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[i'm] still a V4 girl myself... [and a few other older models if desired at any given mo']

Sure, I am using the Aiko4 morph of V4.

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Survey the market place here to get an Idea how much V4 is in use still.

V4 ,like poser itself, is dead and buried to me personally .

However amongst those people who use poser as their only figure program you will find alot of V4 usage so new content for the figure is still in demand somewhat.

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yes i use V4 and her Aiko sister so content for V4 A4 is good

V4 and I, till death do us part!

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I use V4 and also V3 and V2, with subdivision and SSS they look still great.

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I wish they would just stick to one goddamn base model. All those new Victorias for Genesis is so f***** unnecessary. It's like they can't just make ONE SUPERIOR version of her with everything corrected, no we need a V5, V6, V7, and soon there will be a V8. It's the same with the others too like David, Stephanie, Aiko, etc all new versions that come out like yearly with a new high price tag slapped on them with barely any new features. So yes I'm glad V4 is still around, I have no plans to switch over to Genesis and unfortunately that's upsetting that they would neglect a new base model for Poser since Daz is free, and Poser isn't. And there are always new versions of Poser coming out. I will switch to Genesis only because of the monster models I've seen that I want to use, and they have way more male stuff too for Genesis compared to M4 which is still lacking clothes and figures..

Cyberdene posted at 6:08AM Wed, 18 May 2016 - #4269534

I wish they would just stick to one goddamn base model. All those new Victorias for Genesis is so f***** unnecessary. It's like they can't just make ONE SUPERIOR version of her with everything corrected, no we need a V5, V6, V7, and soon there will be a V8. It's the same with the others too like David, Stephanie, Aiko, etc all new versions that come out like yearly with a new high price tag slapped on them with barely any new features. So yes I'm glad V4 is still around, I have no plans to switch over to Genesis and unfortunately that's upsetting that they would neglect a new base model for Poser since Daz is free, and Poser isn't. And there are always new versions of Poser coming out. I will switch to Genesis only because of the monster models I've seen that I want to use, and they have way more male stuff too for Genesis compared to M4 which is still lacking clothes and figures..

Actually there are different and newer models, as each generation they add new features and improve on he previous model, just like any other product like computers, cars, gaming systems, phones, etc. I doubt people would actually pay full price for a car that still used regular gasoline and had an eight-track tape system in it these days, when other cars use unleaded and have CD and iPhone/bluetooth connections would they? ;)

That said to the OP, yes people still use V4. The issue however that vendors are running into is people not BUYING V4 products, so don't expect to make the money you may have years ago, thus why you see the store shifted the way it is now. As wolf said, it's not too hard to survey the marketplace to see what's selling rather than asking forum users. You've been doing this long enough to know not to ask forum users for selling advice. (And you should be emailing Antonio anyway and he would have told you the same thing ;) )

Hi Trekkie!! I use V4 A LOT. I am making new characters for her myself.

I would like to add, this is a sensitive subject for some. Let's try to keep it civil. We needn't start bashing models, either V4 or the newer generations.

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Yes! Absolutely! 'Cheating' on Vicky Fourpointtwoplusplus is unthinkable. There's also the matter of her sizable wardrobe which I've invested in over the years. If my real world wife was as high maintenance as Vicky, I'd be a pauper. Despite the hysterical arm waving of the Daz fanboys, Vicky still works (and looks) great. Heck, even Vicky Three can hold her own id one has the skills. In another forum we have a Vicky Three thread on the go and some of the renders are just as good (if not better) than some of the Genesis Three stuff I've seen.
A development to watch is the upcoming 'Project E' from the amazingly talented Erogenesis. She will be compatible with Vicky Four characters and clothes and will...well follow her story on CGBytes. If you're going to make clothes for her, then I'd suggest that you fill in the gaps in her wardrobe and not cover the same ground. She has a million bikinis and skimpy outfits. A modern woman like Vicky needs a variety of business outfits. How about some good formal outfits. So many of the offerings are 'goofy' and don't really resemble clothing that a real person would wear. Fashion websites are full of beautiful gowns that can provide some inspiration.

No i don't use V4. I am waiting for a figure to be released, that let me use Poser again.

Any of the victoria models V1,V2,V4,V4 are still viable if they and their existing content enables one to acheive one's creative objectives.

But as Male_M3dia correctly stated, merchants or potential merchants should consider the reality that V4 usage is likely on the decline as users migrate to the new models & content.

After spending hundreds of dollars on V4 over the years, doing it all over again at three times the price seems stupid. Some of the clothes for V7 almost costs as much as the real thing. While I can appreciate the improvements to any program over time there comes a time when the investment out weights the benefits. I wish these two camps would come together at some point, but sadly I don't see that happening. For myself it's not just the investment in content but also the program itself. For me Poser is a lot nicer to work with and has become like a good friend.

"After spending hundreds of dollars on V4 over the years, doing it all over again at three times the price seems stupid."

Music Lovers have bought the same beatles songs on Eight track ,vinyl, cassette tape,sony mini-disc CD and now online streaming subscription fees . all because content delivery formats have changed with advances in technology.

The samecould be said of movie buffs.

** "I wish these two camps would come together at some point, "**

Dead issue.....quite DEAD ,Daz has moved on to a different technology that is serving their customers and their business model There is no logical business need to return to human figure technology of the past.

** "For me Poser is a lot nicer to work with and has become like a good friend."**

As an animator its just the opposite.

Poser is like the Old "friend" who came calling every few years asking for money yet never really offered me anything new in the area I needed him most- Character Animation tools!! So Ive "dumped" my old friend and moved on to where my needs are being met

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Just my two cents... I still use V4, in fact I only just started using her as a base for an older version of kate.

Probably just me, but I want models with clothes and accessories that are made for them. I don't want to fit them, change them (much) tweak them etc. I just want something that works and I don't mind paying for them.

I see some things for paul and pauline. Nice models, but not really impressed by what's available. Yes, they're new, but I can't wait for them to catch up with clothes that I need. That's why I like V4 and even M4. They have a lot of stuff made for them now.

It would be great if you could just pick a model in the store and see all things made for that model. I have done searches for V4 or Victoria, and that works most of the time, but not always. It would be even nicer to have a comparison of models and a list of clothes for each model so you could pick the model with the most accessories available for whatever project it is you are doing.

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Hi TrekkieGirl - long time, no see. Glad you are back.

We had a survey thread here last month - turns out that almost all (over 92%) Poser users here are using Poser 9+ or later (38%+ on Poser 11 or Pro 11 alone). It's a pity that the same can't be said of vendors - most seem to be hell bent on staying with Poser 7 - I actually had a vendor tell me that they didn't have time to learn the features of Poser 9, while working on a product for Dawn - a figure that needs Poser 9 or later.

V4/M4 is the lingua franca of the Poserverse. A better question would be - do people still use a Poser 4 workflow, or have they joined the 21st Century? Vendors don't know when I buy a V4 outfit if it will ever be worn by V4, and I have many that haven't. It doesn't actually take much work (5 minutes or so) to refit a V4/M4 outfit to any other figure. Poser has a wide variety of methods, depending on which version of Poser they are using (Fitting Room, Wardrobe Wizard, or Xdresser).

Another thing to consider is how V4 (or any other figure) is used - If the user is running a WM and/or subdivided version of a legacy figure (which can be done in just a couple of minutes) - they have the same bending capability of a modern figure (Daz or otherwise), so it simply boils down to personal preference and content purchased. Problematic legacy figures are no longer problems when using a modern version of Poser.

A major factor I consider when purchasing content is how much work I need to do to convert a product made to Poser 4/7 standards to use in Poser 11. Example - if the vendor is too lazy to create material .mc6 files (a requirement for selling here that isn't enforced), that product needs to be at least 50% off before I would even look at it, much less buy it. I would say that it is costing them sales. Except for shoes - that is the one place that conversion isn't quite there yet.

In my case, I use every figure I have. I like variety, and limiting myself to 1 mesh is too limiting. It's been my observation over the years that most vendors characters look like siblings - buy 1 or 2 from each, and you pretty much have every character they ever make. I get around this by using many meshes. Most newer meshes only have a dozen or so vendors making content for them, which is another limiting factor.

OTOH, V4/M4 have several orders of magnitude of content available to them than newer figures - thousands of outfits in the case of V4 vs dozens for any figure NOT named V4 (that includes the g figures, btw); hundreds of outfits for M4 vs a dozen or so for any male figure NOT named M4.

With my Star Trek (TOS) comic I am working on, my main (humanoid) figures are the SM characters (P6 and up - I have more figures for them than were ever made for the newer figures). I also like normal sized people. - It doesn't matter if they are Dawn, Kez, Pauline, etc; everybody is wearing V4 Courageous/M4 Valiant outfits, with TOS textures - heavily modified by me.

I don't use DSON - it's more trouble than it is worth. It's (much) easier to export out a g figure as a Poser native figure and swap DS WM for Poser's WM (5 minute process, if you set up your DS content rationally. I exported the genesis 1 figure for use for aliens (genesis 1 & DarioFish's aliens rock!) and the genesis 2 series for "red shirts". You can actually end up with a nice, light weight (80Mb) figure - not much native content of course, but I'm the very model of a modern Poser user - easy fix. At 70% off MSRP, they are worth fooling with (if it isn't on sale in Fast Grab, wait a week or two, it will be) - otherwise, it's a TCO fail - especially the "iconic shapes" - they are made for people that can't do math.

Glad you're back. :) I certainly still use V4, I'm too invested not to.

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It's (much) easier to export out a g figure as a Poser native figure and swap DS WM for Poser's WM (5 minute process, if you set up your DS content rationally. I exported the genesis 1 figure for use for aliens (genesis 1 & DarioFish's aliens rock!) and the genesis 2 series for "red shirts". You can actually end up with a nice, light weight (80Mb) figure - not much native content of course, but I'm the very model of a modern Poser user - easy fix. At 70% off MSRP, they are worth fooling with (if it isn't on sale in Fast Grab, wait a week or two, it will be)"

As a sci fi/comic book nerd, I have found the Genesis aliens by Dariofish incredibly useful as well.

You (like myself) are willing to put in some actual creative effort and use existing technology to make use of figure assets in the final render environment of your choosing that achieves your creative objectives.

In my case that is Maxon Cinema4D.

C4D has ZERO actual support for the Daz genesis figures much less animated ones yet here they are( link below) all Genesis2 figures ( except the bad guys) easily rendered in Maxon C4D as .obj files being driven by External MDD files exported from Daz studio

But the reality is that the great majority of poser users simply want a poser native perfect female that can be all things and does not require any usage of other programs not even for a quick export as you and I do from DS.

This is not a criticism just an observable fact.

This is what has given V4 this unnaturally long life as the primary poser figure. and she will not be abandoned my most until the arrival of a universally accepted and superior POSER NATIVE female..perhaps project E?? time will tell.

I still use V4 in PoserPro 2014 -- waiting for a really good sale to come along so I can upgrade to version 11 -- but not exactly as V4. "She" in most cases gets modded with Mike's morphs and skins so anything I buy for "her" at full price has to be able to work on "him" with minimal fuss. I know it's much easier to work that way on the Genesis models in Daz Studio but for now I don't have that option. I'm waiting until they get the font sizes issue sorted since I can't see the DS interface very well. Recently I have even bought things for M3 and Ichiro 2, so I'd say there's still a bit of life left in the old figures yet.

But the reality is that the great majority of poser users simply want a poser native perfect female that can be all things and does not require any usage of other programs not even for a quick export as you and I do from DS.

I used to think that, but I don't any longer; the data (such as it is & what there is of it) doesn't support that. In the same survey, over 67% had a Pro version of Poser. They aren't buying the Pro versions just to Load, Conform, and Make Art.

This is what has given V4 this unnaturally long life as the primary poser figure. and she will not be abandoned my most until the arrival of a universally accepted and superior POSER NATIVE female..perhaps project E?? time will tell.

At least for me V4 and M4 are a good mixture between speed and quality. I have played around with the DSON import, but honestly I haven't had any good experience with it. Most the times i have to restart Poser because it gets screwed up due to it also I find most the characters to be slow to work with, which quickly annoys me, I like the characters and all, but I think its to much problems getting it to work correctly with Poser and having read the guide on Daz3D on DSON didn't help anything, I personally don't think these figures are worth the trouble for the images i make and as someone already mentioned if you need a high resolution human mesh, you can do that by simply go Figure -> Skinning method -> Poser Unimesh and just increase the subdivision level.

So a mixture of people having a lot of content for V4, but also I think a lot of people have problems with the genesis characters (especially the new ones) when using poser and personally i think its sad that the users are caught up in this "battle" between Poser and Daz3d that it have a negative impact on the experience that they have using these programs.

"In the same survey, over 67% had a Pro version of Poser. They aren't buying the Pro versions just to Load, Conform, and Make Art."

No they are not.

But they dont seem willing to immerse themselves in Daz studio in the way you have described your process that is my observation.

Just look at how some reacted to the news that there is a script to get the genesis 3 female into poser only to express obvious dissappointment that it still does not magically convert her to true poser native figure.

Having a "Pro" version of poser has not made users anymore willing to spend more time over in Daz studio managing DS content to be brought over to poser.

If that were the case V4 would be long dead and most people would at a minimum be using the G2 figures for Mike& Vickie 5-6 and using one of your methods or DSON or joe public's to bring them over.

But the ten year old V4 lingers because her usage spare users from having to use another program even for your "five minute " transfer process.

It is more than a technical hurdle IMHO it is a Cultural mindset.

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I still use V4.2, and I continue to look for new, interesting, good quality content for her.

By the way, the topic of this Poser forum thread is: "Are people still using V4?". It's not "Is anyone NOT using V4, or Poser? Please explain why not, and what's the matter with those who are". It pisses me off having to read and filter out lots of irrelevant noise. Thank you for your consideration.

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Wolf, DS doesn't have any documentation to speak of; no surprise that folks aren't willing to work to make DS more efficient.

What surprised me was all the work done to get the g3 figure working - why spend all that time on getting expressions to work, when you could simply add facial bones to ANY figure in just a few minutes - (pg 286 to 290 in the Poser manual).

oldingr posted at 1:11AM Thu, 19 May 2016 - #4269547

After spending hundreds of dollars on V4 over the years, doing it all over again at three times the price seems stupid. Some of the clothes for V7 almost costs as much as the real thing. While I can appreciate the improvements to any program over time there comes a time when the investment out weights the benefits. I wish these two camps would come together at some point, but sadly I don't see that happening. For myself it's not just the investment in content but also the program itself. For me Poser is a lot nicer to work with and has become like a good friend.

+ 1

And Yes V4 is still my main figure!!!

Polygons don't age and with the new Poser 11, you can do HD morphs for V4 for example.

It's up to the artist to make something out of the "base clay" and whether that clay is blue, green or pink is irrelevant.

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I will use V4 as long as I render. No figure has a greater variety of fantastic characters than V4--all ethnicities, fantasy characters, and on and on. Ditto M4 (so sad Mortem Vitus has been assimilated). Genesis 2 has some variety, but so far, Genesis 3 characters mostly look the same to my eye.

ssgbryan: I have 123 G2F outfits running native in Poser for my native G2F/V6 characters. The mother ship does run great sales. That is a lot of "dozens" of outfits, and there are more to be had. Add to this far more than that using V4 outfits in the fitting room. Dawn has the same amount as V4 and G2F, thanks to the fitting room. So does Pauline. This is one reason Poser is a great program!

But with all that stuff already, I, too, buy less for V4, even though great new characters are appearing on the market.

No, I'm not. I just fiddle around with my own models/rigs and keep them to myself. Been really too busy with non Poser pursuits lately to pay much attention to the sites and the state of the community.

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...maybe in the fall/winter when work slows up I'll tidy up things I've been tinkering with and put it out there. But... nothing with V4 or any other Poser figure not created by myself. Feels vaguely like a waste not to keep making things with/for Poser considering the amount of time and effort I've spent with the program... and how fond I am of it, regardless of my being at odds with most of what seems to be the nagging concerns of other users.

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I use V4, M4, V3, M3, Aiko 3, for all of whom I have a reasonably large wardrobe assembled over the years. I have been fiddling with Studio testing out gen3 stuff, but Poser (7 and Pro 11) is my main 3D program.

V4 even more use to me since the new child morphs in the MP by Lyrra just recently here. Love esther

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Here's my two cents.

I still use Victoria 4. She's a good old girl and there is nothing wrong with her. Also, she has a closet that would make Imelda Marcos blush.

I also use Victoria 3, Stephanie Petite 3, Aiko 3, Victoria 2, Stephanie 1, Dawn, Star, Pauline, Miki 4, Terai Yuki 2, Alyson 2, Sydney, Jessi, Genesis, Genesis 2, and Genesis 3. I know I'm in the minority by using so many different figures and I don't care. They add a unique diversity to any art.

I just started using her now that I've squeezed almost the last drop out of Aiko 3! Now I'm collecting and buying V4 stuff all the time!

Again, welcome back!

She's still my "go-to" girl!

I still use V4.2, because the model has everything I need, which I can't say of the genesis figures. Besides that I have hundreds of cloths, props, poses for her and considering the prices for new stuff at DAZ, I don't think I will switch to one of their figures soon. I invested too much time and money to get V4 the way I wanted, and I'm not in the mood to start all over again with a new model.

I like poser and for me it ain't far from dead, the new superfly render in poser11 can give results that are at least as good as Iray. I do use Daz studio, but only as a tool for Poser, I don't do any rendering in D|S.

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For some reason I can not say goodbye to her creating products for my store ..

Happy to read there are still artists working with V4 and interested in products for her ..!!

prefer V4 ... she works in Poser without messing around. Many morphs, many textures/characters. all good really.,

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Will always love V4. I use her most. Love V3 too.

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I have been away for a while and reading the forums and looking in the marketplace made me think I was the only one left using poser and V4, I'm glad I'm not. i know V4 has issues but i can deal with that, i like her, i know her limits and she works well, let alone the huge closet for her. so I'm not going to stop using her, or V3, A3 etc.

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I still use V4. I'm not sure what new figure to use since DAZ abandoned Poser. I like Genesis 3, but it's not compatible with poser.

Thanks for all the replies.

I am NOT going to install DS. No hard feelings other than it just don't want to run properly on my computer, while Poser (10, I guess it is) does just fine.

As such, I guess it makes it impossible for me to use the newer g-figures. SOMETHING I can personally live with. My base characters are still M3/D3 and they work for my purpose. All I needed to know was if I should/could include for instance poses for V4 in a set of scene props. Which is now a moot point, because I couldn't make the poses anyway ;) and the scene/props are in the testing queue now. Without any poses.

And yes I can see the ebots are dead, as I got no indication of all these replies. Oh well, ebots were always more a hassle than a help. Either you drowned in them, or they were flaky. Better gone for good then, at least you know not to expect them XD

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I uses Victoria 4.2 all the time. I still use Victoria 3 in a lot of my renders. I still look for new, interesting, good quality content for her.

Honestly, I don't think there will ever be another V4 in the hobby 3d market, considering the (IMO) fractured state of the hobby as a whole.

Nice to see you back. Only V4 or V4.2 for me, thank you. BTW I still have your Trash Street Corner with Grafffiti. Only the good stuff in my Content LOL

I support ALL the Poser figures now as I've moved on from making figure specific items to props and environments. However, when i do make figure specific stuff now, generally it's with Dawn in mind, or a native Poser figure.

And welcome back, TG.

LOL. I'm still faithful to V3. I use her all the time. I don't like V4's proportions.

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TrekkieGrrrl posted at 11:53AM Fri, 10 June 2016 - #4270954

Thanks for all the replies.

I am NOT going to install DS. No hard feelings other than it just don't want to run properly on my computer, while Poser (10, I guess it is) does just fine.

Good to see you back in The Fray!

You don't NEED to install Studio to use Genesis 1 and 2; DAZ has a free DSON Importer that allows them to be loaded into Poser. Products that are directly loadable come with Poser Companion Files (CF's) and they show up in the Poser library. Many do not include them, but can be added using D3D's DSON Loader script (this requires the DAZ DSON Importer to be installed.) Some brought in the latter way work well, others do not. You often have to adjust materials, and sometimes normals are backwards; Studio must not be as picky about them as Poser.

Joe Public has a post on converting an imported Genesis figure into a native Poser figure; I ignored the "speed" part and it still works well, but I have lots of memory. The same procedure works on Genesis 2 as well...

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2874212

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Are people still using V4?

Yes, i do, im not going to use Genesis stuff, it slows my computer way too much. (I do not like DS)

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I still use the V4-WM (PoserPlace version) exclusively for this hobby. Even tho, I'd really like to use the "HD Morphs and Features" from this newer figure, but as long as there's no real "converter" thingy, to get my current V4 shapes into it, including all the image maps, I'll stay there.

Ah, I've read abut it. Thanks for the reminder. Then, once transferred to Gen2, is there a bridge from this, to Gen3?

Sorry for going off-topic.

Hehe, ok. Thank you, wolf359.

I use V4 in Poser and DS for the newest figures. The right tool for the right job ;). It's just the path of least resistance. This way I don't feel slighted at not being able to use all the new shinies ;)

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wolf359 posted at 11:14AM Sat, 11 June 2016 - #4272147

No GENX support for G3 but I care not as G3 is USELESS to we who animate???

I don't use Daz Studio so I don't know anything about how G3 works. What exactly is the issue getting her to animate?

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wolf359 posted at 9:22AM Sun, 12 June 2016 - #4272198

Terrence seriously, I have alot of respect for you and you are a

very talented content producer for STILL art.

But My and Daz user Ivy's& "BigH" and others opinions

are based on actual years of experience animating Daz

Figures ( with available online links to prove it)

While your opinion on G3's usefullness to real world
DAZ/Poser animators, using the Current tool set within Daz studio is entirely theoretical and not supported by those self identified animators within the DAZ studio user community.

"wolf's comment comes from the fact that in order to use the

figure with his current tools he would have to set up the facial

rigging for the figure which he stated in another thread that

he refuses to do, as there is no tool from iclone to do it for him. "

Actually for my lipsinc I recently began to use mimic 3 Pro on G1-G2 Figures by exporting them to poser Cr2's and loading those CR2's to the session manger and generating animated pose files for them that work in Daz studio.

A bit if a kludge I confess but gets the job done better than the 32 bit only lipsinc plugin within DS.

The face rig is the least of the problems The problem is locomotion ( walking running)motions created within daz studio.

I challenge anyone here to make a simple animation of a G3 figure walking across a floor using ONLY the existing tools within Daz studio G's3 Native Program such as aniMate2.

Not $$Iclone$$ after manually bone mapping the facial rig to an Iclone nonstandard retargeting rig , Not the expensive Vicon optical mocap System used the by My Ultra talented Collegue "SKAmotion" to create the sexy walk G3 promo at is launch ( which took him weeks according to his own statements).

I can create animation with G3 with a lot of manual work but that is not very logical since the figure brings nothing new to the Scifi based visual story telling I prefer to do. And is a huge workflow step backwards for Deadline oriented Forensic paid Client work here in the New york tri state market.

Imagine if Auto fit did not work with G3 and DAZ 's only response was to accuse Content creators of Laziness because of their refusal to revert back to a year 2003 workflow of manual rigging every new item.

And yes Dragonstorm has released a G2 to G3 animated pose converter but recently had to publicly admit to potential customers in a thread that the random popping& jerking in the converted animation was due to the pointlessly exotic rigging of G3.

" Facial rigging has benefits with displaying emotion in animation, and would help his animations immensely as his current animations display very little emotion aside from eye movements"

Fair enough as I have put work online for people to see and critique but facial rigging can not be shown to be superior to morphs ( links please??)

But I will let the readers decide if the G2 Characters in this clip look more than a little stoic at the appearance of the menacing dreadnought.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2TYEp536iB8TURicWZqQTNwWGc

Pixar quality?? Nope not with DS & and eight year old version of Maxon Cinema4D rendered on a nine year old Mac computer( long story)

But I would love to see any samples of the Genesis 3 Figures walking and talking, looking mildly Scared, made using ther native tools of their Program.

As I said before we had this conversation before and genesis 3 does work. And I showed you the link showing a genesis 3 animation in iclone including how the person set it up, so I'm not sure why you even said it doesn't work. You simply don't want to adjust your workflow to use the new figure. But the bottom line is really this: if you're going to present yourself as an animator, then you should be doing the things people expect of an animator, or you shouldn't present yourself as such. Professional animators have no problems rigging their meshes to include facial bones, even without utilities present to do so, not moan about not being able to do so when the tools in iclone are right there. You are a hobbyist like the rest of us here, nothing more nothing less otherwise you'd be showing your work on the cinema4D forums or somewhere else, not pretending to be superior in a poser forum when your animations really are at the hobbyist level. If don't want to adjust your workflow to make things work like I do when I'm using different renderers and figures, that's fine, but please don't spread misinformation about what doesn't work when it was presented to you personally a month ago. And the search took less than 5 minutes on youtube with the keywords genesis 3 and iclone.

With that, let's steer this back on topic.

Hi to TrekkieGrrrl, nice to see you're back (been away for myself for a little while) to answer your question, I'm another who stuck with V4 and M4, they still do everything I need them to do. Tac for knife and bloons too!

I still use Victoria 4 (and Michael 4) all the time. Simple reason: there is a ton of content for these and I am but an amateur. There was a brief moment where Genesis attracted my attention, but when that was swiftly followed up by new, and then newer still, models I was quite convinced that I wasn't interested in models that would perhaps see only a year or so of developer attention and would end up with half a dozen outfits which I would perhaps be interested in.

I appreciate that some of the newer models are objectively better in some respects, and would, if rendered without too many adjustments, give amateurs like me a better result than old Victoria would - but I remind myself that, like with photography, the limiting factor is far more often the user than the tools.

[adosity]..... - but I remind myself that, like with photography, the limiting factor is far more often the user than the tools.

Well said. I belong to another forum where we're having a V3 render contest. Many of the renders are better than stuff I've seen done with Genesis 3. These are people who have taken the time to learn the software and get the best from it.

I realize this is a heated issue and there is evidence to back both positions ... but 1. this is not following the original OP and 2. this is getting very close to being a software war ... so shall we pull back our over enthusiasm for our stand and take a deep breath here?

Boni

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Boni,

I hope you didn't take my last post as a jab at Daz3D. I use both Poser and Daz, loving and hating both of them for different (and sometimes the same) reasons. Here's my last post modified to make it software neutral....

[adosity]..... - but I remind myself that, like with photography, the limiting factor is far more often the user than the tools.

Well said. I belong to another forum where we're having a V3 render contest. Many of the renders are better than stuff I've seen done with newer figures. These are people who have taken the time to learn their preferred software and get the best from it.

I don't think kittykat98 wanted to fuel the software wars and I didn't see it as such. When talking about using certain figures it's a given that some people will be able to do different things with the same figure sometimes rendering it unrecognizable. I can appreciate where DAZ and Poser users are coming from respectively when they support their software of choice but nothing will ever replace true artistic genius that can take any resource and produce a work of art where others would merely have an awkward, dated, old model rendered floating in the air or with no shadows and flaring nostrils. :) Software can give you the tools but you must learn to use them.
Check out beton's gallery and see what he has accomplished with V3 and posette! https://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/artist/beton Nudity checked for the gallery content.

Kalypso,

I've seen this before and it's exactly what I meant. This is some beautiful work and illustrates dedication to the craft. As a professional graphic artist, this sort of work is a constant inspiration.

Thanks for the link,

Bob

I assure you my comment was NOT aimed at Kittykat98 or adosidy. you both just got your comments in at the end of the questionable exchange I was commenting on. Please carry on.

Boni

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I still use V4. I don't animate much but good to know about issues and current problems in trying to animate characters.

The dust settled, thinking "what a fine home, at least for now" not realizing that doom would soon be coming in the form of a vacuum cleaner.

Absolutely, TG. I just bought one of your clothing items for her the other day.

Oh wow this thread is still alive

Thanks for the "welcome backs" to those who said so :) And thanks for reassuring me that I'm not the last person still using M4/V4

[TrekkieGrrrl] And thanks for reassuring me that I'm not the last person still using M4/V4

I hang around in the more obscure and niche segment of the Poserverse (which includes the Dazverse) and see Vicky Four everywhere. It's impossible to quote numbers since any poll will reflect users who respond, not users who are using her, but I get the feeling that she's still darned popular. I've been keeping track of clothing available for Genesis Three and despite the prolific output by the content folks, there still isn't the huge wardrobe available that Vicky has. If one wants a lot of fantasy costumes your well served, but there's not a lot (in comparison) of regular stuff. Vicky is also getting an upgrade via Erogenesis over at CgBytes. his new figure (Project E) will be compatible with Vicky characters and clothing. It's also nice to see new items for her being released. While I don't buy everything for Vicky, I do take the time to thank the artist for releasing stuff for Vicky.
Bob

V4/M4 are the figures that keep Poser alive for 99.99% of the end user base.

I've never used Victoria 4... she has always been a more than willing participant in my various experiments!

Awesome to see you back, looking forward to seeing some quirky new stuff from you! :D

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[Glen]> I've never used Victoria 4... she has always been a more than willing participant in my various experiments!

This is hilarious, I've also found Vicky Fourpointtwopluspluselite to be pretty open minded about trying new stuff (really big idiotic grin). Thanks for the chuckle.
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I glanced through this thread. Actually I tend not to use V4, but I do like to get stuff for A3 and H3. I love Aiko 3 as I think she was my first real figure I used. I did get V3 RR but did not play with her much. I can remember ten some years ago I was trying to do an image of A3 but I had so little content then and the friend I was showing the render to did not like the A3 outfit I used, but as I said I did not have much content at the time so I was upset. A3 was new and I had little for her to wear at the time.

I remember when V4 came out, I got the base figure and only the base figure. She did not come with that purple bikini texture and I had nothing yet for her to wear. I know there are clothes converters now but for some reason I did not have that for V4 yet so I tried to render V4 without breaking the TOS of the forum. That was a challenge for me at the time.

Hahah, no worries, Bob! Thanks for the compliment! You should see the stuff I put my Annie through! Plenty of fun goings on featured on my DA page. I love how bendy she can become! ;) ;)

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I have to say V4 is the way to go for Poser users, she has her faults but she has and still does render superbly, it is no wonder vendors still make skins for her as her facial features IMHO beat anything G3 G2 G1 have ever been able to do - I have used G2 a lot and apart from her more perfected stomach morphs she looks like she's undergone severe plastic surgery, I also have not seen a realistic skin and facial looking G3 either, sure Daz show you how amazing she renders and if I used Daz then I would be prepared to wait 24 hours for a render as amazing as they make her in there pics, I prefer Poser so V4 is still the girl for me! And welcome back Trekkie

I primarily use V4 and Dawn. I like Poser and don't feel like trying to make any of the newer DAZ Vicki's work right in Poser. After the DSON importer, I've given up on that.

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I'm still a keen V4 user.

When DAZ initially dropped support for Poser, I was reluctant to move to DS because my experience of it and other DAZ software such as Hexagon and Bryce was of a fragile and unreliable program. I regularly lost work and data to Hexagon. Then was a rapid succession of replacement figure generations which seemed designed to force yet more re-purchasing.

For the most part V4 feels more than good enough. I rarely do really close up pictures, so what ever technical benefits there might be wouldn't be seen anyway.

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V4 is like MP3 for Poser users. There are "better" formats/figures but none with the universal compatibility and support that these supply. Like MP3, the results are good enough for most users. There are too many competing formats to supplant MP3 altogether. Going forward I suspect that there will be those who are gung ho on Dawn, some on Pauline, some on Project E or another figure to come. Even in Daz Land there are grumblings from those that liked the flexibility of G1 or from "new" users who don't want to rebuy their content for G3. I assume V4 will eventually fade but will never be replaced as a single figure with the same kind of universal support.

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I've been following 'Ero' and project E before it was a real project. He's stated that it will be compatible with Vicky Four's hundreds of characters and her extensive wardrobe thereby giving her a new lease on life..or simlife?

I think we all have our favourite style we strive for. Like some people have said, their favourites were the Gen 3 characters and they didn't have any interest in what proceeded them. My favourites are ManiHoni's characters, and since he hasn't made any in years I'll be sticking with V4/M4/M3/Miki2. So yep, still a V4 user here. It's great there are many choices out there and we are free to work with what suits our needs most.

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I still love V4 and A4. I agree with the statements about having new models for Victoria such as 6 etc. The truth is Daz can't make up its mind. Look at the oh so -Cool- "when it came out" ARTZONE. I guess they didn't like that. Not to mention Hexagon. The loss of Blacksmith 3D. And on a further now when I asked them for installers for some of my old projects IE: Tempest for Sadie and a few others. All I got back from them was the really old architectural set. -frowns-

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wolf359 posted at 3:46AM Mon, 27 June 2016 - #4273472

" it is no wonder vendors still make skins for her as her facial features IMHO beat anything G3 G2 G1 have ever been able to do - "

For $38 USD the GENX2 Plugin can transfer ones favorite V4 Faces& shapes to the G1 or G2 female and with UV switching all existing V4 Skin maps are usable with G1-G2 I have completely recreated V4 & V3 legacy characters as G2 figures using this Plugin.

"Daz show you how amazing she renders and if I used Daz then I would be prepared to wait 24 hours for a render as amazing as they make her in there pics,

Not sure where you are getting this "24 hour "render time perhaps with your hardware config but there are people who have invested in proper NVDIA capable graphic cards who are not waiting "24 hours" for Iray renders but the same holds true for Octane or Reality/LUX users ..........its all about the hardware

"I prefer Poser so V4 is still the girl for me! "

Yes for a poser user V4/V4WM is still the superior figure to all of the other efforts by Smith Micro and other third parties ,but I suspect "Project E" may soon Dethrone the poser Queen.

Hi Wolf thanks for the reply -

I only ever used Daz to DSON over clothing fitted to poser for GF2 and have to say that anything GF2 or GM2 looks low key as opposed to textures for V4 etc and I find the actual figures to be great on muscular attributes, but doll like on facial and hand details just not realistic - I can't say how GF3 looks as I use ProDev 2014, Poser 11 when I did buy it was a mess the library did not work and it crashed every 2 mins (got a refund for this btw)
The 24 hour render comment was just being sarcastic as compared to a render in poser it is way too long and when I did take a good look at Daz as I have a good Nvidia card I resulted to using 3Delight as it was quicker and a lot easier to set up - Yeah I can see the results using Iray are quality, but I would imagine Daz's pictures are heavily photoshoped and probably take a long time to render - but in truth I prefer Firefly it is fast and delivers quality renders too, unless you are doing close up's of hair and have a lot of metallic reflections then your in for a wait (also word of note to anyone who has found that skin looks blocky- turn off reflections)
Oh yes I cannot wait for E Project from what I have seen so far looks immense - I am guessing that the clothing system that will be employed for her will be similar to the Weigh Mapped V4 script [ http://www.runtimedna.com/Outfitter.html ]

Just a final word I am not trying to make this thread a daz v poser one, I have bought poser since 7 to pro dev I just want vendors to realise that v4 is very much alive and combines both software users unlike GF3

kol_2005 posted at 7:10AM Mon, 27 June 2016 - #4273854

wolf359 posted at 3:46AM Mon, 27 June 2016 - #4273472

" it is no wonder vendors still make skins for her as her facial features IMHO beat anything G3 G2 G1 have ever been able to do - "

For $38 USD the GENX2 Plugin can transfer ones favorite V4 Faces& shapes to the G1 or G2 female and with UV switching all existing V4 Skin maps are usable with G1-G2 I have completely recreated V4 & V3 legacy characters as G2 figures using this Plugin.

"Daz show you how amazing she renders and if I used Daz then I would be prepared to wait 24 hours for a render as amazing as they make her in there pics,

Not sure where you are getting this "24 hour "render time perhaps with your hardware config but there are people who have invested in proper NVDIA capable graphic cards who are not waiting "24 hours" for Iray renders but the same holds true for Octane or Reality/LUX users ..........its all about the hardware

"I prefer Poser so V4 is still the girl for me! "

Yes for a poser user V4/V4WM is still the superior figure to all of the other efforts by Smith Micro and other third parties ,but I suspect "Project E" may soon Dethrone the poser Queen.

Hi Wolf thanks for the reply -

I only ever used Daz to DSON over clothing fitted to poser for GF2 and have to say that anything GF2 or GM2 looks low key as opposed to textures for V4 etc and I find the actual figures to be great on muscular attributes, but doll like on facial and hand details just not realistic - I can't say how GF3 looks as I use ProDev 2014, Poser 11 when I did buy it was a mess the library did not work and it crashed every 2 mins (got a refund for this btw)

The 24 hour render comment was just being sarcastic as compared to a render in poser it is way too long and when I did take a good look at Daz as I have a good Nvidia card I resulted to using 3Delight as it was quicker and a lot easier to set up - Yeah I can see the results using Iray are quality, but I would imagine Daz's pictures are heavily photoshoped and probably take a long time to render - but in truth I prefer Firefly it is fast and delivers quality renders too, unless you are doing close up's of hair and have a lot of metallic reflections then your in for a wait (also word of note to anyone who has found that skin looks blocky- turn off reflections)

Oh yes I cannot wait for E Project from what I have seen so far looks immense - I am guessing that the clothing system that will be employed for her will be similar to the Weigh Mapped V4 script [ http://www.runtimedna.com/Outfitter.html ]

Just a final word I am not trying to make this thread a daz v poser one, I have bought poser since 7 to pro dev I just want vendors to realise that v4 is very much alive and combines both software users unlike GF3

Then if you do not want to make it an App war post, which you did and probably shouldn't have done, then please post accurate information as all three of your points are wrong.... Especially wrong is about Project E using V4 clothing, it won't and it can't if it doesn't want to be shut down by DAZ. Also if you looked in the Cgbytes forum for Project E, the figure has put on indefinite hold with multiple problems getting everything to work and was rebuilt in Poser 2014 (downgraded from Poser 11 because of issues) and now it doesn't work in Poser 11. Feel free to hunt down the thread there as I can't post links. But seriously this about if you still use V4, not uninformed posting about software wars so stop the baiting post and stick to the subject.

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Just a final word I am not trying to make this thread a daz v poser one, I have bought poser since 7 to pro dev I just want vendors to realise that v4 is very much alive and combines both software users unlike GF3

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wolf359 posted at 10:51AM Wed, 29 June 2016 - #4273905

The GENX2 Plugin now supports G3 as well so your legacy V3,V4 M3 M4 Character morphs/shapes can now be used on G3 figures as well.

Oi, now that sounds interesting. I might have a look at it. Thanks for the heads up.

I love V4.. Still use V4. Several things keep me from upgrading.

I really despise Daz Studios interface; and am really comfortable with Poser
The COSTS involved. Both the amount I have sunk into V4 morphs and accessories and the higher costs for the new stuff.
The fact that G3 doesnt work in Poser, Yeah I managed to get it to BE in Poser 11 via the new method without the morphs
I have really detailed characters with V4 They dont look like they the V4 characters in the Marketplace which most look indistinguishable from the other. You can look at my characters and they are as recognizable as idividuals. The GENX2 is encouraging though that I could take these characters to the new figure, and NOT have to abandon them for the sake of a new figure.
A lack (to my knowledge) of a method to upgrade the best of the V4 clothing items to the newest figure.

Personally I still use V4 and still keeping her alive,although I've G2F or G3F,but still I rather use V4 and if something needs to be fixed then ZBrush is good starting point I don't animate and most of the time I do single renders like with Poser or 3DS MAX

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura

Hey wolf?? G3 is for another forum. So sorry, but we work in Poser with Poser figures and Poser content. Thank you.

99.99% of the end users have TONS invested in V4. Those that want to use G3 can freely go to DS (that is also free) And wanna know a secret? LOL. They have their own forms too. LOL.

tonyvilters posted at 11:53AM Mon, 04 July 2016 - #4274557

Hey wolf?? G3 is for another forum. So sorry, but we work in Poser with Poser figures and Poser content. Thank you.

99.99% of the end users have TONS invested in V4. Those that want to use G3 can freely go to DS (that is also free) And wanna know a secret? LOL. They have their own forms too. LOL.

So why did the admins post this thread in the Poser forum?

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro?thread_id=2899963

Please don't pick fights that don't need to be picked.

tonyvilters posted at 11:29AM Mon, 04 July 2016 - #4274557

Hey wolf?? G3 is for another forum. So sorry, but we work in Poser with Poser figures and Poser content. Thank you.

99.99% of the end users have TONS invested in V4. Those that want to use G3 can freely go to DS (that is also free) And wanna know a secret? LOL. They have their own forms too. LOL.

Tony, you can always depend on the self-appointed Daz Defenders to appear in ANY Poser thread where we are talking about any figure. And no, they aren't going to help the poor people up in the DS forums. They feel their time is better spent here.

There is a place for all figures (even the G figures) in Poser, although unless one buys them in "Fast Grab" or a similar promotion, they are a TCO fail.

It isn't just that we have a monetary investment in the V4 ecosystem - there is also the fact that the V4 products have both more variety and better versatility.

More characters, by several more orders of magnitude; hell even the SM G2 series of figures (Simon, Sydney, etc) had more characters made for them than either the Daz G1 or G2 series ever managed - I counted) - this is kinda important if you want anything outside of "young white girl". In all fairness, Terrance is the ONLY DS vendor that can be depended upon to make non-caucasian characters for the g figures, especially the male ones.

More morphs and morph sets, also by several more orders of magnitude, (and we mustn't forget, an entire cottage industry built around fixing the shortcomings of the V4 mesh).

More clothing by several orders of magnitude. V4 managed more clothing in the first 90 days after launch than any of the G series managed in their entire life-cycles. As an added bonus, most of them come with movement morphs, which appear to be sadly lacking in DS clothing. The other thing is the amount of additional texture sets made for clothing - before the split, when a new piece of clothing rolled out, we knew there would be half a dozen or so vendors making texture sets for that clothing. Those days are behind us, unless one is using V4 clothing content.

Then there is the added versatility, if one actually leaves the Poser 4 workflow behind and use Poser Pro as it is meant to be used in the 21st century.

I can quickly take a conforming V4 clothing item and make it dynamic (My figures can have a dress that goes below the knee, without needing to go all the way to the floor). Or I can pull it into the fitting room and fit it to any other character that has taken my fancy, like Dawn or Pauline or Antonia or Sydney or Mariko or V3 or Anastasia or Eroko or Scarlet or Roxie or Terai Yuki or Miki (any version), etc.

In my Star Trek comic, EVERYBODY is wearing the same uniform (Courageous for V4 and Valiant for M4) even though my go-to figures are the SM G2 figures (because I need normal sized people - Dusk & Dawn are my "tall folks"). Although thanks to Lyrra's scaling product, I can adjust V4/M4' height a bit easier than in the past.

As an added note - if you go to pg 288 - 293 in the Poser Manual, you get instructions on how to add facial bones to any Poser figure (including the G figures in Poser) - I find this very amusing, by the way. My G1 & G2 figures have the "new" G3 tech selling point. Although why they call it Control Props is beyond me.

Will there EVER be ANY time when people will stop getting butthurt over EVERYTHING said by a non-fan of Poser or DS or Vicky or G2 or G3 or whatever figure? PLEASE knock the shit off...it's really no wonder why this place is deserted, is it? People have opinions. Last time I checked, in most countries it's ALLOWED. Get over it, please. This has to be the most childish bullcrap by a bunch of adults I've ever seen. It's getting old folks. Real old.

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RorrKonn posted at 10:02PM Mon, 04 July 2016 - #4274591

KISS Got to Choose is just a song man. It's a cool song but if you was to choose between a harem or ... well we would all choose the harem. Rock on ;)

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KyReb posted at 4:05AM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274457

I love V4.. Still use V4. Several things keep me from upgrading.

I really despise Daz Studios interface; and am really comfortable with Poser

The COSTS involved. Both the amount I have sunk into V4 morphs and accessories and the higher costs for the new stuff.

The fact that G3 doesnt work in Poser, Yeah I managed to get it to BE in Poser 11 via the new method without the morphs

I have really detailed characters with V4 They dont look like they the V4 characters in the Marketplace which most look indistinguishable from the other. You can look at my characters and they are as recognizable as idividuals. The GENX2 is encouraging though that I could take these characters to the new figure, and NOT have to abandon them for the sake of a new figure.

A lack (to my knowledge) of a method to upgrade the best of the V4 clothing items to the newest figure.

All of this, with great emphasis in point 1. I too hate the Daz Studio interface.

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Male_M3dia posted at 12:21PM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274560

tonyvilters posted at 11:53AM Mon, 04 July 2016 - #4274557

Hey wolf?? G3 is for another forum. So sorry, but we work in Poser with Poser figures and Poser content. Thank you.

99.99% of the end users have TONS invested in V4. Those that want to use G3 can freely go to DS (that is also free) And wanna know a secret? LOL. They have their own forms too. LOL.

So why did the admins post this thread in the Poser forum?

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro?thread_id=2899963

Please don't pick fights that don't need to be picked.

It was posted in the Poser forum because it is a tool to help Poser users.

This is rude to the OP and all others who are trying to ask Poser users if they still use a certain character or anything else they'd like to know and or want advice on. This type of behavior will not be tolerated any longer. Warnings will be issued and bans as well if necessary. This goes for a few people in this thread, not just one person.

A Moderator came in and said to keep it civil and it still became a software war...this is not okay on any level.

People like what they like and should not feel like they are wrong just because they like something different.

I will lock this thread if this keeps on as I think the OP got what they needed.

It is great to see you back my Dear and I'm sorry it turned into this.

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DreaminGirl posted at 2:35PM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274648

Thank you Kristi

You're welcome

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Not reading all of this.

Trekkie - Yes people still use V4 and M4. My latest products, Child Dial and Height Dial for V4 and M4 are doing very well. In fact, as I start to build the characters for my upcoming graphic novel I expect to be using mainly v4 and m4. I have the largest variety of content for those figures, which when I start looking at populating entire street scenes in a steampunk city, is going to make my life simpler. I made the child dials specifically for my graphic novel, so I could use gen4 clothing on children and not go crazy trying to convert thousands of assets. I have not invested in any other figure bases at the moment.

If you are going to make gen4 stuff again I'm certainly going to look forward to seeing it!

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Kristi, thank you for stepping in. I have been otherwise occupied this weekend and didn't stay on top of this. I appreciate your help. Let's all keep this forum a constructive place, thank you.

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KristiS posted at 7:34PM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274645

Male_M3dia posted at 12:21PM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274560

tonyvilters posted at 11:53AM Mon, 04 July 2016 - #4274557

Hey wolf?? G3 is for another forum. So sorry, but we work in Poser with Poser figures and Poser content. Thank you.

99.99% of the end users have TONS invested in V4. Those that want to use G3 can freely go to DS (that is also free) And wanna know a secret? LOL. They have their own forms too. LOL.

So why did the admins post this thread in the Poser forum?

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro?thread_id=2899963

Please don't pick fights that don't need to be picked.

It was posted in the Poser forum because it is a tool to help Poser users.

This is rude to the OP and all others who are trying to ask Poser users if they still use a certain character or anything else they'd like to know and or want advice on. This type of behavior will not be tolerated any longer. Warnings will be issued and bans as well if necessary. This goes for a few people in this thread, not just one person.

A Moderator came in and said to keep it civil and it still became a software war...this is not okay on any level.

People like what they like and should not feel like they are wrong just because they like something different.

I will lock this thread if this keeps on as I think the OP got what they needed.

It is great to see you back my Dear and I'm sorry it turned into this.

Kristi, I hope you pointed this at Vilters and not me as I wasn't the one that was disrupting the thread. It was Vilters once again turning the thread into a software war. I know very well why the utility was posted and it was a rhetorical question. Poser users do have options on what to use, and it's not for any one person to decide for the rest of the users and that's why I posted.. it's a very dead horse that some try to beat.

You're very welcome Boni, no worries as it was a holiday weekend and everyone deserves a break every now and again

Male_M3dia - I was talking to a couple people as this is not the first thread I seen this happen in and enough is enough.

This place is supposed to be a Community which means we are all supposed to support each other and build each other up, not tear each other down and I will not sit by and watch it happen any longer.

I am back in the Community so I can now do something about it.

I am trying to pick things back up and get this Community back on track and would like us to be able ask questions, learn from each other, and enjoy each other no matter which software we use.

After all, that should be why someone wants to be a part of our Community

Kristi

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This thread started by asking if people still used V4, there was no need to start going off on a Daz tangent and I just am not going to tolerate it any longer.

People post to the Daz Studio when they are needing something for Daz, they do not come asking in the Poser forum.

Thank you,

Kristi

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Male_M3dia posted at 6:08PM Wed, 06 July 2016 - #4274610

Suucat posted at 6:18AM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274609

KyReb posted at 4:05AM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274457

I love V4.. Still use V4. Several things keep me from upgrading.

I really despise Daz Studios interface; and am really comfortable with Poser

The COSTS involved. Both the amount I have sunk into V4 morphs and accessories and the higher costs for the new stuff.

The fact that G3 doesnt work in Poser, Yeah I managed to get it to BE in Poser 11 via the new method without the morphs

I have really detailed characters with V4 They dont look like they the V4 characters in the Marketplace which most look indistinguishable from the other. You can look at my characters and they are as recognizable as idividuals. The GENX2 is encouraging though that I could take these characters to the new figure, and NOT have to abandon them for the sake of a new figure.

A lack (to my knowledge) of a method to upgrade the best of the V4 clothing items to the newest figure.

All of this, with great emphasis in point 1. I too hate the Daz Studio interface.

As JVRenderer said this is about if you use V4, not about software wars, etc. Some people just can't seem to help themselves. Perhaps these threads need to be locked since they seem to end in fights and really don't serve a real purpose. People want to hate on DAZ3D, but forget V4 IS a DAZ3D product. And although the op has some responses to her question both of her products for V4 failed to make the hot product list (thus probably made no money) so she may want to rethink her position if she's doing this full-time.

Yes, V4 is a DAZ3D product, one that works well in Poser, and that is why i always will use her. Happy?

Who finds a friend finds a treasure!

Very much agree with Suucat. especially comment 1.Every month or so I get enthused about Genesis figures and have a play with them, but always return to V4 and Poser. This is only a hobby for me,and when I try to use Daz Studio it becomes a chore,where as I find using Poser and V4 very enjoyable.

jimros posted at 6:04AM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274877

Very much agree with Suucat. especially comment 1.Every month or so I get enthused about Genesis figures and have a play with them, but always return to V4 and Poser. This is only a hobby for me,and when I try to use Daz Studio it becomes a chore,where as I find using Poser and V4 very enjoyable.

KristiS posted at 6:04AM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274800

This thread started by asking if people still used V4, there was no need to start going off on a Daz tangent and I just am not going to tolerate it any longer.

People post to the Daz Studio when they are needing something for Daz, they do not come asking in the Poser forum.

Thank you,

And Kristi, THiS has always been your problem, the Poser users making these comments, even when you tell them to stop. But they do this because they know the management and mods will freely let them without recourse and mods will deliberately will pin the blame on a DS user. Please take care of this.

Recap :

The OP wanted to know who still uses "V4" in a "POSER" tread.
Simple to read, simple to understand. Correct?
V4 and POSER.
Only 2 words to read.

Personally, I always use the native Poser content, and rarely, very rarely use V4/M4 or Miki4 when I have something to test that requires a high poly-count. Mostly that would be a Miki4.

Ok simple terms here for apparently some folks can't get what Kristi is saying.

A personal preference is not someone bashing daz but someone stating that they prefer one software over the other especially after saying they use both softwares.

Apparently coming to rendo makes me see that common sense is still lacking in some people as they can't see the difference between bashing and stating preference

Before daz or poser users start I use BOTH softwares, always have.

I have V4, G1, G2, G3 and honestly people should use what they are comfortable with. The software/people bashing needs to stop, and i'm talking as a member not a member of staff.

I STILL to this day use V4 and Poser pro but I also used V4 and daz

Piper

Amethyst_Heart posted at 2:26PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274939

Ok simple terms here for apparently some folks can't get what Kristi is saying.

A personal preference is not someone bashing daz but someone stating that they prefer one software over the other especially after saying they use both softwares.

Before daz or poser users start I use BOTH softwares, always have.

I have V4, G1, G2, G3 and honestly people should use what they are comfortable with. The software/people bashing needs to stop, and i'm talking as a member not a member of staff.

I STILL to this day use V4 and Poser pro but I also used V4 and daz

Piper

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I'm sorry I lost my temper. I'm just so sick of the "my D**K is bigger than yours" back and forth crap. The constant bickering is what's driving people away from this forum. Who cares who uses what? Really? What difference does it make to your life what someone else is using to render in. Sheesh... We really need to get over the software thing.

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

to vilters: we all know you love Poser and don't use DS. There again...totally cool. You don't need to snap at everyone that uses the evil "D" word. There's room for all in this world. What someone else likes and uses does not diminish your opinion of Poser. So don't snap. Please stop.

Enough said.

Laurie

LaurieA posted at 5:22PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274963

I'm sorry I lost my temper. I'm just so sick of the "my D**K is bigger than yours" back and forth crap. The constant bickering is what's driving people away from this forum. Who cares who uses what? Really? What difference does it make to your life what someone else is using to render in. Sheesh... We really need to get over the software thing.

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

to vilters: we all know you love Poser and don't use DS. There again...totally cool. You don't need to snap at everyone that uses the evil "D" word. There's room for all in this world. What someone else likes and uses does not diminish your opinion of Poser. So don't snap. Please stop.

Enough said.

Laurie

+1

LaurieA posted at 6:33PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274963

I'm sorry I lost my temper. I'm just so sick of the "my D**K is bigger than yours" back and forth crap. The constant bickering is what's driving people away from this forum. Who cares who uses what? Really? What difference does it make to your life what someone else is using to render in. Sheesh... We really need to get over the software thing.

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

to vilters: we all know you love Poser and don't use DS. There again...totally cool. You don't need to snap at everyone that uses the evil "D" word. There's room for all in this world. What someone else likes and uses does not diminish your opinion of Poser. So don't snap. Please stop.

Enough said.

Laurie

+2

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LaurieA posted at 8:39PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274963

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

Thing is, if you can actually list the posts where I'm pushing DS, you'd be correct. Except there wasn't any such post and there's never been. My post was to people to stop starting app wars with their posts and bring software when there's no need to do it. That's a huge difference. Like I said, other people make the posts but I get blamed. Been going on for years.

Carry on though.

I know why you do it. Thing is, when you do it, it does more harm than good. IGNORE it. You're not going to change anyones mind. Please stop trying. It's the back and forth stuff that really gets people riled up. However, when someone says something not too glowing about the competing software, and everyone just overlooks it and moves on, there seems to be no big deal about it if you've noticed. It's only when you come in wagging your virtual finger in people's virtual faces that things go south. You just can't convince everybody that DS is as great as it is to you (heck, some of us agree and we STILL hate the back and forth). You're better served to not waste your time or energy on it any longer (and so is the forum in general).

Now, back to Queen Vicky 4 ;)

Laurie

@Male_M3dia LaurieA is right sometimes it is better to just let things go.

Someone should make an appearance in the Community Forum and request a 'Queen Vicky 4 Peacemakers' forum of her own, throw M4 in for company and leave the software at the door.

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LaurieA posted at 6:29AM Fri, 08 July 2016 - #4274991

I know why you do it. Thing is, when you do it, it does more harm than good. IGNORE it. You're not going to change anyones mind. Please stop trying. It's the back and forth stuff that really gets people riled up. However, when someone says something not too glowing about the competing software, and everyone just overlooks it and moves on, there seems to be no big deal about it if you've noticed. It's only when you come in wagging your virtual finger in people's virtual faces that things go south. You just can't convince everybody that DS is as great as it is to you (heck, some of us agree and we STILL hate the back and forth). You're better served to not waste your time or energy on it any longer (and so is the forum in general).

Now, back to Queen Vicky 4 ;)

Laurie

Laurie, you did not read one word I said. If you can put one link where I'm trying to convince someone to use DS or anything else you've insinuated, please do otherwise stop spreading misinformation and lies because those posts don't exist. Don't falsely accuse someone of something then say "Let it go". The one that started the mess was a Poser user, and always been. Until you guys realize that and take care of it, it's going to be the same situation whether I post about people not fighting or not.

Now back to V4 and not get into stuff KristiS asked.

"The one that started the mess was a Poser user, and always been. "

Says it all. Every time Todd? No. You accused suucat in this very thread of attacking daz when all they said was they don't like it.

Yes Todd, that was you. No poser user, you. Deny it all you want, you did that with all to see.

You may think we are stupid, but we are not Todd. It is you. Deny it all you want, won't change a thing. You've become the troll you wanted to stop.

I know this, because I became the troll. It's why I stepped away.

Do the same before its too late for you. Please.

Khai-J-Bach posted at 7:58AM Fri, 08 July 2016 - #4275016

"The one that started the mess was a Poser user, and always been. "

Says it all. Every time Todd? No. You accused suucat in this very thread of attacking daz when all they said was they don't like it.

Yes Todd, that was you. No poser user, you. Deny it all you want, you did that with all to see.

You may think we are stupid, but we are not Todd. It is you. Deny it all you want, won't change a thing. You've become the troll you wanted to stop.

I know this, because I became the troll. It's why I stepped away.

Do the same before its too late for you. Please.

+1

We love all our members and all this breaks my heart. Please, Kristi is right. We need to ban together and learn to get along.

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3DFineries posted at 3:30PM Fri, 08 July 2016 - #4275023

...We need to ban together and...

LOL is that a Freudian slip?

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LoL

But to the topic at hand, yes. I still use V4 & yes I use DS too sometimes. Whatever tool for the job is best is the one I use. Although I'm predominately Poser, I have so much content for V4 that I can use and won't abandoned her for a new shiny toy. I still pick up stuff from Daz, but less often than before. Like that Egyptian mega bundle. I snatched that right up so in that case, Genesis 3 was the right tool for the job. However, I will invest in Project E, even IF she doesn't take V4 clothes or characters but at the moment, I don't have a plan to upgrade to Poser Pro 11. I can & I want to, but I'm trying to build a business and need to save funds up for an upgrade to my modeling programs first.

Have a creative day!

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I gave up on V4/M4 a couple of years ago. Everything I can't live without, from Mil 4, I converted to Genesis 2 and/or Genesis 3 and never looked back.

What bhoins just said. Switched to another figure in DS but said it in a way that wasn't condescending. Very good ;).

Me? I never really took to V4 to begin with. I have a few things but never used her much...I'm from the older, V3 and before crowd. I actually used Aiko 3 more than any other figure. These days I use Genesis 2 or 3, whichever strikes my fancy at the time. :). It is just a hobby after all. I don't have deadlines...hehe. I use both softwares, and happily so.

Laurie

Welcome back.... you have been missed. I still use some of your wonderful add-ons such as that wonderful men's room in all it's seedy glory

Since my fractal designs poser 2 days poser has always been just a staging ground for exporting human figures to other program for rendering.back then it was bryce,later vue. As an animator today I render ALL of my animation in Maxon C4D on my Mac And for years the best ways to get a functional poser/Daz figure into C4D was the Interposer pro plugin which is why I still used DS 2.3 with M4 /V4 for the "aniblock" system ignoring all of the G1 and most the G2 era.

Once I bought a new windows 7 based PC and a seat of Iclone Pro with its direct support for Genesis for animation, I started developing a pipeline of animating Genesis 1-2 figures on the PC with Iclone and DAZ studio 4x aniMate 2 and exporting the MDD data to matching Genesis meshes over in C4D on the Mac

I just love Character animation& VFX

I have no loyalty to Figures,Companies, programs or operating systems it is all about creating the animation I want to create the way I want to create it It is for this reason I am skipping Genesis 3 entirely and sticking with G1-G2 going forward I wont pollute this thread with the technical details why I (And every Daz figure animator I know) wont use G3 for animation but our reasons have been stated repeatedly over in the Daz commons. Curious minds feel free to goggle:"wolf359,genesis 3 animate" without the quotation marks.

As to the original thread topic my answer is NO the mil4 figures , like poser itself ,have been supplanted in my CG work&play

KristiS posted at 1:45PM Sat, 09 July 2016 - #4274645

I will lock this thread if this keeps on as I think the OP got what they needed.

It is great to see you back my Dear and I'm sorry it turned into this.

Heh yeah well... I should have known, really. Still, I DID get what I asked for (and more to boot ) and I've checked in a few times, every time with a big tub of popcorn at hand, ready to watch the show

The Sofware wars will never cease. Not just here, but also for instance in the iPhone/Android world. It amuses me. t's like a religious war where neither party will ever admit that the other party might have a point.

So I'll just continue with Poser and V3/4 (and my Android phone)

Ya but the reruns are getting very boring .I had to look to see ,I have a LG phone and every one laughs when it rings like a phone ,I have my phone ring cause it's a phone. I have yet to see whats funny about that. I don't remember us arguing about rotary phones. but we did argue Chevy or Ford n then came the import's and we argued Chevy n Ford against imports.

OK now back to the endless civil War reruns. Maybe for something new we could argue Poser vs Notepad or some thing any thing new.

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Kidding....I'm KIDDING!! LOL

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RorrKonn posted at 10:14AM Tue, 12 July 2016 - #4275195

Ya but the reruns are getting very boring .I had to look to see ,I have a LG phone and every one laughs when it rings like a phone ,I have my phone ring cause it's a phone.

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Jules53757 posted at 4:08PM Mon, 25 July 2016 - #4269532

I use V4 and also V3 and V2, with subdivision and SSS they look still great.

Welcome back

still use v2 and V4. Too much invested in them to switch and since Poser is still the only app I use they will be there for me for the duration. Not sure what subdivision is and SSS or how to incorporate these functions for V2. I do see that renders of her side by side with V4 figures just looks off. I would like them to look better together or just render better alone. Is there some tutorials somewhere to learn about these adjustments to make V2 look better when needed?

For what it's worth, I still use V4 on occasion, and even V3 for that matter. Heck, on occasion when I need background figures, I even use the lo-rez buisness man/woman and casual man/woman. And i still use Trekkiegrrl props! Love 'em!

shante posted at 1:12AM Tue, 26 July 2016 - #4277309

Jules53757 posted at 4:08PM Mon, 25 July 2016 - #4269532

I use V4 and also V3 and V2, with subdivision and SSS they look still great.

Welcome back

still use v2 and V4. Too much invested in them to switch and since Poser is still the only app I use they will be there for me for the duration. Not sure what subdivision is and SSS or how to incorporate these functions for V2. I do see that renders of her side by side with V4 figures just looks off. I would like them to look better together or just render better alone. Is there some tutorials somewhere to learn about these adjustments to make V2 look better when needed?

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So is that TTFN or TANSTAAFL?

"Not sure what subdivision is and SSS or how to incorporate these functions for V2. I do see that renders of her side by side with V4 figures just looks off. I would like them to look better together or just render better alone. Is there some tutorials somewhere to learn about these adjustments to make V2 look better when needed?"

The reason your V2 characters look "off" next to Vicky4 is because of the lower mesh resolution of V2 and your are likely using texture maps onV2 that are nearly 15 years old and built for the original poser 4 render engine. Any tutorial that will assist you in making such vestgial figures look better are going to likely involve subdividing your figures(increasing mesh resolution)

And implementing subsurface scattering in the skin maps for more realism and using a physicly based render like the one now in poser 11,or at the very least Global illumination with poser firefly.

All of these solutions will require learning some new tools and techniques if you really want to make your older models look better in renders. Out of curiosity I pulled up the only remaining iteration of V2 that I still own and loaded her into Daz studio.

I draped a free Dynamic V4 dress over her using the $10 "Dyncreator" plugin for DS Sold here in the renderosity store. I added a level of subdivision and I Exported her over to Blender2.7 with the free MCteleblend script for Poser& DS and rendered her in Cycles with a generic SSS shader applied to the original "Asia for V2"skin

I only let the render resolve for about an hour so it is still quite grainy but as you can see Old V2 looks fairly decent with HDRI lighting and some basic SSS.

The old girl looks fairly good for a grandma, Wolf.

More like Great , Great Great ,Grandma in Daz "figure years" LOL Actually was a bit surprised at how good it looked even for a grainy unfinished render . I saved the .blend scene file and I may render out a really hi res version at about 300 samples (nonsquared ) just for curiosities sake overnight.

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipNERtQJXhyNYHdGQtkuent5undNVyXBNJY4FJCS/photo/AF1QipNp1sHT-rwtu3E9xaJnrZ9FuBrW01pRlNmnqAL7

You did that in Blender? How'd you get her into Blender? Ooopsy, never mind. I could never figure out how to get that script working.

"You did that in Blender? How'd you get her into Blender? Ooopsy, never mind. I could never figure out how to get that script working."

There was a version for poser but it seems to have vanished but probably moot as poser now has its own iteration of cycles. The DS version is pretty easy, for me at least, and blenders PBR is much more forgiving to users who dont have certain high end GPU's

Anyway here is the higher res version of Vicky 2 in cycles.

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V4 is still a great figure, and the artists who have and still supply her with goodies are the best IMO. I've been gone from the hobby for a year or so and when I decided to return I was worried that I would find her support to be gone but she's still deeply rooted in the community, that must mean something, right? I think she deserves some props, for a figure that can be used in multiple platforms with very little work she is the perfect go to girl.

Continue creating for her and I will continue to buy.

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LaurieA posted at 11:38PM Mon, 01 August 2016 - #4275287

I vote that as a Wings3D user, I can bash Blender users.

Kidding....I'm KIDDING!! LOL

Laurie

Yeah, you said it, Laurie. Fuck them Blender users; what do they know? Wings is the absolute bestest software of any kind ever. ;)

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Another added bonus is that one can always depend on DAZ to drop their prices on a lot of V4/M4 content (1300+ items) - like right now - $4.00 ea.

The best part, look for the bundled content at the same price. You will reap the benefits of getting several different packages dirt cheap, including V4 and M4 base with Morph ++.

And this is the conundrum for vendors.

Making content for V4 means they are competing with every vendor that has ever made content for V4. So it has to either be better than the best of what was made (economic value of the 2nd item), or it has to be something that hasn't been made (And yes, there is A LOT of areas that haven't been covered - I could really, really use male and female clothing from the '20's. Women didn't actually run around in flapper dresses every single day; and in the '50's adult fashion didn't remotely match what teenagers wore - which isn't available either.)

Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow).

"Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)."

Actually, DS workflow allows you to fit even more existing clothing to new figures via clones. They don't really need an extensive wardrobe. I can fit V3 content to Genesis 1, 2 or 3 if I want. So it's not only Poser workflow that can use clothing they already own. Just to add, new revisions of clothes are released specifically take advantage of the new shapes for support and has better materials. Also fitting those existing clothing in DS is way easier than having to deal with the fitting room. Thanks.

MartinX posted at 9:54PM Wed, 03 August 2016 - #4278579

"Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)."

Actually, DS workflow allows you to fit even more existing clothing to new figures via clones. They don't really need an extensive wardrobe. I can fit V3 content to Genesis 1, 2 or 3 if I want. So it's not only Poser workflow that can use clothing they already own. Just to add, new revisions of clothes are released specifically take advantage of the new shapes for support and has better materials.

Really? What kind of materials?

Iray support, updated textures, and most of them come with added clothing morphs that wasn't there before. But to brand a re-release just for the sake of a re-release is unfair. Some people, put effort in an updated version.

MartinX posted at 3:59AM Thu, 04 August 2016 - #4278579

"Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)."

Actually, DS workflow allows you to fit even more existing clothing to new figures via clones. They don't really need an extensive wardrobe. I can fit V3 content to Genesis 1, 2 or 3 if I want. So it's not only Poser workflow that can use clothing they already own. Just to add, new revisions of clothes are released specifically take advantage of the new shapes for support and has better materials. Also fitting those existing clothing in DS is way easier than having to deal with the fitting room. Thanks.

Using clones for fitting will only work for specific genesis figures. Fitting room will fit clothes to any figure. New material fits are for DS only, so of little use for Poser users.

I am arguing the workflow statement that was made, which is false, because I can fit older clothing on new figures. Thanks.

MartinX posted at 8:15AM Thu, 04 August 2016 - #4278585

I am arguing the workflow statement that was made, which is false, because I can fit older clothing on new figures. Thanks.

I'm sorry, I don't think the statement was false, although I will concede that it may depend on what your interpretation of the word "rework" means. To me, and I'm assuming the poster, the term does mean to "update" since they're not really making new mesh but refitting the old one to include the new figure shape.

And granted, the Fitting Room may be more "involved" but it is also far more varied in what figures it will support.

Why don't we just call this a "draw" since both systems have obvious pros and cons?

" rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)"

My issue with this statement is that the latter applies to DS as well, and is not a Poser ONLY workflow. So it should not be classified as one that only applies to Poser. I don't really care what system has pros and cons. There are two aspects mentioned. 1. That in DS the workflow is to buy and resell content and that you can't convert clothing, and that you can only convert clothing in Poser, as described. Had the poster said "potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Poser and DS), then there is no issue.

Keep it on topic. No point in arguing anything as it will get this thread closed and get people in trouble. Besides, I think we're all tired of the software war.

Do you still use V4?

Have a creative day!

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Yes, I still use V4.

The 3Dcheapskate* occasionally posts sensible stuff. Usually by accident.
And it usually uses Poser 11, with units set to inches. Except when it's using Poser 6 or PP2014, or when its units are set to PNU.

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3dcheapskate posted at 10:11AM Fri, 05 August 2016 - #4278778

Yes, I still use V4.

What do you use her for?

EClark1894 posted at 10:46AM Sat, 06 August 2016 - #4278800

3dcheapskate posted at 10:11AM Fri, 05 August 2016 - #4278778

Yes, I still use V4.

What do you use her for?

Rendering images of the the model I would imagine.