anyone interested in exactly why G3 and G8 crash carrara?

it's not the weightmapping causing the "crash".

There is a very specific thing in G3 and G8 that cause the crash.

Certain clothes will crash Carrara for the same reason.

if 100 or more carrara users post that they are interested in this topic, I will ,,make screenshots to explain ... ...

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I would like to know.

Is it machiavellian or doh moment on why

I wonder if we can reach that number. I hope so

I'll tell you why in three letters -- D - A - Z.

Just to boost the numbers...

Yes please show the screen shots

Hell yeah

Are there even a hundred Carrara users that still visit Renderosity?

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How about if 20 say yes? I am interested.

gittin' those nummers up ;-)

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I don't use Genesis yet but interrested...

I'd be intterested in knowing.

if we don't reach a hundred .. can we comment two or three times.. :) and pretend we are more people

At this rate we may have to. Three times may not be enough.

it's not immediately apparent, but once it clicked

delurk for this!! it's worth it.

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These are all Carrara users.....

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I didn't think my neck was that big!!

Wonga posted at 10:40AM Mon, 21 August 2017 - #4312574

These are all Carrara users.....

the rest of us are in the stadium seats behind him

pep rally Carrarians

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Count me in

Yes! I'm always interested in that kind of information.

there's been 140 views of the topic.... does that count

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oh dear, G8M out? does he crash?

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I can get Genesis3 in without crashing, but so far G8F does make Carrara crash, sadly. I'm very interested to know, so here's my vote too.

jonstark probably counts as five people.

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this really all of us?

disclaimer: i not making statements, this is just my personal experience with G3.

so, basically, convert g3 to blended rigging, it still crashes.

ready?

spoiler alert!.

typos!!
(not poking fun, i type typos all day long.)

found a couple dozen typos in the g3s duf files. and seems to be carried over to the g8s

typos like #lLipCorver. url in the scene nodes, looking for its joints, but typo in the url doesn't match the id for the joint.

#lLipCorver. for #lLipCorner

seems like there is carrara confusion with lCarpal2 and lCarpal2-1

Thanks for delurking

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i converted g3f to blended rigging first step,

then tweaked a typo, load in carrara, ctash, tweak next typo, load, crash, til i got up to lCarpal4, after that, she fully loaded in carrara

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guess wasnt so exciting after all lol

screenshot is the dson editor. .duf version of a cr2 editor.

if only there was a .car editor lol. would like to know how to inject morphs into a total car figure

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Typos???? Really? That's just ....... well ........ uuummmmm ...... sloppy! Did you try reloading your typo fixed version back into DS? Does it work better, the same, or does it not work? Makes me wonder how it works in DS, maybe they have some sort of error handling to make these mistakes non-mistakes??

Thanks Misty, and thanks for all your work on this!!!

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my theory is ds is looking up the name, where as carrara is looking up the id.

i did offer this info to rhymes with razz, they deleted the threads. basically, got the treatment like the vwd

did my carrara civic duty lol

i'm impressed by the rmp people, they actually tried j & j. tested it.

rhymes with razz replied it wasnt what they were looking for at this time, wouldve been nice if they'd atleast tried it out. c'est la vie.

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it's a part of their plot to kill Carrara

I speculate

I guess we can speculate here

and the cheek of a certain mod on that forum saying they did not want to settle for a lesser featured figure than in Rass Spudio!! or Poser for that matter, HickDeads

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wendyvainity posted at 1:56PM Sat, 26 August 2017 - #4312981

it's a part of their plot to kill Carrara

I speculate

I guess we can speculate here

and the cheek of a certain mod on that forum saying they did not want to settle for a lesser featured figure than in Rass Spudio!! or Poser for that matter, HickDeads

Or, to add to your speculation, maybe it's just that either they weren't smart enough to figure it out, or that they didn't care (weren't able to care??) to even try, because those in charge have decided Carrara is not worth their time ($$$$), and there will be no further investments in doing anything related to Carrara.

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Technical reasons I can understand - but typos??!! As has been said, that just sounds sloppy.

PhilW posted at 7:43PM Sat, 26 August 2017 - #4313002

Technical reasons I can understand - but typos??!! As has been said, that just sounds sloppy.

mebbe more like indifference prolly

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or laziness?

and now is carried over to gen8

the toe thing in victoria 8 morph is whats killing me now

same thing to a lesser degree in olympia 8 morph

cant imagine them fixing this for us

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those toes look fine to me, thanks so much for all your work in this!

if you can figure out how to make Carrara save sizes as small as Studio, that would make so much easier :)

Wait a second. It could look like DazStudio never wanted G3 to be used in Carrara as they do not support or work on carrara anymore and are focused on DazStudio, like they want that their figures or models will only work on Daz and no other software... That sounds a bit like DazStudio wants to sabotage Carrara but why could there be a reason to do that? Maybe the reason is that they've found out that Carrara doesn't get them that much money like they hoped to get and they get much more with just DazStudio... So they are just a bunch of cash-hungry pillok?

If so, than it would be very interesting if DazStudio would sell the whole Carrara Project to some independent programmer who are also using Carrara for 3D.

Still here.

Arthritis in the feet and toes. Ouch.

anyway it's on;y one foot's toes :)

Thanks for the info. I haven't tried looking at the figure coding, it is rather advanced for me. But I've been wishing I could use Genesis 8 in Carrara.

Molly HD for G8F

If the problem is just the one foot, I suppose we can work around it. Just keep it from being visible. But maintaining ownership of Carrara and then sabotaging it makes me angry.

all g8f full body character morphs miss those 3 toes.

think i've narrowed the problem down to the root region.

there's some trickery with the toes, they arent "true" bodyparts. cant tick the individual toes invisible.

the g8male foot has like 2,000 more polys than the female, his feet seem okay, havent seen signs of the dreaded toe distortion.

on the female, it's always the same ring of polys being missed by the morph, corrective morphs are feasible, it sucks tho to need an extra workaround

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It seems to be just the big toe that is affected this time. The other two seem ok.

I've only just seen this. All good stuff.

Maybe a shader preset could make these toes invisible and then create a conforming figure for prosthetic toes?

discovered the other day there is a vendors workshop forum. i posted in there i'd be interested in making carrara presets for G3 outfits. shoes are tricky. will see what happens. that forum pretty quiet.

also discovered prime has a monthly freebie and gives a 20% monthly coupie. :bouquet2:

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Thanks!!

Janette and Johnathon safe for another 6 months. lol

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mmm I wonder if using attenuate for that body part in morphloader pro could create a corrective

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Aten U 8s?

the problem childs are actually 10 lil polies around the toenail. it drags the neighbor polys up with them, looks exponentially messy

i'm adding a new morph category in the g8f morphs tree, naming it 'Carrara, Correctives'. creating x,y,z sliders for each naughty toe group. could use them to fix wayward problems for any of the g8f fbms

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Can you use Carrara's vertex modeler or Studio's geometry editor to show us the wireframe of which polygons are the problem? Or how to identify them? I wonder if it could be fixed with an FBM or weightmapping.

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Can you use Carrara's vertex modeler or Studio's geometry editor to show us the wireframe of which polygons are the problem? Or how to identify them? I wonder if it could be fixed with an FBM or weightmapping.

if you dial up the V8 morph a bit in the beta, looks like everything is moving except those polys.

the original problem isn't with the V8 morphs, or jcms, mcms.

there's trickery in the toe regions.

my theory atmo they forgot to include those 30 polys in the region trickery.

the games afoot dear watson

testing - i've re-done the V8 morph, exported geometry, re imported as new morph. the same thing happens with toes.

but when i convert G8F as a prop.

then import the V8 body morph to the prop, the morph works fine!

and the root regions are in the geometry section of the dsf. :doh:

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I replaced all the the Corver with Corner and fixed the Carpel mismatches on a blended weight save of G8.1 basic female

the good thing is it now doesn't crash Carrara

the bad thing is you get nothing but a bounding box and a DSF error ?

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another issue needing correcting is the tongue parts.

In the duf, the tongue nodes is tongue01, tongue02, tongue03, tongue04 in the dsf file, the tongue nodes id is tongueBase, tongue01, tongue02, tongue03

poor carrara old girl cant properly parent the nodes with muck like that

this carried over to the 8.1

found that the toe bug is verts missing from the root region array. also carried over to 8.1

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Enlighten me.

Now you woke the zombie thread. She already enlightened us. It's a typo issue with the toes of the female G3 and G8 models. It could have been fixed at the source, but it seems no one at "rhymes with Razz" wanted to fix it.

Oh no Zad would never rush to the next version with out fixing the last. Is there really any point to new figures other then selling new clothes? Everyone rushes to the latest flavor of the month when it is still just ice cream.

I did not notice that the last several posts brought the thread up to date. Oops!

Tech is a treadmill, and 3D is tech-based. There will always be new, more demanding, more resource-intensive stuff. I think a lot of the new-figure effort is intended to produce more realistic posing and render results. Yet, those goals remain elusive.

Sorry to say but that is more render engine then model. I can get good renders out of carrara with V4. I only have 1 reason to want to use G3.8 in carrara, that is what all the free clothes are made for now lol