after bad idea, losing a few bucks to competition should be the least of worries.

And THEN, to ban a respected vendor because she spoke up about what is certainly NOT working to keep this site afloat...shakes head. Where is the Renderosity I loved back in the day? Sadly, it's all but sunk into the depths. And if the managers/admins cannot see this ship has pretty much sunk and start listening to the community they pledged to, there's no saving it.

Hi everyone - While I appreciate your comments, opinion and feedback, I have to close this thread because at this point, we're getting way off-topic. I thank you again for your input. Please do reach out if you have any questions/concerns or need anything. Thank you again.

Hope Kumor

Editor-in-chief of Renderosity Magazine