I am creating a cyborg suit for Miki 4. In the render you can see the left arm - all me. I modeled it. The eye, all me too. There will be legs that I also modeled, and you can't see it, but there is a spinal implant that I modeled. So what's the question you ask?

The prosthetic devices on her face and torso are made from her mesh. They are shell extrusions. So the question is, if I do this, can I distribute this as a freebie? Or does the fact that I used her mesh to create these negate that fact?

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You guessed it, you can't use them.

Anything derived from a copyrighted mesh, no matter how changed, is still technically part of that mesh. Otherwise, everyone and their dog would be making and selling/giving away bodysuits/masks/cowls/skullcaps etc for every figure ever made by doing essentially the same as you did. In fact, that's pretty much how a bodysuit is made anyhow. In fact, it would be the quickest and simplest way to make almost any kind of clothing.

I know for a fact there are some masks and stuff out there - not made by the figure owners - derived from the original figure mesh but that doesn't mean it's right to do so; it just means they haven't been found out.

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That's kind of what I figured. I just had to make sure I was right about it.

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Hello Rokket. Poser comes with 6 meshes that allow this.

The Poser-Pro figures, Low and Medium resolution, male and female, so that are 4 figures.

And the Poser11 Paul and Pauline.

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Yeah, I am going to have to remodel those parts. I will have to work a bit harder to make sure they are skin tight like those extrusions are. The whole reason I went that route was to give them an implanted feel.

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If you make the mesh penetrate the figure instead of sitting on top, you'll get the effect you're after. I guess it won't be applicable in every instance but it'd certainly work for a spine piece.

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I can venture a guess that the Poser 11 fans would love to see this for Pauline!! With the recent sales the Poser 11/PP11 user base is growing.

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Although the above is correct, the one fact that is not mentioned is that you need the copyright owners permission. Ask Smith Micro if you can use the mesh to do what you are trying. They may say yes based on the fact the newest figures are allowed to be used in the way you are using Miki4. If they say Yes then you are good.

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Richard60 posted at 12:56PM Mon, 28 November 2016 - #4291205

Although the above is correct, the one fact that is not mentioned is that you need the copyright owners permission. Ask Smith Micro if you can use the mesh to do what you are trying. They may say yes based on the fact the newest figures are allowed to be used in the way you are using Miki4. If they say Yes then you are good.

I'm not so sure. The way Nerd3d was talking prior to Poser 11's release, there seemed to be some roadblock to having both Paul and Pauline available for use as resources, although they did eventually get it squared away. At least, that was my take on it.

So? I will have to write it again :

Poser comes with 6 meshes that allow this. The Poser-Pro figures, Low and Medium resolution, male and female, so that are 4 figures. And the Poser11 Paul and Pauline. It is very clear in the Poser Eula. But who reads those things? LOL. Best regards, Tony

SamTherapy posted at 12:29PM Mon, 28 November 2016 - #4291183

If you make the mesh penetrate the figure instead of sitting on top, you'll get the effect you're after. I guess it won't be applicable in every instance but it'd certainly work for a spine piece.

That was my intention. In Blender, there is the shrink wrap utility, when you first apply it, the mesh gets pushed into the mesh. I am hoping this will do the trick. Well, that and a good modeling job.

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tonyvilters posted at 12:31PM Mon, 28 November 2016 - #4291224

So? I will have to write it again :

Poser comes with 6 meshes that allow this. The Poser-Pro figures, Low and Medium resolution, male and female, so that are 4 figures. And the Poser11 Paul and Pauline. It is very clear in the Poser Eula. But who reads those things? LOL. Best regards, Tony

I am using Poser 10. I don't have access to any of those figures...

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tonyvilters posted at 3:39PM Mon, 28 November 2016 - #4291224

So? I will have to write it again :

Poser comes with 6 meshes that allow this. The Poser-Pro figures, Low and Medium resolution, male and female, so that are 4 figures. And the Poser11 Paul and Pauline. It is very clear in the Poser Eula. But who reads those things? LOL. Best regards, Tony

Wasn't really the question being asked Tony. Granted, Paul and Pauline are currently the only two figures that allow this, but Nerd did mention that there had been discussions along thee lines of allowing other figures to be used as resources as well. To my knowledge it has not gone any further. However, that does not mean that if someone asked, allowances couldn't be worked out.

Hi Rokket, you can always ask SM.

Miki4 is however a special case since she does not belong to the figures that come with the app.

I remember questions and discussions about Rex and Roxie, Jessy, Sydney, but Miki4 was always on another level.

Yeah, I just deleted all that work and I am going to start over. I want to release this and I don't want any issues with copyrights or anything else on my head.

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Rokket there is an offset property in the shrinkwrap modifier that will let you pull the mesh in closer or out . You could use this to move the mesh out a bit and then use the solidify modifier to give it thickness.

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Great tip! I forgot about the solidify modifier. Thank you!

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The solidify modifier will let you apply thickness either way, you know. I'm doing something wrong, but if I can just figure out what, i can apply thickness to just the parts or sections I want on an object. My guess is I need to use the vertex group modifier.

That would be my guess. I am not familiar with all of Blender's tools yet. I do most of my modeling in Wings and then bring it into Blender for shrink wrap and some other tools I have figured out how to use.

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Well I'll be an Onkey's Muncle. It worked. I am not keeping these boots. Actually, I might, but not for this project. I am going to make the legs to match the left arm. The right arm and torso will be covered in the costume made from the shrink wrap and solidify technique.

Vey Kool...

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I can never repeat anything I have ever created. I guess that's why I save everything I create. Here is my attempt at using the shrink wrap and solidify utilities to create her body implants. Not the same, but not bad either, I guess...

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It looks impressive.

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It looks impressive.

Thanks! I have been struggling lately to do anything modeling...

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Just one more section to complete. But I am not sure what I am going to do to finish it...

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where is the like button?

Yeah, this project is coming along just fine. Besides the left arm, I added this minigun. The shrinkwrap idea worked great.

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Hope she doesn't need to scratch her nose. Could end up with a perforated head. :D

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Nah, she's right handed. It's fairly normal...

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So...

Right handed - in fact, so strongly right handed she has to use it to scratch her nose? And has a powerful weapon in her left hand?

I can't see where anything could possibly go wrong there.

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But then again, in all the cyborg movies I've ever seen, I don't recall ever seeing one scratch its nose...

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That's because they don't want a perforated head, silly. :)

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I finished the magazine and belt feed, so I thought I'd alter the pose a little for ya, Sam... scratching, picking... it can be done safely!

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Cool. Bet she can't juggle, though.

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You got me there...

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I've seen people juggle one handed. I'd bet she could do that. But where in that suit will she carry a hankie?

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I've seen people juggle one handed. I'd bet she could do that. But where in that suit will she carry a hankie?

You don't want to know. Really, you don't.

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LOL!!!!

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LOL, probably not.

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And if you find it, don't pick it up...

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Hehehe...

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Excellent work here! and ... Naughty, naughty ... LOL.

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That came out of her nose? Maybe she does need to use her other hand.

Nice head on shot.

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Maybe I should have put an unconscious clown in the scene...

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Ah, she pulled it out of a clown's nose. I see.

You really need help.

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Where is the face palm smiley?

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Okay, I put a texture on the ball, so now it's a bomb, a la Green Goblin....

And she didn't pull it out of her nose, or anyone else's nose. It came from a panel in her leg...

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Ok, that's cool, hidden panels, or maybe not hidden, except from my point of view in the legs.

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There is one panel in the right leg. I'll have to do a render with it open once rig it.

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Aha! A "Leg's open" pose.

Note the apostrophe.

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SamTherapy posted at 2:51PM Mon, 12 December 2016 - #4292484

Aha! A "Leg's open" pose.

Note the apostrophe.

Couldn't help yourself, could you?

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Nope.

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One final look. I am still working on the leg. I am not quite sure how I am going to model the compartment just yet. I tried a loop cut earlier, but the faces left over wouldn't extrude in Wings. I may switch over to Blender or 3DS Max later and see what I can do. But it's almost midnight and I have to get up at 5AM.

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The gun looks much better now it matches the overall colour scheme. If you have MLab for Wings, you could use a boolean to make a hole in the leg, with a matching door.

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I found it. I will install it and see what I can do with it...

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How do I use it????

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What I mean is, I kept getting a popup telling me it wasn't a Wings Plugin module...

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Ah, sorry. I have an old version of Wings which incorporated MLab. I don't think it's available any more. There was supposed to be a new, Wings friendly plugin but it seems they haven't done it.

Maybe the Wayback Machine can help.

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I would like it, but I guess I can figure out another way of doing things. Thanks anyway, Sam.

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You have mail.

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SamTherapy posted at 3:50PM Fri, 16 December 2016 - #4292807

You have mail.

Seen and answered!!!

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Done!

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