galaxiefilm opened this issue on Feb 23, 2016 · 138 posts
galaxiefilm posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 8:26 PM
. I just received an e-mail from RuntimeDNA stating that they are merging with DAZ 3D.
Is that announcement for real? .
adh3d posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 8:31 PM
Yes, I think it is true.
Hey, Smith Micro, look at Renderosity for your official forums !!! 
galaxiefilm posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 8:40 PM
Just my opinion, but I fear that DAZ will do the same thing for Runtime as they did for Eovia -- namely, virtual destruction.
Oh, Syyd, how could you? Please tell me this isn't true!
If it were the other way around -- Runtime taking over DAZ -- I would be quite happy. But that does not appear to be the case
Biting my tongue and refraining from making comments regarding Utah.
Thank God for Rendo & Hivewire!
WandW posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 8:49 PM
Those are about my feelings, too. I hate to see competition reduced in any field, and RDNA is a unique place, which is now apparently going to go the way of Poser Pros... 
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GeneralNutt posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 8:53 PM
Faerydae posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 8:59 PM
Yes, it's true. Official posts at both sites.
galaxiefilm posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 9:00 PM
I agree, WandW and GeneralNutt.
I hope the vendors move here, because (just my opinion again) we all can pretty much guess that someone was sold a bill of goods and what DAZ' real intent is.
Runtime has so many Poser-centric python scripts and special products like TerraDome that this comes-off as unthinkable.
toastie posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 9:06 PM
The Official Poser Forums need a new home. They can hardly stay where they are.
It would have been nice to at least get warning that the Deep Freeze section would be gone so I could buy everything!
galaxiefilm posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 9:14 PM
Yes, I just went to my "wish list" at Runtime to buy up those discounted items and everything is at a $5 minimum now.
Boni posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 9:37 PM
There is a lot intense opinion involvement ... please ... let let this go and return to helping our members. There is little we can do to avoid conflict if we continue.
Boni
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EClark1894 posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 10:34 PM
Sadly, for some reason I can't log into Hivewire to buy anything or to post. Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Alisa posted Tue, 23 February 2016 at 11:18 PM
EClark1894 posted at 11:18PM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4257017
Sadly, for some reason I can't log into Hivewire to buy anything or to post. Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
That's weird. Let me see what we can do to help.
Cheers,
Alisa
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moriador posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 12:40 AM
Boni posted at 10:38PM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4257010
There is a lot intense opinion involvement ... please ... let let this go and return to helping our members. There is little we can do to avoid conflict if we continue.
A major Poser content marketplace is closing down, and we're not even allowed to talk about it?
Official Poser forums need to be completely divorced from the brokerages (and probably run by Smith Micro), else we risk being unable to discuss topics of utmost interest to us, as Poser users, as is clear, in this very thread.
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-Timberwolf- posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 12:48 AM
My only concern is, that it might cost diversity. It would be dissapointing to see the same content on RDNA, that you see at DAZ-3d. And competition is important. SM and DAZ-3d should be equal, that's what users benefit from.
galaxiefilm posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 2:01 AM
The impression I got from Runtime's e-mail was that their site was eventually going down and their products would be moving over to DAZ' site.
Personally, I can't buy into all this as being a good thing for the Poser community -- but I would simply love to be proven wrong about that. .
RorrKonn posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 3:55 AM
I'm a CGI Artist nothing is going to change that. I don't care who owns what site. Don't make a damn to me. but I'm sure we will have multiple threads on this site about other sites. Just don't go crazy with none factual rumors n speculations. I'd be all fore DAZ merging with Renderosity ,there eBots work ;)
and who wants to bet this thread gets locked before we see page 3 ?
All I got from what all I read nothing was changing other then Runtimes using DAZ's Bank for $$$ transactions. All Stores has to go threw a bank for Credit Cards n all and the banks get a % of all sells.
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RorrKonn posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 4:13 AM
If DAZ didn't bail Runtime out .Runtime would have closed there doors anyways.
Cost a lot to run these stores.
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-Timberwolf- posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 4:40 AM
If you merge two shops, you won't get a bigger shop. No, you'll loose one shop.
Razor42 posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 5:04 AM
-Timberwolf- posted at 10:03PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257055
If you merge two shops, you won't get a bigger shop. No, you'll loose one shop.
Lol, I have read that 3 times now at 3 different forums.
3DFineries posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 5:04 AM
moriador posted at 5:02AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257022
Boni posted at 10:38PM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4257010
There is a lot intense opinion involvement ... please ... let let this go and return to helping our members. There is little we can do to avoid conflict if we continue.
A major Poser content marketplace is closing down, and we're not even allowed to talk about it?
Official Poser forums need to be completely divorced from the brokerages (and probably run by Smith Micro), else we risk being unable to discuss topics of utmost interest to us, as Poser users, as is clear, in this very thread.
I don't think that's what she means. Boni just doesn't want to see bashing & would rather we help our own community. So as long as it's kept civil, we can discuss this as it is a big impact on the community as a whole.
Have a creative day!
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SAMS3D posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 5:20 AM
Well, I think it will be a good thing for Syyd and Colm, nobody wants to see their site and hard work disappear, I am sure they thought long and hard about this. I remember when they left here and started their own site. It was a transition for them at that time and they are just going through another one. They are good people and have always thought about their members, so know this, they made this decision with much input. A lot of their vendors are already at Daz.
I have always appreciated all sites in regards to Poser and Daz, and I purchase from all sites. If a site has a product I want, then I purchase it, whether it is from here, RDNA, Daz or where ever they have the product I want.
Moving forward people, moving forward.
Sharen
-Timberwolf- posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 5:35 AM
Razor42 posted at 12:34PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257058
-Timberwolf- posted at 10:03PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257055
If you merge two shops, you won't get a bigger shop. No, you'll loose one shop.
Lol, I have read that 3 times now at 3 different forums.
lol maybe because I posted it 3 times at 3 different forums ;)
cspear posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 6:17 AM
OK. Now's the perfect time for the goons that design and code - I mean "design" and "code" - Renderosity to get their act together or get sacked. This is my first visit here in weeks and I note that it's still a horrible shambles.
Get it sorted.
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EldritchCellar posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 6:29 AM
I'm curious if this signals a shift wholescale of RDNA artists producing work exclusively for the Daz Studio platform. It's not as if Daz appears to have a strong Poser content agenda. Some of my favorite Poser content creators are brokers at Daz and I've never had anything but good experiences with the store and its wares... There is an obvious shift going on though. Luckily, I'm not a big content purchaser anymore. Still, in all, it is a little troublesome to see DNA's stable of artists heading down this path, regardless of pragmatic reasoning.
What's to become of all of those great threads housed at the RDNA archives? Poof.
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SeanMartin posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 6:38 AM
Proof yet again that folks wants surface over substance. "Ooo, look! Yet another cookie-cutter, 20-something female mesh! Must buy because it's only the 48th one this month, and this time she's really different! We mean it this time!"
That right there says plenty about the priorities around this part of the Internet... but hey, if that's what folks want...
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WandW posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 6:47 AM
galaxiefilm posted at 7:45AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257005
Yes, I just went to my "wish list" at Runtime to buy up those discounted items and everything is at a $5 minimum now.
I had a $5 item sitting in my cart, and it's now $19.99. 
As EC notes, their Forum archives are likely in jeopardy...
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EldritchCellar posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 6:48 AM
"Moving forward people, moving forward."
At the cost of what losses? Progress is great as long as it's mindful of the casualties. The business end of all of this is lucky to have its community to clean up the messes it leaves behind in its wake. Gratis. I see a shift from a knowlegable, innovative, DIY user base and a large archive of expertise being slowly replaced by "this way or the highway" and poor documentation.
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EClark1894 posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:03 AM
Razor42 posted at 7:55AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257058
-Timberwolf- posted at 10:03PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257055
If you merge two shops, you won't get a bigger shop. No, you'll loose one shop.
Lol, I have read that 3 times now at 3 different forums.
Most likely because there's truth in it. I'm not quitting RDNA or anything, and according to the posts all my purchases there will migrate over to DAZ to join my purchases there. That's fine with me... so far. All I really want at this point is access to what I've aready bought. It's the main reason I still maintain an account with DAZ in the first place even though I haven't bought much from them in a while. But it does seem that RDNA will be shutting down eventually, including the forums and galleries eventually. It makes no sense for DAZ to maintain several storefronts, and it's happened before, when DAZ acquired Poser Pros. So yeah, I expect a repeat performance.
EldritchCellar posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:21 AM
I'd say, given history, that SM more than likely will not be the final owners of Poser software. Extrapolate at your discretion. Ot?
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WandW posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:38 AM
EldritchCellar posted at 8:34AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257087
I'd say, given history, that SM more than likely will not be the final owners of Poser software. Extrapolate at your discretion. Ot?
Considering that SM is in serious danger of having its stock delisted from NASDAQ (for reasons having nothing to do with Poser), that's a reasonable prediction. In the Short Term they probably should do a reverse stock split, like CitiCorp did; perhaps 15:1. Back to RDNA...
PS; I got an ebot; perhaps there is hope for this place after all..
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EClark1894 posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:49 AM
aproctor posted at 8:47AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257020
EClark1894 posted at 11:18PM Tue, 23 February 2016 - #4257017
Sadly, for some reason I can't log into Hivewire to buy anything or to post. Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
That's weird. Let me see what we can do to help.
Hey, thanks Alisa! Lisa sent me an email with a new password to use. I tried last night to create another one but kept getting told it was invalid. Still have to create a new account for the forum though.
hornet3d posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:55 AM
SAMS3D posted at 1:49PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257063
Well, I think it will be a good thing for Syyd and Colm, nobody wants to see their site and hard work disappear, I am sure they thought long and hard about this. I remember when they left here and started their own site. It was a transition for them at that time and they are just going through another one. They are good people and have always thought about their members, so know this, they made this decision with much input. A lot of their vendors are already at Daz.
I have always appreciated all sites in regards to Poser and Daz, and I purchase from all sites. If a site has a product I want, then I purchase it, whether it is from here, RDNA, Daz or where ever they have the product I want.
Moving forward people, moving forward.
Sharen
I understand what you are saying but there is a wider issue. Some of the products on sale at RDNA do not meet the rules of DAZ, by which I mean the slightly more adult products. The site really provided a middle ground between the likes of Daz, Rendeosity and the site with a similar name.
There is also the statement that the old Poser content will be moved to Daz, really, I wonder how long we will have to wait for the Dawn products to move across.
I am not looking for a war but clearly this does impact the community, in the long run that might be a good or bad thing but there can be no doubt there will be an impact.
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Boni posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 8:37 AM
I want to apologize for my earlier comment ... I was just hunkering down ... expecting the doo-doo to fly and I should have trusted you guys a little more. Yes, we need to discuss this. It does effect us all. Particularly in this forum.
Boni
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wolf359 posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 8:47 AM
Ho hum ... This appears to be a straight business decision on the part of Syyd & co. To me the obvious portent was when syyd began making products for the genesis 2 females.
Understand this, figure content makers support FIGURES mores so than actual programs.
So any concerns about less support for poser, going forward, are well founded as This actually translates into moving away from the aged V4 and acknowledging the objective ,non-tribalist reality that pauline has not found "traction" ( to put it charitably) and paul was effectively DOA.
Boni posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:02 AM
I'm a loyalist. I refuse to give up on Poser ... but I respect others' views.
Boni
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3DFineries posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:05 AM
Boni posted at 9:04AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257103
I want to apologize for my earlier comment ... I was just hunkering down ... expecting the doo-doo to fly and I should have trusted you guys a little more. Yes, we need to discuss this. It does effect us all. Particularly in this forum.
Hugs. Yeah, I was expecting doo-doo too but I'm pleasantly surprised for the most part. 
Have a creative day!
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EldritchCellar posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:10 AM
Not everybody needs other peoples art and models to use Poser wolf. As you are fond of saying "it's just part of a pipeline". I seriously wonder how many Poser/DS artists would be "artists" if not for pre made assets. But OT, and an uncomfortable truth for rose colored glasses. Also the source of 99.9% of the problems afflicting this art community.
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toastie posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:14 AM
My main concern over this is what will happen with all the extremely useful Poser tutorials, forums and scripts that are hosted there. Obviously these things will not be going to Daz - SM have already said they will be moving the forums, but not where they are going. And as external links aren't allowed here it's going to get difficult to track down a lot of useful stuff!
I'd also like to know what is happening about various vendors - some of whom I know moved there in the past after leaving Daz for various reasons. And I will be very sorry to see the Deep Freeze items go. So far as I know Daz doesn't keep items for older figures any more.
The comments I've seen on the Daz forums are excitement that 3rd party figures will be available for Genesis - presuming that's the direction the vendors want to go I guess - and that older items will be available in the PC club (except you have to pay for that don't you? The Deep Freeze stuff was just heavily discounted with no subscription payments to access it). Other than this I really can't see what's in this move for DazStudio users..... if they wanted the RDNA content couldn't they just buy it there? But anyway.
I don't see this as an exciting move for Poser users. Daz have said they are keeping the Poser content, but given their past record with Poser I don't see this lasting. There is also the problem of content for 3rd party figures (Dawn etc.) and whether all vendors want to sell at Daz. I don't see the older stuff lasting very long or being moved to anywhere else, I think it will just disappear.
It would be great if SM would take this opportunity to revamp Content Paradise and put back the forums, but I don't think they're too interested. It's a shame. Unlike apparently everyone else, I find CP easy to navigate and way easier to find items for a specific figure than just about any other site - including here where I've just about given up buying because the MP is such a mess. It's just the promos at CP are so feeble it's very hard to see what you are getting.
(Just to add - I mostly use Blender and Vue these days, but I do find Poser useful for a lot of things. I'm not going to stop using it anytime soon.)
EldritchCellar posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:16 AM
I agree, something should be done with Content Paradise. I too like the place.
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WandW posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:20 AM
Boni posted at 10:19AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257103
I want to apologize for my earlier comment ... I was just hunkering down ... expecting the doo-doo to fly and I should have trusted you guys a little more. Yes, we need to discuss this. It does effect us all. Particularly in this forum.
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Boni posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:28 AM
and 
Pretty well says it for me.
Boni
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WandW posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:30 AM
toastie posted at 10:22AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257112
My main concern over this is what will happen with all the extremely useful Poser tutorials, forums and scripts that are hosted there. Obviously these things will not be going to Daz - SM have already said they will be moving the forums, but not where they are going. And as external links aren't allowed here it's going to get difficult to track down a lot of useful stuff!
Indeed!! Traveler said over at RDNA that "The forums and Gallery will remain open. Please continue as you are. ", but I'm not sure what exactly that means in the long-term. Poser Pros' Forum stayed independent for a time, too...
Also a couple of folks have commented there that they are banned at DAZ, so that is an issue for them as well...
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-renapd- posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:32 AM Site Admin
Despite the fact I'm a vendor, I also stand 100% by Poser.
I'm not blind or a fool, I know that the new user, the young kid who starts out now with 3D.. will choose the free software, the latest figure, the big company content!
BUT.. to the people of a certain age, the ones who FOUNDED and created THIS great site... that's irrelevant! We have invested a full DECADE on V4 and Poser techniques. Regardless how many buy-outs happen... I am not willing to start again, and again, and AGAIN from scratch.. with another new figure. Most of us have family and heavy financial obligations.. not just hobby budgets!
So I guess it's a clear choice the one those of us made to stay 100% with Poser and eventually fade away all together into the sunset, vendors and users! I belong to that crazy, dedicated lot myself too! :)
I still recall vividly what happened to Poserpros. I lost access to a long list of purchases there once it was closed. So, I feel happy for Sydd and the RDNA Team and wish them all happy investing with what they got, but I feel sorry for the site as I know it will follow the same fate as the previous buy-outs.
For Poser users like myself it's quite simple.. we just sit back and wait to see how all this is played-out! :)
drifterlee posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:36 AM
I am very sorry to see this happen. Will RDNA's products still be Poser compatible?
toastie posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:38 AM
WandW posted at 9:36AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257118
toastie posted at 10:22AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257112
My main concern over this is what will happen with all the extremely useful Poser tutorials, forums and scripts that are hosted there. Obviously these things will not be going to Daz - SM have already said they will be moving the forums, but not where they are going. And as external links aren't allowed here it's going to get difficult to track down a lot of useful stuff!
Indeed!! Traveler said over at RDNA that "The forums and Gallery will remain open. Please continue as you are. ", but I'm not sure what exactly that means in the long-term. Poser Pros' Forum stayed independent for a time, too...
Also a couple of folks have commented there that they are banned at DAZ, so that is an issue for them as well...
Yeah. I have a feeling I got banned from the Daz forums way back as well (I pulled up something from an old forum archive they were trying to deny. Bad Toastie :D ). I haven't been there so long I can't remember!
wolf359 posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:42 AM
"Not everybody needs other peoples art and models to use Poser wolf. As you are fond of saying "it's just part of a pipeline"
Agreed but the objective reality is that the prevailing or at least publicly vocal, majority of people who use poser as thier primary "creative tool" do use figure models made by others. Just look at the gushing praise being heaped upon the creator of the figure in the "project E" thread . while he deserves getting credit for his humanoid modeling skills it is the fact that he is making a figure for poser that has the masses excited by the prospect of that ellusive "great white hope" that will save them/poser
Indeed I get it... you are a "Create my own content" mentality type and I respect that. However you exist in an online community of user who's presumed creative objectives are completely defined by what can be done within ONE single,regressive,lumbering monstrosity of a program called "poser"
"I seriously wonder how many Poser/DS artists would be "artists" if not for pre made assets."
Depends on one's definition of "artist" I largely despise the term and refer to myself as Visual communications producer/storyteller who uses whatever tools required to achieve those objectives, undisturbed by any feral,primitive, tribalist loyalties to the corporate entities that sell such tools in the commercial marketplace.
Boni posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:55 AM
Rena, I'm with you there. I remember back when you were making Greek Gods with Poser 4 figures!!! Still have your Xena and Gabby figures! We all need to let folks know Poser is alive, well and has a lot of support!
Boni
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wolf359 posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 10:19 AM
"I am not willing to start again, and again, and AGAIN from scratch.. with another new figure. Most of us have family and heavy financial obligations.. not just hobby budgets!"
It is reasonable to not want to keep reinvesting money in a hobby where the content is not tangible and repeats itself over with each new figure release.
However as a vendor it is sound financial logic to adapt to changing markets. other industries have done so and those vendors who ignore market trends do so at their own peril (see microsoft's smartphone market share)
hornet3d posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 10:35 AM
Boni posted at 4:30PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257103
I want to apologize for my earlier comment ... I was just hunkering down ... expecting the doo-doo to fly and I should have trusted you guys a little more. Yes, we need to discuss this. It does effect us all. Particularly in this forum.
I can well understand your fears, certainly based on past history.
I am glad you let it run though as it is going to have a big impact. One problem I do see is deciding what is bashing and what is a statement of unpleasant fact but I do hope we can steer around that as it is very important to see where this goes.
I, like some others, have invested too much in Poser to try and start all over again. I have gained a lot over the last ten years and although V4 is no longer my go to figure I am not about to dump Poser, which makes this move all the more important. What will happen to the support, limited I accept, to the figures that do not originate from Daz?
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prixat posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 10:51 AM
It's too much of a coincidence that e-bots seemed to have started working again. Obviously Renderosity engineered the whole thing to get Poser users back here! lol
regards
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toastie posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 10:52 AM
Um. I just went over to RDNA and the site is..... not what it was earlier! O_O
I had a vague idea about downloading all my purchases from there because I'm sure there is some stuff I've lost in various computer moves. But it would probably take a couple of days on my connection and I'm not sure how to find it now anyway!
Ah - I just discovered it's trying to force me into the mobile version for some reason. Which is blue. And looks nothing like RDNA.
Cage posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 10:55 AM
I sort of figure Daz assessed its own marketplace offerings and said, "Holy cripes! We need more steampunk, goth, and tribal tattoos or we're finished! Finished!!"
No, I kid. (Please don't delete or ban me, Rosity forum masters. Cage is nice. Good Cage.) I have high regard for Traveler, from the old days. I hope the RDNA folks come out of this well.
What can a community do to preserve the knowledge collected over several years, when one of its hub sites seems likely to disappear before too long? That's what I'm really wondering. There's a lot of important stuff at RDNA, especially in the Node Cult forum. :(
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jjroland posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 10:58 AM
Looks like the 'render' sites just got more dedicated business from me. I do not shop at Daz anymore especially since the v6 nonsense. I'm not a fan of monopolies at all so I really do hope this site doesn't allow itself to be bought up as well.
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WandW posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:28 AM
toastie posted at 12:22PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257148
Um. I just went over to RDNA and the site is..... not what it was earlier! O_O
I had a vague idea about downloading all my purchases from there because I'm sure there is some stuff I've lost in various computer moves. But it would probably take a couple of days on my connection and I'm not sure how to find it now anyway!
Ah - I just discovered it's trying to force me into the mobile version for some reason. Which is blue. And looks nothing like RDNA.
Due to the no Linking Policy here:
Into your Browser's address bar type 'www.runtimedna.com'
then after this type '/downloads.php' then hit return
You will be prompted to login if you aren't already. Zip file links will be on the right; do a right-dlick>Save As to rename them to something understandable by Humans if needed... 
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3D-Mobster posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:39 AM
I, like some others, have invested too much in Poser to try and start all over again. I have gained a lot over the last ten years and although V4 is no longer my go to figure I am not about to dump Poser, which makes this move all the more important. What will happen to the support, limited I accept, to the figures that do not originate from Daz?
I understand that, but maybe some of the blame falls on SM as well i think. Each time they release a new version of Poser, they have the opportunity to do so with new figures and they do. But at least to me, they don't really seem to put in the required effort of making some that are able to compete with what is currently on the market. If they know that Daz3d is going to make it more and more difficult for their figures to work with Poser, then they should release there own. They did release Paul and Pauline for Poser 11, but to be honest they are not really a competition to the current characters available and they keep releasing the same old figures each release.
Content matters for users and I personally used to be very excited whenever they released a new Poser version, to see these new figures, but it have not really kept up with what customers expect when seeing the new content i think, as if they are not really up to date with what content have already been available for a long time. As discussed with other people at RDNA, it can't really be that difficult to find or hire a good 3d modeller to make a couple of good characters, instead of releasing some semi bugged ones that are not really attractive to the majority. At least i think it would have a huge impact on Poser users. if people that used it, didn't really care for the genesis figures due to them being so difficult to use and simply used those that SM delivered instead. I really have had no good experience with the Genesis figures in Poser and think a lot of other users as well would also prefer being able to bypass them, but it requires that alternative figures exist and I think SM could easily combat Daz3d by doing that, instead of constantly having to play by their rules, but if they don't care to make characters that can compete, of course Daz3d will try to force people to come to them by supplying better content that are designed for their software and not poser, which makes sense i think.
toastie posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:51 AM
WandW posted at 11:44AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257162
Due to the no Linking Policy here:
Into your Browser's address bar type 'www.runtimedna.com'
then after this type '/downloads.php' then hit return
You will be prompted to login if you aren't already. Zip file links will be on the right; do a right-dlick>Save As to rename them to something understandable by Humans if needed...
Thanks for the info! I found my downloads again once I realised what was going on and got back to the normal website. No idea why it suddenly wanted to show me only the mobile site, but it was a very weird looking un-RDNAy thing! XD
I actually like some of the native Poser characters and use them. The main problem for me is that SM just releases them and abandons them. It's difficult to get very enthusiastic about a new character if all the content you have for them is converted old stuff from other figures or stuff you make yourself. I had hopes for Alyson & Ryan 2 because of Blackhearted's versions and Miki 4 is lovely. But - it's so much easier to just use V4 who has bucketloads of stuff anyway.
hornet3d posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:51 AM
3D-Mobster posted at 5:42PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257167
I, like some others, have invested too much in Poser to try and start all over again. I have gained a lot over the last ten years and although V4 is no longer my go to figure I am not about to dump Poser, which makes this move all the more important. What will happen to the support, limited I accept, to the figures that do not originate from Daz?
I understand that, but maybe some of the blame falls on SM as well i think. Each time they release a new version of Poser, they have the opportunity to do so with new figures and they do. But at least to me, they don't really seem to put in the required effort of making some that are able to compete with what is currently on the market. If they know that Daz3d is going to make it more and more difficult for their figures to work with Poser, then they should release there own. They did release Paul and Pauline for Poser 11, but to be honest they are not really a competition to the current characters available and they keep releasing the same old figures each release.
Content matters for users and I personally used to be very excited whenever they released a new Poser version, to see these new figures, but it have not really kept up with what customers expect when seeing the new content i think, as if they are not really up to date with what content have already been available for a long time. As discussed with other people at RDNA, it can't really be that difficult to find or hire a good 3d modeller to make a couple of good characters, instead of releasing some semi bugged ones that are not really attractive to the majority. At least i think it would have a huge impact on Poser users. if people that used it, didn't really care for the genesis figures due to them being so difficult to use and simply used those that SM delivered instead. I think Poser users wouldn't care to much about the genesis figures, I really have had no good experience with the Genesis figures in Poser and think a lot of other users as well would also prefer being able to bypass them, but it requires that alternative figures exist and I think SM could easily combat Daz3d by doing that, instead of constantly having to play by their rules, but if they don't care to make characters that can compete, of course Daz3d will try to force people to come to them by supplying better content, which makes sense i think.
There may well be some truth in what you say but to be honest I was not looking to blame someone I am just concerned that this move will impact those who use the figures that don't originate from Daz, or SM for that matter. There is a lot that found a home at RDNA and, again without trying to blame someone, I do not see it having much chance of making it to Daz. Dusk and Dawn have a home at Hivewire3D along with the rest of the Hivewire family but what about the other figures like Antonia Polygon, Michelle and the like. OK they have a small following but they do give some choice and I hate to see any choices taken away. What about the weight mapped V4 that was given to the community. I think it would be wrong for anyone to pocket from such products unless it is the people who put in the hard work and created it.
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3DFineries posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:52 AM
prixat posted at 11:51AM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257147
It's too much of a coincidence that e-bots seemed to have started working again. Obviously Renderosity engineered the whole thing to get Poser users back here! lol
E-bots have been working. Devs have been working on it for a while now. It's just coincidence, nothing 'engineered'.
Have a creative day!
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3D-Mobster posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 12:05 PM
There may well be some truth in what you say but to be honest I was not looking to blame someone...
Sorry, the "blame" stuff was not meant as if you were blaming someone. That was own view on you saying and a lot of others are not willing to give up Poser, but merely that if they did release new excellent characters with Poser, that people would most likely not care about these Genesis characters and therefore no reason to have a feeling of "giving" up on Poser. But can understand that you understood it as me referring to you. :D
These none SM/Daz3d figures should have a place as well, but I think it would be wrong for SM to not compete due to that. Because clearly Daz3D doesn't have any concerns about it and they are their main competition.
Cage posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 12:38 PM
hornet3d:
I have put in a query about the Poser Place projects which are hosted by RDNA. That's Antonia-WM, V4-WM, and the PP Applicator and Outfitter. The Poser Place group was also involved with getting Antonia-Standard together and arranging for its hosting at RDNA. I'm waiting for Traveler to respond to the questions in their FAQ before I contact the remaining PP team members to see if they have thoughts about what to do with those things.
We might be able to port the stuff to ShareCG or someplace, but ShareCG requires that the user posting an item be the creator of that item. All of the PP projects were collaborative, so I'm not sure how that would work out. I'm sure there are other options, perhaps including the Renderosity Free Stuff if Rosity is accommodating. BlueEcho has been activating the downloads for the old Antonia Free Site, so perhaps she could place the Antonia-related items there. These are community projects and resources, and we'll want to make sure they remain available.
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hornet3d posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 12:50 PM
3D-Mobster posted at 6:46PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257178
There may well be some truth in what you say but to be honest I was not looking to blame someone...
Sorry, the "blame" stuff was not meant as if you were blaming someone. That was own view on you saying and a lot of others are not willing to give up Poser, but merely that if they did release new excellent characters with Poser, that people would most likely not care about these Genesis characters and therefore no reason to have a feeling of "giving" up on Poser. But can understand that you understood it as me referring to you. :D
These none SM/Daz3d figures should have a place as well, but I think it would be wrong for SM to not compete due to that. Because clearly Daz3D doesn't have any concerns about it and they are their main competition.
It did not cross my mind for a minute that you accusing me of blaming someone, bad choice of words on my part. I have been critical of SM in the past as well and I agree with your comments, I guess I was just widening the scope by adding more aspects affected by this change. SM should compete, the more choice the better which is why this concerns me, on the face of it this reduces choice not enhances it.
I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.
hornet3d posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 12:50 PM
Cage posted at 6:50PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257184
hornet3d:
I have put in a query about the Poser Place projects which are hosted by RDNA. That's Antonia-WM, V4-WM, and the PP Applicator and Outfitter. The Poser Place group was also involved with getting Antonia-Standard together and arranging for its hosting at RDNA. I'm waiting for Traveler to respond to the questions in their FAQ before I contact the remaining PP team members to see if they have thoughts about what to do with those things.
We might be able to port the stuff to ShareCG or someplace, but ShareCG requires that the user posting an item be the creator of that item. All of the PP projects were collaborative, so I'm not sure how that would work out. I'm sure there are other options, perhaps including the Renderosity Free Stuff if Rosity is accommodating. BlueEcho has been activating the downloads for the old Antonia Free Site, so perhaps she could place the Antonia-related items there. These are community projects and resources, and we'll want to make sure they remain available.
Thanks for that, I will be interested in the answer when available.
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WandW posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 1:01 PM
3DFineries posted at 1:59PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257175
E-bots have been working. Devs have been working on it for a while now. It's just coincidence, nothing 'engineered'.
Actually, I haven't gotten any since 10:32 this morning, and I've posted since then... 
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galaxiefilm posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 1:17 PM
Previously, RorrKonn said: > If DAZ didn't bail Runtime out, Runtime would have closed there doors anyways.<
And there you have identified the crux of the matter. It's a shame, too.
I happily buy from everyone, including DAZ. But I have received my most valuable help from the truly wonderful people in the forums & on the staff both here at Renderosity and at Runtime.
While I wish the Runtime crew well, it looks to me like a matter of sitting back and sadly watching history repeat itself.
Agreed that Smith-Micro has been no saint either. However, like most of us in here, I have too much time & money invested in Poser and, frankly, I've found it to be a far more capable program (warts & all).
In my opinion, what DAZ really has to gain from this acquisition is just another means of hurting Poser and attempting to create a bigger monopoly. I happen to love Carrara, too, and have been terribly befuddled over why DAZ has allowed it and Hexagon to flounder. Would Eovia have gone under if DAZ hadn't bought them? Sometimes, company purchases like this are made not to necessarily acquire a product but to take it off the market.
Ironic that DAZ' very existence (as a Zygote spinoff) was because of Poser in the first place. But, in the blink of an eye, years have passed and things have changed.
Oh, and the irritation of having to install Runtime content though DAZ Install Manager now--oh, my! LOL!
I'm sorry, I agree that DAZ, like any entity, has the right to protect their content--but their sense of megalomaniacal control, of late, has become a bit much.
Redfern posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 1:26 PM
Maybe it's just be reorganized, but the "deep freeze" section is no longer listed and products that were listed within that section now display their original "list prices".
Maybe someone already noted this. If so, I apologize for repeating stated events.
Sincerely,
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RorrKonn posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 1:40 PM
With supply's n all ,good luck making a descent oil painting for under $200 or $300.Cost $$$ to make Art.No matter the medium.
DAZ's greatest competition is Blender ,Substance Live ,MudBox etc etc.
The stores/venders greatest down falls are no imagination n not keeping up . When you see a original 2016 game mesh that's never been seen before ,textured like you've never seen before. I don't know ,I would think sirens should go off screaming we need to make stuff like that.
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WandW posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 1:54 PM
galaxiefilm posted at 2:41PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257193
In my opinion, what DAZ really has to gain from this acquisition is just another means of hurting Poser and attempting to create a bigger monopoly. I happen to love Carrara, too, and have been terribly befuddled over why DAZ has allowed it and Hexagon to flounder. Would Eovia have gone under if DAZ hadn't bought them? Sometimes, company purchases like this are made not to necessarily acquire a product but to take it off the market.
I can't seem to find it, but Chris Creek did an interview at Hivewire last Summer where I recall him saying that DAZ did purchase Carrara and Hexagon to keep e-Frontier (who then owned Poser) from acquiring them. Of course DAZ did continue to develop Cararra until recently. (edit; to clarify, they may still be, but I've been waiting a long time to upgrade from Carrara 8.5 to 9...)
He also said that they at DAZ were truly frightened at the time by Content Paradise; old-timers will recall that one could buy most, if not all, of RDNA's and R'osity's catalogues there until SM took over and deemphasized CP in 2008...
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galaxiefilm posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 1:56 PM
Blender is a powerful program, RorrKonn. And no one can argue with its price.
But I don't believe I have enough days left in the rest of my life to tackle its interface.
Of course, if Kai Krause & crew cared to redesign it, well then...
IO4 posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 2:03 PM
galaxiefilm posted at 2:00PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257193 .
Oh, and the irritation of having to install Runtime content though DAZ Install Manager now--oh, my! LOL!
This is such a myth - I never use DIM - I install Poser stuff where I want it manually. You don't need DIM to install poser content in Daz Studio. Just extract the product zip to wherever is convenient then copy/move over the Runtime files to the Runtime folder in Daz Studio on your computer. Simple:)
RorrKonn posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 2:33 PM
galaxiefilm posted at 3:16PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257200
Blender is a powerful program, RorrKonn. And no one can argue with its price.
But I don't believe I have enough days left in the rest of my life to tackle its interface.
Of course, if Kai Krause & crew cared to redesign it, well then...
My bad ,I meant some one is going to use Blender ,Substance Live ,MudBox etc etc. To make killer original 2016 meshes that's never been seen before ,textured like you've never seen before. Those CGI Artist are the greatest threat to the venders ,including DAZ. cause at the end of the day DAZ is a vender.
I got Substance live not to long a go .I was terrorized .but little buy little I'm learning it. Blenders UI is ,well ,you get use to it in time. Houdini is very affordable also. They keep making killer CGI App's affordable :) I wish but there's no way to make them as easy as DAZ Poser .
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tonyvilters posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 2:34 PM
This "merge" only shows that the customers, the vendors, and ultimately the sites follow the better figures.
Everybody is loyal to the best figures, and this is NOT about what company or what app. It is ALL about who has the most attractive figures and thus creates the most income.
it is sad, but money talks.
EldritchCellar posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 2:46 PM
No matter what happens, as in all things, there will always be an underground. I'd wager that if Poser were to go kaput tomorrow, there would still be a dedicated circle of folks still using it for years to come. Look at Bryce or Carrara or Silo, etc. etc... Some people couldn't care less about all the trendy conformist drama and keeping up with the jones'. It's about the strange little dreams, making due, and necessity being the mother and whatnot.
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crashworship posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 2:48 PM
Merger... This ain't no merger. That's just a sugar coat. This is an acquisition. RDNA's owners clearly saw which way the 3D winds are blowing and set sail for the obviously brighter horizon. What's really interesting is that RDNA has been one of the few places that actually had aftermarket support for Poser's character content - aka Pauline and Paul, which are obviously just Dawn and Dusk renamed. On SM's Poser support page, the forums link took you to....RDNA as the official Poser forum. Anyone who doesn't see this and another indication that Poser is dying a slow death... well. I wonder how long DAZ Studio will continue to be offered free. DAZ has done everything right so far and SM...? Notsamuch.
adh3d posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 3:09 PM
Well, We can say is RDNA death, not Poser death at all, there are many people and artists that support Poser, and there is life after DAZ3d and their figures, just open the eyes.
I can make a list of more than 10 figures equal or even better than equivalent Daz figures along time , the only problem is that people don't know them or just They are blinded by the marketing, and this is the reason many vreators make content for DAZ figures, it is just a vicious circle
The only problem that Daz has to close this circle definitively is that Poser is much better than DStudio, even if they five it by free, people still buy Poser.
Said that, I have no problem with people using Daz Studio, it is just another option in the "market", the problem comes when DAZ3d try to close the other door, Poser, just because they cannot control that part of the cake.
Genesis and now this "merge" is just another step from Daz3d to get the entire cake, thing that can be logical for a bussines, but not good for the content buyers and creators.
Cage posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 3:23 PM
The official word is that Poser sales are still strong. Poser isn't in immediate danger. What does seem evident is that the various Poser marketplaces are having a harder time getting people to buy their stuff. Part of that is probably the flight of part of the Poser user base to D|S, but there may be other factors. Among them, the fact that recent Poser versions make it easier to convert existing content between figures.
I think maybe the people for whom Poser was all about buying stuff, always chasing the newest thing, have been disproportionately drawn away to Daz and D|S. There are plenty of Poser users remaining, but we're not the shoppers that those others are. Or something.
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EldritchCellar posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 3:26 PM
Well said cage. Maybe rendo can adopt DNA's thanks button?
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galaxiefilm posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 3:33 PM
WandW posted at 1:27PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257199
I can't seem to find it, but Chris Creek did an interview at Hivewire last Summer where I recall him saying that DAZ did purchase Carrara and Hexagon to keep e-Frontier (who then owned Poser) from acquiring them. Of course DAZ did continue to develop Cararra until recently. (edit; to clarify, they may still be, but I've been waiting a long time to upgrade from Carrara 8.5 to 9...)
He also said that they at DAZ were truly frightened at the time by Content Paradise; old-timers will recall that one could buy most, if not all, of RDNA's and R'osity's catalogues there until SM took over and deemphasized CP in 2008...
I very much wish that eFrontier had purchased it as there was always an intended connection between Carrara (RayDream) and Poser that was disrupted when MetaCreations sold off its programs.
It would have made more sense. But what's done is done. As I said above SM haven't exactly been saints either.
I know that people have tried to broker peace between SM and DAZ -- to no avail.
estherau posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 5:24 PM
Quote "Of course DAZ did continue to develop Cararra until recently. (edit; to clarify, they may still be, but I've been waiting a long time to upgrade from Carrara 8.5 to 9...)" Not exactly true. I owned carrara before they sold to daz. They had an active development forum. There was someone there called charles who frequently posted about issues with carrara, and then the issues got fixed. We communicated with the programers and it was great. The program constantly improved rapidly until daz took it over. Then it seemed to stop, then slowly did a few new things but very very little compared to previously. The renderer was very good. Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
toastie posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:00 PM
Yeah, one of the reasons probably for selling less Poser content is that it's not that hard to convert clothes between characters if you need to. I rarely even use clothes for the character they were designed for - I have some kind of compulsion to put them on something else XD Plus of course for a long time when there have been complaints about items not being available for less popular figures the response has been "learn to make your own" and maybe a lot of people have done this?
adh3d posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:08 PM
Don't forget Bryce, I never understand why DAZ bought Bryce to put it in a corner and let die, the potential of that tool was, and is , fantastic.
About the thank button, yes it would be a great add-on for the forums.
RobZhena posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:23 PM
It may be that the gain for DAZ and its users is that there is a dull sameness to the G3 characters (two of which from different vendors released recently at the same time on this very site looked like twins!). The RDNA crew is wonderful at crafting great characters. I actually like Pauline and am sad to see a site that supported her die.
toastie posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 7:27 PM
adh3d posted at 7:26PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257280
Don't forget Bryce, I never understand why DAZ bought Bryce to put it in a corner and let die, the potential of that tool was, and is , fantastic.
About the thank button, yes it would be a great add-on for the forums.
Absolutely. I'm sad about what happened to Bryce.
RorrKonn posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 8:42 PM
I remember when we had what was called med range app's there was truespace ,Cararra ,something soft ,not softimage. then LW dropped there price and the 3D wars started and the med range app's faded a way. Now there's Blender and Houdini n you can get LW at a low price also so ... I still model in the 12 year old C4D Basic 9 ,Don't fix it if it ant broke ;)
Vue didn't do Bryce no favors.
In the CGI universe DAZ Poser are plugs for main app's so DAZ could never have a monopoly on CGI .If Autodesk had a indie license they might monopolize CGI.
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RorrKonn posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 8:44 PM
tonyvilters posted at 9:44PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257207
This "merge" only shows that the customers, the vendors, and ultimately the sites follow the better figures.
Everybody is loyal to the best figures, and this is NOT about what company or what app. It is ALL about who has the most attractive figures and thus creates the most income.
it is sad, but money talks.
Preach the truth Brother !!!
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toastie posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 9:08 PM
Of course Vue is better, but Bryce is still fun. It's sad that it was left to die.
Still waiting for some info on what will happen to the official Poser (and Mangastudio!) forums and where the vendors will be going - who apparently had about the same amount of notice as everyone else for the merger! That seems very bad to me :(
Chaosophia posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:35 PM
What I really want to know is how are the vendors going to feel, when Daz tells them their content isn't up to par with their "Daz's" promos, and level of "quality" for the model itself. Not slamming the vendors at all, but if you have submitted content to Daz for vendoring, you know what I am talking about. RDNA is a bit more lax than Daz in the promo and content area.
RorrKonn posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:48 PM
run time forums are not going any where.
venders can sell there stuff at renderosity ,runtime ,daz ,hivewire ,turbosquid etc etc any where they want. if u don't like one store rules then there's plenty more to pic from.
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Chaosophia posted Wed, 24 February 2016 at 11:59 PM
I'm talking about the content going over to Daz's site. Is Daz allowing the same content as is, where promos and some models are concerned, or they just going to allow the stuff with higher end rendering to be viewed upon the site.
RorrKonn posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 2:05 AM
mahakali posted at 2:51AM Thu, 25 February 2016 - #4257319
I'm talking about the content going over to Daz's site. Is Daz allowing the same content as is, where promos and some models are concerned, or they just going to allow the stuff with higher end rendering to be viewed upon the site.
who said any thing about having to move content .why can't every thing stay on the site it's on just like it is .
but there's a DAZ AND RDNA MERGER FAQ I'd put you armor on before you go thou. ;) you know not having eBots really not the worst thing that can happen to forums.
You can always open your own store n make your own rules.
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Khory_D posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 2:23 AM
What gets moved over will move over as is I think. Many of the vendors from RDNA have stores at Daz already so they are aware of how things work. Anyone who feels wobbly starting out is sure to get plenty of offers of help. I'm not sure what the procedure will be if they want to update promos or products. It is a bit early to conjecture any way since I doubt if all of the Runtime folk have decided how they want to move forward.
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RorrKonn posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 2:31 AM
When I started CGI there was no such thing as forums. we had mailing list. I started in TrueSpace n Corel .Poser was my third CGI app. I no longer even need Corel or Photoshop. TrueSpace R.I.P. I don't use LW or zBrush much n countless plugins. I have 1000's in software n hardware that's collecting dust ,broke,out dated, etc etc.
My 2016 studio is nothing like my 1998 studio. Don't even have the same old lady. ;) Good bad or indifferent things change. But I promise you my 2016 studio is way better then my 1998 studio. It's my studio ,I control my studio ,No one tells me any different.They can have 3D Wars ,Mergers or what ever they want. But they can't harm my studio.
I know a lot are concerned about the latest merger but it's there merger not yours ,So they can't harm you.
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crashworship posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 9:56 AM
tonyvilters posted at 9:37AM Thu, 25 February 2016 - #4257207
This "merge" only shows that the customers, the vendors, and ultimately the sites follow the better figures.
Everybody is loyal to the best figures, and this is NOT about what company or what app. It is ALL about who has the most attractive figures and thus creates the most income.
it is sad, but money talks.
I would argue that quality is doing the talking here. Sure, Poser itself is my preferred posing platform but I've abandoned it because I've consistently had multiple problems making Genesis and Genesis 2 work and because Genesis 3 isn't compatible at all and these figures are clearly superior to anything that SM has offered up to and including Pauline and Paul which are clearly just Dawn and Dusk renamed and bundled with Poser 11. There are numerous threads here and in other 3D forums, including RDNA and DAZ's own community forums site wanting for and trying to get Genesis 3 compatibility for Poser and others trying to figure out workarounds to make it work. Repeatedly, SM's reps here and elsewhere claim that this is all on DAZ and only DAZ can make Genesis 3 compatible with Poser. I have a really, really hard time buying that. Since I've abandoned using Poser for this issue and I've got over a decade of Poser compatible content in my various libraries, I've had absolutely no problem getting that content, including Poser native character figures, props, scenes, etc, to work in DAZ Studio Pro. None whatsoever. SM's Poser developers write their software and they're trying to convince their customers that they are completely helpless when it comes to DAZ Genesis 3 compatibility in Poser? Please. They can clearly write Genesis 3 compatibility into their software. DAZ's developers don't seem to have much difficulty in writing compatibility of Poser's content in Studio. Smith Micro has a lot of different types of software products, archivers, utilities, graphics, blah blah blah. DAZ does mostly one thing: 3D. Obviously Smith Micro just doesn't care enough to support Poser. If it goes down, they've got other stuff they can make money from.
Ultimately Poser's best hope for survival is for it to be spun off or sold and simply abandoned and made open source which would ultimately be the best solution for the 3D community. But don't ever expect SM to ever truly support its Poser customers. In the end, they really just don't need us all that much.
3DFineries posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 11:37 AM
Check out this thread HERE if you want Gen3 to work in Poser. Thankfully, it has been done & to top it all off it's FREE!
Have a creative day!
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Cage posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 1:26 PM
Traveler addresses the question about Poser community projects hosted by RDNA, in their merger FAQ thread:
Q: What will be happening to the Poser community projects that RDNA has been hosting? Will Antonia, Antonia-WM, V4-WM, and the Poser Place Applicator and Outfitter scripts lose their hosting?"
A: We welcome the Poser and other forums/projects to continue to function as they are. We do not plan to shut them down so long as they provide value to the community and as long as they remain positive and civil.
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Cage can be an opinionated jerk who posts without thinking. He apologizes for this. He's honestly not trying to be a turkeyhead.
Cage had some freebies, compatible with Poser 11 and below. His Python scripts were saved at archive.org, along with the rest of the Morphography site, where they were hosted.
RorrKonn posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 4:34 PM
crashworship post a solid wire frame of Pauline so I can see the topology.
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shvrdavid posted Thu, 25 February 2016 at 9:22 PM
crashworship posted at 9:09PM Thu, 25 February 2016 - #4257412
...including Pauline and Paul which are clearly just Dawn and Dusk renamed and bundled with Poser 11.
This says it all folks,
You probably don't even have P11, Pauline, Paul. I wonder if you even have Dawn at this point. The wire frames are not anything alike, in any way. I know this because I did a lot of work on Dawn for SR1 and have completely re rigged Pauline. IE, I actually use the figures in question, look at them in wire frame view, and have done everything I could do to improve them for the community.
You apparently don't do anything other than spew....
If you had a clue about what you spew, you would be dangerous.........
Actually you are dangerous, because you spread dis information everywhere you go........
Pauline is on the left, Dawn is on the right. If those look the same to you I don't know what to tell you......................
Mods, feel free to delete this post, and if you decide to do that delete all the disinformation in this thread as well. You can do a lot of that in one click and simply delete the whole thread.
Some things are easy to explain, other things are not........ <- Store -> <-Freebies->
EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 1:14 AM
I'm not seeing any written requirements that anyone have or use any particular figure (or even any figure at all) or any specific version of Poser to be a serious and dedicated Poser user.
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 1:26 AM
I'm also not seeing enough misinformation (I prefer to think of it mostly as concerned speculation) to warrant deletion of anything. Of course a fascist might see it differently. The answer is simple, DNA sold out. Literally. Nothing wrong with that I suppose from a pragmatic standpoint. Funny how artist's aren't known generally for pragmatism though.
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 1:38 AM
shvrdavid Thanks for the .jpg :)
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 1:39 AM
EldritchCellar posted at 2:39AM Fri, 26 February 2016 - #4257548
I'm also not seeing enough misinformation (I prefer to think of it mostly as concerned speculation) to warrant deletion of anything. Of course a fascist might see it differently. The answer is simple, DNA sold out. Literally. Nothing wrong with that I suppose from a pragmatic standpoint. Funny how artist's aren't known generally for pragmatism though.
RorrKonn goes n looks up the definition of pragmatism ;)
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 1:44 AM
Jeez, those are some seriously liberal lash transmap planes on Dawn. Interesting topology on both those meshes.
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 2:32 AM
EldritchCellar posted at 3:29AM Fri, 26 February 2016 - #4257553
Jeez, those are some seriously liberal lash transmap planes on Dawn. Interesting topology on both those meshes.
Maybe they where wishing she would be in a Robin Gibb Video
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hornet3d posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 4:37 AM
shvrdavid posted at 10:34AM Fri, 26 February 2016 - #4257528
crashworship posted at 9:09PM Thu, 25 February 2016 - #4257412
...including Pauline and Paul which are clearly just Dawn and Dusk renamed and bundled with Poser 11.
This says it all folks,
You probably don't even have P11, Pauline, Paul. I wonder if you even have Dawn at this point. The wire frames are not anything alike, in any way. I know this because I did a lot of work on Dawn for SR1 and have completely re rigged Pauline. IE, I actually use the figures in question, look at them in wire frame view, and have done everything I could do to improve them for the community.
You apparently don't do anything other than spew....
If you had a clue about what you spew, you would be dangerous.........
Actually you are dangerous, because you spread dis information everywhere you go........
Pauline is on the left, Dawn is on the right. If those look the same to you I don't know what to tell you......................
Mods, feel free to delete this post, and if you decide to do that delete all the disinformation in this thread as well. You can do a lot of that in one click and simply delete the whole thread.
Thank you for putting the factual side, I suspected that the claim was wrong but I could not prove it as I have Dawn but not Pauline. I can understand there is a lot of speculation and some very upset people but I do think we should try and differentiate between what is speculation and what is fact.
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3DFineries posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 5:35 AM
It's more their opinion than misinformation. Please, though keep it civil so I don't have to close this thread as this merger is important to the community as a whole.
Have a creative day!
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EClark1894 posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:18 AM
3DFineries posted at 8:10AM Fri, 26 February 2016 - #4257575
It's more their opinion than misinformation. Please, though keep it civil so I don't have to close this thread as this merger is important to the community as a whole.
Not really, in the larger scheme of things, basically nothing more will change than where we tend to shop or post. RDNA's departure doesn't affect my use of Poser or what figures I use one whit. My only real regrets are that I lose access to the Deep Freeze and Real Deal items. On the brighter side, Renderosity and Hivewire will both pick up a few more steady customers, and posters in the forums. Sadly, I won't be one of the steady posters, at least not in the Poser forums, primarily because of trolls like crashworship, and basic indifference of the site owners.
EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:30 AM
"but I do think we should try and differentiate between what is speculation and what is fact."
I read crashworship's statement as not literal. Because, well, anybody can see that Dawn and Pauline are not the same figures. Or at least I had thought that anybody could see that. ;)
(Entire paragraphs deleted for civilities sake)... and then they come crawling back to rendo with a bunch of self serving, for-appearances-sake, rationalizations. And that's no more "troll like" than saying I dislike Broccoli.
Now for some conspiracy theories... Anybody think It's a little strange that rendo ebots start working, rdna becomes daz, cgbytes opens its doors, and genesis 3 starts working in poser coincided almost exactly?
Yup. Poser Illuminati. :D
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:35 AM
None of which sarcasm was aimed at you clarkie, lest you misunderstand my posts timing. I can see how that could be misread.
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WandW posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:35 AM
hornet3d posted at 8:26AM Fri, 26 February 2016 - #4257188
Cage posted at 6:50PM Wed, 24 February 2016 - #4257184
hornet3d:
I have put in a query about the Poser Place projects which are hosted by RDNA. That's Antonia-WM, V4-WM, and the PP Applicator and Outfitter. The Poser Place group was also involved with getting Antonia-Standard together and arranging for its hosting at RDNA. I'm waiting for Traveler to respond to the questions in their FAQ before I contact the remaining PP team members to see if they have thoughts about what to do with those things.
This is what is on the updated merger FAQ, which of course I can't Link to. (BTW, at the DAZ Poser Forum, I linked to the Genesis 3 tool available here the other day with out issue) From Traveler:
_Q: What will be happening to the Poser community projects that RDNA has been hosting? Will Antonia, Antonia-WM, V4-WM, and the Poser Place Applicator and Outfitter scripts lose their hosting?"
A: We welcome the Poser and other forums/projects to continue to function as they are. We do not plan to shut them down so long as they provide value to the community and as long as they remain positive and civil._
And why is italicising text such a royal PAIN IN THE BUTT HERE. And I got unsubscibed from this thread!! THIS FORUM IS S**T!!!! 
EDIT; turns out this is a crosspost, because the fourth page wasn't shown for some reason. What a freaking WASTE OF MY TIME!!
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:39 AM
That's troll like behavior. Lol.
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WandW posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:45 AM
This Forum Software would drive Gandhi under the Bridge... 
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 8:09 AM
That's an interesting minds eye render you just painted there WandW. :)
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WandW posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 8:40 AM
This might be my next avatar...
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 8:43 AM
:D
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 1:06 PM
EldritchCellar posted at 1:38PM Fri, 26 February 2016 - #4257585
Now for some conspiracy theories... Anybody think It's a little strange that rendo ebots start working, rdna becomes daz, cgbytes opens its doors, and genesis 3 starts working in poser coincided almost exactly?
If it gets the eBots working ... Drag the ancient aliens in to the conspiracy .
I barley know who owns what or where they are.
SmithMicro owns Poser .have no idea where they live
DAZ owns DAZ guess there in Utah
Criss owns HiveWire guess there in Utah
I thought Poser owned Runtime but apparently not. have no idea where they live.
first I herd of cgbytes
I think Renderosity is part of a big company that does every thing something like Smith Micro.have no idea where they live
Any one care to correct me or fill in the blanks ?
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KristiS posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 1:33 PM
Renderosity is a sister company of Bondware (website hosting and developing). We are in Murfreesboro TN
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Boni posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 3:30 PM
The Poser team is in a small town near San Jose/Santa Cruz CA.
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Jules53757 posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 5:25 PM
And the Mods and coords are spread all over the globe ;)
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 5:53 PM
A lot of my kin drives trucks. Decades a go we left the east cost that was cold n snowing we got to orange county Ca. Wasn't there but a few hours and a 8. earth quake hit. If your going to get stuck somewhere ,Ca. a good place to be stuck at. nice weather n always something to do .
Very friendly people in Tennessee . Always enjoy going to the Smoky Mountains. Nashville's got some good tunes . I lived in Kingsport for a while when I was a kid.
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 6:04 PM
I lived in San Francisco for about 11 years. Was born on the east coast. Returned to the east coast. Guess this topic has run its course. I'm sure there's some vendors that are rather surprised to suddenly find themselves at Daz...
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:19 PM
EldritchCellar posted at 8:01PM Fri, 26 February 2016 - #4257728
I lived in San Francisco for about 11 years. Was born on the east coast. Returned to the east coast. Guess this topic has run its course. I'm sure there's some vendors that are rather surprised to suddenly find themselves at Daz...
California or snow ? California wins every time ;)
Even the official FAQ thread is slowing down. It's been 4 days.
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EldritchCellar posted Fri, 26 February 2016 at 7:28 PM
Sixus1 had some interesting things to say about the whole thing on Facebook Poser group. I thought his commentary was very thoughtful, that guy's a pro.
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shvrdavid posted Sat, 27 February 2016 at 1:30 AM
3DFineries posted at 12:19AM Sat, 27 February 2016 - #4257575
It's more their opinion than misinformation
Wow, really?
I said disinformation, which is not the same as misinformation.
Words like "clearly" in a blanket statement can lead many people into thinking that it is a fact. Disinformation is defined as an act of deception; ie: false statements to convince someone else of an untruth.
It amazes me that when users continue to do this, they are often defended for there actions. There are two ends of the spectrum when it comes to the forums. Those that do whatever they can to improve the community, the content, etc. And the people that do nothing but bash and spread disinformation. I called one of them out, because statements like that are not helping Poser, any community, the topic of the dam thread, etc.
Yes Daz and Runtime are now one. People need to get over it already. It is not the end of the world and the sun will come up tomorrow. The merger is not that dam important to the community, it is just that the community makes it appear it is. Call it a form of entitlement.
But instead, lets just turn every thread into a nightmare of disinformation, just because. Lets support disinformation and ruin yet another community. Allow the spewers to run off the doers. It makes perfect sense in an imperfect world doesn't it?.
Wow, why in the hell would anyone want to ruin the communities by doing that? I don't have a clue why. But it obviously works well for the spewers.
Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I can respect that. But when people resort to disinformation to push an agenda, I draw the line. Respect is something that is earned, not bought with disinformation. You don't have to do much to earn it, but disinformation will burn it quick.
Forum users are guests. And at this point there will be one less doer too put up with your spewers. I will just lurk and watch, there is obviously no reason to do anything more at this point. Soon you wont have many doers left, but lots of spewers when this place suffers the same fate.
But you don't have to believe me about any of this, What would I know about any of this that you don't?
As usual, feel free to delete this post, my account, and every post I ever put on this site. My efforts to the communities are obviously far outweighed by the protection of the spewers. This seems to be a vicious pattern and many of the doers have left and it just hasn't sunk in yet, has it.........
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judee3d posted Sat, 27 February 2016 at 3:05 AM
is there any way to follow a thread without replying?
IsaoShi posted Sat, 27 February 2016 at 3:47 AM
judee3d posted at 9:40AM Sat, 27 February 2016 - #4257806
is there any way to follow a thread without replying?
Well... there is a subscribe button up top, but as far as I am aware the notifications on this site are still broken so it's a bit pointless clicking it.
Edit: I read a few posts back that the ebots are now working again. But that might just be misinformation. :)
By the way, your www.tuitzone.com link just goes to a domain parking page.
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Cage posted at 12:55PM Sat, 27 February 2016 - #4257452
Traveler addresses the question about Poser community projects hosted by RDNA, in their merger FAQ thread:
Q: What will be happening to the Poser community projects that RDNA has been hosting? Will Antonia, Antonia-WM, V4-WM, and the Poser Place Applicator and Outfitter scripts lose their hosting?"
A: We welcome the Poser and other forums/projects to continue to function as they are. We do not plan to shut them down so long as they provide value to the community and as long as they remain positive and civil.
Thank you Cage for this info. This should have been said top line first post in bold capitals!!! Message to be conveyed was thus simply that RDNA will discontinue their brokerage activities by end 2016 and found DAZ willing to take over and provide post download service. RDNA forum and gallery will continue as usual.
3DFineries posted Sat, 27 February 2016 at 6:46 AM
I'm not defending anyone, shvrdavid. I call it opinion, you call it disinformation & that's fine. Was no reason to get your feathers in a ruffle because I was stating my opinion. I happen to agree with you that everyone should get over it already. Everyone is taking all this way too personally.
We're not turning our heads either. I've been keeping an eye on this thread so it doesn't take the wrong path. We let this thread go so folks didn't feel censored, so they could express their concerns, state their opinions, and so we could politely discuss this because it's important to the community. If it continues to turn south it will get locked.
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Boni posted Sat, 27 February 2016 at 7:23 AM
We have a lot of heightened emotions here. We are not enemies. We are part of the same community. Take a deep breath everyone. We can vent a bit, but let's not take it out on each other. We all have our own way of expressing ourselves and using language ... and some use it differently than others. ... so please be kind. We are in this together.
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patorak3d posted Tue, 01 March 2016 at 3:31 PM
Boni posted at 3:30PM Tue, 01 March 2016 - #4257833
We have a lot of heightened emotions here. We are not enemies. We are part of the same community. Take a deep breath everyone. We can vent a bit, but let's not take it out on each other. We all have our own way of expressing ourselves and using language ... and some use it differently than others. ... so please be kind. We are in this together.
...and together we'll get through this.
EClark1894 posted Thu, 03 March 2016 at 11:47 AM
Boni posted at 12:46PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4257833
We have a lot of heightened emotions here. We are not enemies. We are part of the same community. Take a deep breath everyone. We can vent a bit, but let's not take it out on each other. We all have our own way of expressing ourselves and using language ... and some use it differently than others. ... so please be kind. We are in this together.
No, you have a lot of trolls that like to stir things up. That's one of the reasons why I stopped posting here so much.
Kendra posted Thu, 03 March 2016 at 1:15 PM
On the bottom of each post is a button for reporting posts that violate the TOS.
...... Kendra
EClark1894 posted Thu, 03 March 2016 at 4:19 PM
Kendra posted at 5:17PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4259089
On the bottom of each post is a button for reporting posts that violate the TOS.
Who said a troll has to violate TOS to make posting in a forum unpleasant?
RorrKonn posted Thu, 03 March 2016 at 4:28 PM
EClark1894 posted at 5:27PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4259119
Kendra posted at 5:17PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4259089
On the bottom of each post is a button for reporting posts that violate the TOS.
Who said a troll has to violate TOS to make posting in a forum unpleasant?
EClark1894 don't let the trolls win .there's a ignore button also
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RorrKonn posted Fri, 04 March 2016 at 12:46 AM
Renderosity needs a runtime's refuges sell. life jackets ,compose ,rope ,coat ,cloths ,matches ,long legged blond with big blue eyes ,to keep ya warm ;) Every thing one needs after a disaster.
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hornet3d posted Fri, 04 March 2016 at 3:37 AM
RorrKonn posted at 9:32AM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259184
Renderosity needs a runtime's refuges sell. life jackets ,compose ,rope ,coat ,cloths ,matches ,long legged blond with big blue eyes ,to keep ya warm ;) Every thing one needs after a disaster.
That might help as, at the moment, not many of the RDNA refuges appear to be swimming in this direction. I have seem many elsewhere but not here and that also highlights another point, the statement that the RDNA forum and galleries will run as before. That might well be the intention but that clearly is not what is going to happen, already many have downloaded their orders, deleted their galleries and moved to a new home. If it keeps going at this rate Daz will not need to shut down the RDNA forums and galleries, they will shut themselves.
I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.
3DFineries posted Fri, 04 March 2016 at 4:11 AM
EClark1894 posted at 4:11AM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259119
Kendra posted at 5:17PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4259089
On the bottom of each post is a button for reporting posts that violate the TOS.
Who said a troll has to violate TOS to make posting in a forum unpleasant?
Trolling is violating the TOS.
Have a creative day!
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RobZhena posted Fri, 04 March 2016 at 8:11 AM
hornet3d posted at 9:10AM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259194
RorrKonn posted at 9:32AM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259184
Renderosity needs a runtime's refuges sell. life jackets ,compose ,rope ,coat ,cloths ,matches ,long legged blond with big blue eyes ,to keep ya warm ;) Every thing one needs after a disaster.
That might help as, at the moment, not many of the RDNA refuges appear to be swimming in this direction. I have seem many elsewhere but not here and that also highlights another point, the statement that the RDNA forum and galleries will run as before. That might well be the intention but that clearly is not what is going to happen, already many have downloaded their orders, deleted their galleries and moved to a new home. If it keeps going at this rate Daz will not need to shut down the RDNA forums and galleries, they will shut themselves.
Where are they headed?
Kendra posted Fri, 04 March 2016 at 2:36 PM
EClark1894 posted at 12:34PM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259119
Who said a troll has to violate TOS to make posting in a forum unpleasant?
Well, we can't control "unpleasant" and everyone's idea of that will be different. If someone is violating the TOS however, and as 3DFineries stated, trolling is a violation as are personal attacks... that we can do something about.
...... Kendra
RorrKonn posted Fri, 04 March 2016 at 8:37 PM
RobZhena posted at 9:22PM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259216
hornet3d posted at 9:10AM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259194
RorrKonn posted at 9:32AM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259184
Renderosity needs a runtime's refuges sell. life jackets ,compose ,rope ,coat ,cloths ,matches ,long legged blond with big blue eyes ,to keep ya warm ;) Every thing one needs after a disaster.
That might help as, at the moment, not many of the RDNA refuges appear to be swimming in this direction. I have seem many elsewhere but not here and that also highlights another point, the statement that the RDNA forum and galleries will run as before. That might well be the intention but that clearly is not what is going to happen, already many have downloaded their orders, deleted their galleries and moved to a new home. If it keeps going at this rate Daz will not need to shut down the RDNA forums and galleries, they will shut themselves.
Where are they headed?
Everyone is signed up on all the forums ,there's even a identical post here and at runtime. and all the forums have a Daz and Runtime Merging thread. actually a lot of the post are the same concept . what hair or panties are these and where to get them. what's a good PC. this vs that what ever etc etc .it gets a bit redundant.
I really really really hate censorship. Renderosity is the coolest site.
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