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This is Project Evolution.

I think I will stay with the 'Project' part because after release, which I hope will be this xmas, I doubt that work on her will cease. She will probably entirely live up to her name. There is so much I still want to do. In a way I really hope that vendors will take certain parts over from me. Project Evolution is huge, I can barely keep up with the feedback I'm getting from my betas. Project Evolution is extremely ambitious. She is attempting to do several things at once:

• Give you a fun and high-spec realistic looking lady in your Poser scenes
• Overcome your Poser figure trauma / skepticism with a pure Poser-tech figure
• Convince some old-school tech-nuts of some pretty outrageous rigging
• provide a fast way to rig complex clothing for this figure

Why?

I've gone over this story so many times in my head, why bother make Project Evolution? I can list a lot of different reasons, like I've done for years, from feeling challenged, to feeling defiant, for wanting money, for wanting something different, to just fulfill a promise... but the one reason that kept on pushing me on, was seeing my friends and fellow artists struggle to decide to stay with their current software, or migrate to a new one just for the figures ... that didn't sit well with me at all. Without saying anything about the software, switching working environments is not a joke, especially for people heavily invested in that environment (I mean heavily). And what made it worse, is that Poser was very capable of most of the things that my friends wanted, all that was needed is some idiot to do it. Was I to be that idiot?

Now, I'm in a bit of a unique position when it comes to Poser. Without sounding like a total snob, but probably sounding like one anyway, I'm actually independent of the whole figure circus: I can make my own stuff. I made just about all the content for my first three comics myself. I shouldn't even need to worry. Poser is great because its a super simplified version of Max, or C4D. I love it, for comics, Poser is THE sh!t, despite its issues. But not everyone has the time, or experience I have. And some of these people are my buddies that I spend a lot of time with, farting around with render battles, goofing around with characters posing and acting out the most hilarious stuff that I can bore you with in chatrooms about. They struggled to uproot themselves and find a new way. I felt bad for them. I couldn't hand over my Victoria 4.LaliBits.v32.markVIII.Karat24.Hybrid.X23.cr2 to every Poser user I wanted to help. DAZ would take me to town for that.

So you could say: ok you dumbass, why didn't you just take some Poser figure, like Dawn, or Pauline, or even Genesis 2, and work on them instead of making an entire figure yourself? Well, they all have 'some issue' don't they? Now before I invite every fan club of every Poser figure out there to come defend their figure here, this is not an attack, this is an approach.

There are many ways to approach the whole figure design for a CGI application, and it entirely depends on what it is that you want to do with this figure. Many approaches, no matter how cleverly thought out, will be met with limitations. Guys, even this one will have limitations. Even DAZ weren't free of this as they developed their figures. They've done an amazing job with their figures so far, attractive, versatile, well supported. But this is only relevant to people that really want all that. Some folks are just happy with Pauline, and they mean it. Look in the galleries, a Pauline posed with a nice set of hair with some dress, and boom, fun. They're happy. That's the whole point. Nothing to argue there can you?

But there's also another caliber of artist out there that are more demanding... I mean VERY demanding. Like bordering on evil demanding. I am not even the worst. And you need to let us exist. Some of the art that my buddies crank out put me to shame, with the amount of detail they put into it. I once spent two days revamping my own version of V4 for a friend of mine, detailed to the nines, and he still complained about it. Picky! But that is art for you... Roxie wouldn't even register in the dude's brain. He's a master, he deserves a good figure.

So yeah there are demands, and all figures will have their limitations. 'Some issue' could be anything from not having enough polys, to having rigging that would have to be done from the ground up anyway, not having genitalia, looking weird, from just not being native to Poser, sure, you could re-design an existing figure, fashion loads of work-arounds and constructions to get past the legal issues... but how about just being independent of all that? If you're going to go through all that trouble to fix a pre-existing figure... why not just make your own?

Boom. Project Evolution.

I did my best folks, I hope it will work for you!

disclaimer: if I die before xmas, don't hold me accountable. Thnx

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Hi Ero, thank you for this figure. Thanks for all the effort, you put in her. I guess, we owe you some hair, some years and some extra vacation. You said, you did the best you can. We were watching the devel... evolution for years. We know for sure, you did your best. You did better, than most of us ever could. It is now time for you to lean back and relax. The rest is now up to us. To make our scenes, our wardrope, our morphs, our poses, our stories, our images with her. Again thank you.

So many words to describe: Awesome, Impressive, Excellent... I'm glad I came back to PoserLand for this. Great Job on her, erogenesis!

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Have to see if Claire will agree to a bit of spending after Christmas.

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Here are some pictures of the project from the other threads. Betas, you can now to post your stuff here too!!!!!

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thank you very much Timber, jartz and Sam! I hope this will work for you all!

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The default face looks very much like my grand-niece.

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Woot! Looks great Erogenesis!

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Excellent! The expressions look fantastic and the body shapes make her super versatile!

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Will she still be sold here at Renderosity as well? Assuming she's submitted, tested, and accepted, of course.

tiggersprings posted at 9:20PM Tue, 19 December 2017 - #4320598

Will she still be sold here at Renderosity as well? Assuming she's submitted, tested, and accepted, of course.

According to the info panel showing the wireframes, it will be sold at Rendo.

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She's so much fun to work with! I love what Ero's done with the handles and the rigging. Here's a little sample of what I've been doing with her. :)

She's very easy to pose too!

Here a PE render with a dynamic v4 cloth.

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tiggersprings posted at 9:20PM Tue, 19 December 2017 - #4320598

Will she still be sold here at Renderosity as well? Assuming she's submitted, tested, and accepted, of course.

According to the info panel showing the wireframes, it will be sold at Rendo.

Ah. Ok. The video page just mentioned CGBtytes between Christmas and New Year. I'd prefer to buy here, if possible.

This is PE's built-in Nordic Girl character morph, V4 Hot Dress converted using the included system for easily adapting V4 clothing to PE, Ali's hair 162, and Alisia high heels for G3F rigged to conform to PE. The dudes are Hero David and Hero Antoine (not yet posted to freebies) for Paul wearing the Classic Tuxedo for G3M. The makeup is Antenais's classic G2.

This is the included Night Elf character with V4 Ranger converted using the provided system, Allessa hair V4, Atenais's Classic G2 makeup.

The Smexey Layday built-in character morph with V4 Pussycat converted using the supplied system, Gregoria hair, and Atenais Classic G2 makeup.

I'm looking forward to the release, although is there an inkling to price?

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erogenesis ,We can't ask for more then your best and I'm sure she's killer. but there's always haters n trollers ,that's not worthy to call them self's Artist so just ignore them.

about you disclaimer ,Your just not aloud to die before xmas but it wouldn't hurt to leave Project Evolution to the Poser community when you go to that great big CGI community in the sky Decades n Decades from now.

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RorrKonn posted at 3:01PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320643

erogenesis ,We can't ask for more then your best and I'm sure she's killer. but there's always haters n trollers ,that's not worthy to call them self's Artist so just ignore them.

there are no haters, if you've done a good job.

RorrKonn posted at 3:59PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320643

erogenesis ,We can't ask for more then your best and I'm sure she's killer. but there's always haters n trollers ,that's not worthy to call them self's Artist so just ignore them.

So far I cannot complain. Nobody has been a-hatin' on PE yet. Maybe after she's out that might change lol But maybe it might not be so bad because I'm really not going to be stupid and promise the world to people. That's when you're just asking for it. I think everyone kind of knows the deal with PE by now. If she works for you, great, if not, no problem, there's always V4, Dawn, Genesis, and who knows Bella and maybe even Ambientshade's figures.

But yeah one of the hardest parts about a project like this, is knowing you cannot make everyone happy. So many decisions get made along the way in the tiniest corners of development, and each of them could be a colossal screw-up in the end, for just that one person, or group of artists. So yeah, like I said, I went with my instincts as an artist, basically making the perfect girl for me, but with my friends in mind. I hope that works out for others too!

RorrKonn posted at 3:59PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320643

about you disclaimer ,Your just not aloud to die before xmas but it wouldn't hurt to leave Project Evolution to the Poser community when you go to that great big CGI community in the sky Decades n Decades from now.

lol. I have no problem at all with handing her over to other people, as long as I still get to guarantee some control over the project.

"The fool is not the one that does something foolish, but the one that does nothing at all."

I don't expect it to be 100% perfect. What I don't like is sloppyness and thinking they get away with this. This is so SmithMicro. What is different, this time is, that we could watch, how this baby has come alive. We have been updated almost monthley about PE status for years. We all were updated, on what issue Ero is working on. To be honest, most of us even didn't know, there was an issue like this. And we have thousands of renders showing Pe's bending abilities. This is why people trust in his work. My very first adjustment on PE would be most likeley changing proportions. Height, body part scale ect. The next and most difficult step for me is, how the hell can I get a Roxy character out of her? ;-)

About pricing and selling.

I'm kicking this baby off at CGbytes hopefully at Xmas, if not then just after (it also needs to be Q&A'd). CGbytes was practically made for Project Evolution because my main location Renderotica wouldn't be a suitable place to host something like this. The manager of CGbytes invested a lot in me and PE for years, it was also his idea in a way, so we do owe him some support. Its a very safe place, a lot of work went into it, and with the release imminent, you will be seeing some changes at CGbytes soon. Renderosity knows about the deal and they're supporting it anyway. They've supported figures from other stores for years, and they really want so see Project Evolution kick off too. I think we Poser users all really want a fun and crazy new Poser figure that doesn't hold back in any way, don't we?

But guys this is probably just the tip of the iceberg. So much can change still and it all depends on you. I will be listening, vendors will be listening. There's also much I still want to do but I won't be able to get it all done this year. The important thing is to get the ball rolling. The betas have been having fun with her and helping iron out the kinks. I'm working on the last beta version for the final test. The girl is actually just ready and I want to throw her at you and see what happens.

Pricing... not entirely finalized. My initial idea was to sell her in bits and pieces, in modules, but that doesn't give vendors the freedom they need to create wild characters for you, and we definitely want that, right? So it might be the whole thing for now. There will probably be a free demo version, which I will make available here too, but its just a very basic version to get an idea. It will definitely be a fair price lol!

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My very first adjustment on PE would be most likeley changing proportions. Height, body part scale ect. The next and most difficult step for me is, how the hell can I get a Roxy character out of her? ;-)

haha, don't worry, we'll make a plan

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erogenesis posted at 4:49PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320668

About pricing and selling.

Pricing... not entirely finalized. My initial idea was to sell her in bits and pieces, in modules, but that doesn't give vendors the freedom they need to create wild characters for you, and we definitely want that, right? So it might be the whole thing for now. There will probably be a free demo version, which I will make available here too, but its just a very basic version to get an idea. It will definitely be a fair price lol!

Haha, I am used to DAZ Complete Figure Bundle prizes. Don't worry. How much worse can it get?

erogenesis posted at 9:54AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320668

About pricing and selling.

I'm kicking this baby off at CGbytes hopefully at Xmas, if not then just after (it also needs to be Q&A'd). CGbytes was practically made for Project Evolution because my main location Renderotica wouldn't be a suitable place to host something like this. The manager of CGbytes invested a lot in me and PE for years, it was also his idea in a way, so we do owe him some support. Its a very safe place, a lot of work went into it, and with the release imminent, you will be seeing some changes at CGbytes soon. Renderosity knows about the deal and they're supporting it anyway. They've supported figures from other stores for years, and they really want so see Project Evolution kick off too. I think we Poser users all really want a fun and crazy new Poser figure that doesn't hold back in any way, don't we?

So the base won't be available here or just not right away? I don't shop at small, third-party sites. I have too much content that is irreplaceable from when I used to shop at smaller stores that have disappeared (usually without notice). Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding. I haven't had enough caffeine.

tiggersprings posted at 4:58PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320673

erogenesis posted at 9:54AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320668

About pricing and selling.

I'm kicking this baby off at CGbytes hopefully at Xmas, if not then just after (it also needs to be Q&A'd). CGbytes was practically made for Project Evolution because my main location Renderotica wouldn't be a suitable place to host something like this. The manager of CGbytes invested a lot in me and PE for years, it was also his idea in a way, so we do owe him some support. Its a very safe place, a lot of work went into it, and with the release imminent, you will be seeing some changes at CGbytes soon. Renderosity knows about the deal and they're supporting it anyway. They've supported figures from other stores for years, and they really want so see Project Evolution kick off too. I think we Poser users all really want a fun and crazy new Poser figure that doesn't hold back in any way, don't we?

So the base won't be available here or just not right away? I don't shop at small, third-party sites. I have too much content that is irreplaceable from when I used to shop at smaller stores that have disappeared. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding. I haven't had enough caffeine.

don't worry cgBytes is not a small 3rd party site. It is as trustfull as any other Rendo, DAZ site. You can pay with Paypal, if you like.

-Timberwolf- posted at 10:10AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320675

don't worry cgBytes is not a small 3rd party site. It is as trustfull as any other Rendo, DAZ site. You can pay with Paypal, if you like.

I'll have to think about it, but after the drive malfunction I had earlier this year, I'm really not comfortable shopping at other sites and losing more content from a store that may have just up and disappeared one morning. I got lucky with the great drive disaster of 2017 and didn't lose a lot that I care terribly about, but still the ones I lost were things I paid for. I didn't think Paypal would be an option at CGBytes because they have some more risque products. So that's something I didn't know.

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Very lovely clothing, Karanta.

RorrKonn posted at 11:40AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320691

tiggersprings , I had,have Floppys ,CD's ,Flashes etc etc. External Hard Drives are big enough n every thing is in one place .very nice ,neat n fast. I LOVE !!! External Hard Drives.

Timberwolf ,Cockroaches trollers n haters will survive Armageddon.

I don't want to derail Ero's thread on his lovely new figure, but here's what happened to me earlier this year: http://fav.me/dbx7cfr Sometimes multiple backups are still flawed and one still loses purchased content, not to mention a lot of other tings.

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A few more renders to showcase PE's versatility and character range.

I half to say all the renders look really great PE is killer & noiseless renders are a beautiful thing.

erogenesis I got a tower routers switches n all and if I get my unsavvy tech self to get it to work it will be a xmas miracle. and I did it all ALL just for PE ;) Anyways now I need some change for Cigs. So what's the rules for being a PE vender ?

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Here's an example of a character built with the included morphs, which are extensive!

Might I suggest you make scenes to go with PE .lights poses cloths hair etc etc .and make Ready to Render scenes. So when they load PE n hit render n post there renders they look killer. Wouldn't have hurt if Pauline 2 would have had Ready to Render scenes. A good sales man will sell more bad cars ,The a bad sales man selling good cars.

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What I like most about her is that she doesn't look like a stick figure - she looks real which is no small accomplishment eg :) It seems to be especially noticeable in the shoulder/arm area. Just my impression so far.

I'll try crank out some simple scenes, not sure if I'll have the time this year lol.

Just getting the materials in order!

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-Timberwolf- posted at 4:55PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320667

My very first adjustment on PE would be most likeley changing proportions. Height, body part scale ect. The next and most difficult step for me is, how the hell can I get a Roxy character out of her? ;-)

haha, don't worry, we'll make a plan

Thank you very much. I actually will come back to that. Till now, I don't have any idea, how to do that. I guess, I'm gonna go with a trial and error process. ;-)

Meh. It's not bad but I bet it can't morph into a Dalek. ;)

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Seriously impressive..... I have some of your items from the place that can't be mentioned, always top quality stuff. Can't wait for this, hopefully a figure that I can use instead of V4...

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Here are a sample of expressions I created using the face handles, which are extremely flexible. I've done expressions for comic book heroines and villainess, sultry, and winsome.

Angry

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World ain't exploded yet.

Wait ,What ,Got to go out with a bang.

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OK folks, I've been trying to get decent renders for days, and finally have a couple to show off. This is Evo wearing the dress FVerbaas created with MD7, which I modified some in Blender 2.78.

It also took a while to find just the right Cloth Room settings, but I think I've finally got something decent, and Evo was really anxious to try it on, especially when I showed her not 1, but 2, textures for the dress. She even got a little "haughty" when she posed for this.

Of course she looked at me strange when she realized I didn't have any shoes for her.

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Very smartly dressed, I can see why she'd be miffed at not having the right shoes to go with the dress. :) I like the hair you used with that outfit, very fitting. Which one is it?

Thanks Kalypso. The hair is Biscuits Lemon Hair, and I begged her on CGBytes for a PE fit since she's only been including those in her newest hair products.

The texture for it is from the NHC Expansion: Lemon Hair by P3D-Art. Both available here in the RMP.

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Thanks for the links!

You're welcome Kalypso, and Biscuits uploaded the Lemon Hair fit, and another one, Echo Hair I think, to her freebies section, so don't forget to grab it while you're at it.

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lol ok, maybe AFTER xmas. Like I said 'around xmas'.

Anyway, the figure is done. Materials done, but there's so much more I wanna do. This project is stupidly big, super ambitious, which is why I'm kicking it off with an "Early Edition". She needs to get out into the world now! I'm going to send the final runtime to my betas now. Once they confirm, and once I have the documentation ready, I'm submitting it. Q&A might be out for xmas, so it could take a day or so, but don't worry, its on its way.

For now, Merry Christmas ya'll!

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1st rule of fight ... Oh wait wrong movie. ;) PE is your mesh to do with as you please but I would sell her at all the stores. Especially the bigger stores and the stores where every one knows you.

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@Rorrkonn: don't worry this is just the tip of the iceberg. I wanna kick it off at CGbytes because they've been so supportive every step of the way (they're the reason I can even do this), they've been eager to release this figure since 2014, and its part of the reason why CGbytes was even built. But they also want Project Evolution to work for everyone, and I'm sure they'll work with other stores if needed. For now, let's just take it one step at a time and see what people think of this girl. There are a lot of lost Poser artists out there looking for something like this. I hope this is relevant to them.

I've made figures like this for myself almost routinely, the problem is that its an ongoing process. Like the Genesis figures, its an ongoing process of improvement. This 'Early Edition' should help people get a fairly solid idea of what is possible, and hopefully get the ball a-rolling for Poser users again.

My art is all about 'just do it'. If you think about all the obstacles, you might as well stop now. Like my signature says: 'The fool is not the one that does something foolish, but the one that does nothing at all.'

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erogenesis It's always cool when your friends have your back like CGBytes.

I'm sure PE is a killer mesh. but V3 n V4's timing was perfect for Poser .Other then not having the patients for listening to some one that can't make a CGI rock tell me ever thing they thinks wrong with my characters. I know the odds are long to hit those heights again. So just make your mesh n let the red robes worry about stats. I know why DAZ does what they do but I still like 5 best.

Wait ,Think about it ? ah then I would go get a easy job like ,physics ,rocket science ,computer science or some thing easy like that .Hello world ;)

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Merry Christmas from PE Early Edition with Ghostman's definition morph!

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Hey Ghostman, I played with the Definition injection, and I like. It just needs a proper thumbnail for my Runtime.

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@MissB. Thumb is finished. ;)

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merry xmas ya'll

back in action tomorrow!

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@MissB. Thumb is finished. ;)

Grabbed it, and also left you another message over at CGBytes about the Bikini.

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Hey guys, looking good. I can't wait to see it soon!

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Here's hoping it'll at least work in DS. Let other artists sort out the skin materials and morphs. As long as the rig works properly, then that should be enough to work with.

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@ Ghostman Nice work Ken. I didn't figure you for a crack addict.

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Hey peeps, the girl is very close to getting submitted. Testers are going over the whole package thoroughly. I cannot wait to experiment with this girl myself, I haven't had a proper chance to do so during development!

So this is the "Early Edition", which means that all the important bits are there, but some things still need to get added, like more poses and certain detailed morphs. It was either that or wait until it was done, which could easily be a few more months!

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Evolution is getting ready to welcome the New Year!

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She looks fabulous!! Looking very forward to adding her to my runtime!! Cheers!!!

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OK, after several tries, I think I'm finally happy with a texture set for the Bikini Ghostman created for Evo. I also used the Definition morph by Ghostman, as this time I got it to work as expected.

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submitting now... eh I mean yesterday. Ran into some documentation issues. Fixed now. Almost there...

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PE works great with Octane as well....

She is relly great and that huge amount of morphs included, it is unbelievable what you did for the community. Thanks!

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Something nostalgic with the Nordic girl. My fav morph with Anna the irish one.

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This is most likely a really stupid question so please forgive me for asking but...

Is there any chance the figure will work in an earlier version - Pro 2012 - with reduced functionality? I'd love to upgrade but it's out of my budget for the forseeable future.

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Well Sam, I think you're out of luck, because there are 2 Base figures . . . one for P10, and one for P11, and IIRC, PP2012 is the pro version of P9.

That said, I jumped from P9 to PP11, so can't test in PP2012 for you, and it's possible the P11 base is more attuned to SuperFly, rather than differences in functionality, but I'm just not sure.

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SamTherapy posted at 9:31PM Tue, 02 January 2018 - #4321450

This is most likely a really stupid question so please forgive me for asking but...

Is there any chance the figure will work in an earlier version - Pro 2012 - with reduced functionality?

I just checked it, the figure loads, not all morphs work and when I started a render Poser Pro 2012 shutted down, May be it's due to the textures.

But at the moment there is a great deal for upgrading, IIRC 50 bucks.

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Jules53757 posted at 10:56PM Tue, 02 January 2018 - #4321458

SamTherapy posted at 9:31PM Tue, 02 January 2018 - #4321450

This is most likely a really stupid question so please forgive me for asking but...

Is there any chance the figure will work in an earlier version - Pro 2012 - with reduced functionality?

I just checked it, the figure loads, not all morphs work and when I started a render Poser Pro 2012 shutted down, May be it's due to the textures.

But at the moment there is a great deal for upgrading, IIRC 50 bucks.

I agree it's a great offer. Don't have the funds, though. I've blown our money on luxuries like bread and electricity.

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chrismas came and went where is it? take my money already :)

I love the Elf

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Project Evolution is now Live at CGbytes! (Rendo will get the free demo too, perhaps also the content dev kit)

There is:

• The FREE Demo version
• The main Early Edition version ($29.99)
• The content dev Kit (beta though!) ($5)

Please be patient with this project. Its not your average Poser girl! Please also help each other.

(can I post links to other stores here?)

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Just got her! Thank you erogenesis. Now to do several hours reading of the manuals!

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RoseHawk posted at 2:42AM Fri, 05 January 2018 - #4321616

Just got her! Thank you erogenesis. Now to do several hours reading of the manuals!

haha, I recommend setting a nice pot of tea, kick back, and take your time. I hope she'll be fun for you to use.

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Jules53757 posted at 11:55AM Fri, 05 January 2018 - #4321499

I love the Elf

She is very cute. What I love on her is that she has not this childish face which many Elfes have.

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For your rendering pleasure, I have posted a freebie Project Evolution Expressions for the hot new girl. Be forewarned that the powers that be managed to perceive nudity (!?) and slapped such a thumb on the product.

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In the full version there are SO many morphs, it took me a day to try them all out.

Compared to V4, it’s like you get the addon morph packs and many different characters including HR textures all in one with PE Early Edition. And for such a low price!

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I LOVE HER!!!!! And thanks for the free expressions. I will definitely get them.

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

I have got the hang of the clothes fitting as you can see.

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

I did have to use the morphing brush a bit but i have learnt to do conversions a bit better after this one.

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I aim to update it about once a month.  Oh, and it's free!

and because i toon and postwork pictures for my comic, i had to try PE...

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She scales amazingly. I can make lots of different age groups and builds etc.

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Posing her is much easier than with V4 I find.

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It is a big value what you get for that money. When I think about the V4 Pro package I bought with IIRC 3 Cars, OK a little bit more dresses, that is a big difference and direct out of the box she is beautiful

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Got her...will play later. Thanks Ero :)

Can Project Evolution Early Edition figures and content be used ROYALTY FREE in commercial projects (ie.. movies, games ect..)just like Smith Micros Poser Pro content?

If so can the license supplied with Project Evolution be updated to say that.

Downloaded and installed the Demo version. Early days but it does seem to work - with limits - in PP 2012. More later.

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She was discounted for a bit last night, along with the dev kit, what happened to the discounts?

Hey just a quick message to let you all know I'm reading all the amazing and enthusiastic responses and reactions to PE! I confess I'm helluva nervous, the response is pretty overwhelming, but its awesome to see everyone just digging into the figure and keeping an open mind. The next step will be the content and apparently Karanta already released something over here at Rosity!!!! <3

Also I wanna say that if you're a vendor and you're interested in making content for her, but you're experiencing difficulty, please contact me if you need help or have questions (erogenesis.artATgmail.com). I'll probably also add you to the private forums so that you can discuss with other peeps how to do this and that.

So far I think everyone has gotten the point, that slight imperfections are to be expected. I will try get some centering poses added and maybe make it possible to ground some of the poses already in the package. Again its an absolute thrill to see people just fire her up and just get results immediately. Thank you for buying her, thank you for checking her out!

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@tiggersprings: I heard about that. I think she just got caught in the tail of the new years sale that was still going on. I think it was only the dev kit that got a discount.

@avlon123: I have no concrete plans for that yet, but I will give it a think. I do realize it could be fun to have PE in a game but we'll have to think about how to set up that license.

@esther: I really really wanted to add some poses that would work with panko's weapons but didn't have time. I'll try add them to an update.

@robzhena: coool!

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erogenesis posted at 9:09AM Fri, 05 January 2018 - #4321664

@tiggersprings: I heard about that. I think she just got caught in the tail of the new years sale that was still going on. I think it was only the dev kit that got a discount.

It was both. The base was $22 and some change and the dev kit was $3 and some change. I had downloaded the PDFs and readme to look over to see if I wanted to try to register for the site and at least try the demo today.

I got her yesterday..love her ( so far:)). Looking forward to taking time to get to know her better.

Based on what I've seen so far, after playing with the Demo version in PP 2012, I will definitely be buying the full version as soon as possible. An absolutely superb figure.

One thing I discovered - which incidentally also works with Bella - selecting "Poser" from the Skinning Method options makes it work much better in my version of Poser. So, maybe not ideal but at least a workaround which gives some functionality,

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I've not had much of a chance to try much but she's looking very good so far.

philebus posted at 12:16PM Sat, 06 January 2018 - #4321703

I've not had much of a chance to try much but she's looking very good so far.

I am speechless. This is amazing in any direction. bravo, clap, clap, clap. :-)

philebus posted at 12:52PM Sat, 06 January 2018 - #4321703

I've not had much of a chance to try much but she's looking very good so far.

Hell's bells, that's bloody amazing.

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Is there any possibility to use V4 morphs (mostly face) at Evolution?.. I got some furry morphs to try on her. A creature creation morph set would be awesome too..

It is usually difficult to project morph targets over to another mesh geometry. Even if it worked, you had to deal with ugly distortions on small mesh strutures such as teeth.

She's in Blender now, making a new dress from scratch for her. She is too good for hand-me-downs.

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I love the way she bends and moves and stuff! She is a wonderful figure!!

Unfortunately I have not had a bit of luck fitting V4's cloths to her..spent all day yesterday trying, using the instructions with the mannequins and such..no luck I do hope some of the awesome vendors make some great stuff for her!!

Congrats on PE's release and good reviews. Does bytes do paypal ? Maybe do some real good youtube vids with the mannequins fitting V4's cloths. Youtubes selections of texturing can't say are extensive .feel free to make some real good texturing vids also. between the flu, new pc n texturing problems . haven't been around much but I hope PE does really good.

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RorrKonn posted at 11:10AM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321764

Congrats on PE's release and good reviews. Does bytes do paypal ? Maybe do some real good youtube vids with the mannequins fitting V4's cloths. Youtubes selections of texturing can't say are extensive .feel free to make some real good texturing vids also. between the flu, new pc n texturing problems . haven't been around much but I hope PE does really good.

yup , you can use paypal.

digitell posted at 11:46AM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321745

I love the way she bends and moves and stuff! She is a wonderful figure!!

Unfortunately I have not had a bit of luck fitting V4's cloths to her..spent all day yesterday trying, using the instructions with the mannequins and such..no luck I do hope some of the awesome vendors make some great stuff for her!!

Well, I'm not good in modelling clothes but with the mannequins and the instructions it was really easy for me to convert V4 clothes to PE. They fit perfectly. Until now I have only little problems with shoes but IMO I used to much bones in the feet, I'll try a little bit more.

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Jules53757 posted at 1:56PM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321766

Until now I have only little problems with shoes but IMO I used to much bones in the feet, I'll try a little bit more.

Indeed for shoes try to do them one by one and when working on the left shoe move the right foot/shoe out of the way and vice versa, The feet are quite close together on zero pose so the morph copy process of one foot may be contaminated by 'cross talk' from te other foot.

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Bonjour Today i have bought and test Project evolution I like it very much but i have a problem when i render her See on my screen capture all this points which we can use to morph for example the head and put some smile How to don't see them when i render Thanks

in the parameters under body there is a section "rig controls" . This has a dial to turn off body controls so you can render without them.

Hello, If you select PE's Figure>Body.. you will see under POSE Controls there is Rig Controls. Dial RIG-Hide Body Controls to 1.0 and that will hide those dots and should not show in your render.

I hope this helps!!

Ah...Nails60 beat me to it! Hope these instructions will help you!! :)

I had posted earlier that I was having issues with fitting V4's clothing to PE.

Erogenesis helped me along by posting some slightly altered instructions, which worked perfectly for me!

I was sooo excited to finally be able to fit Hongyu's Cowgirl jeans to PE!!

Here is a pic of her wearing them and the hair fits perfect with no alteration! It is Bolina Hair.

Erogenesis you rock!! Many Thanks!

Thanks Nails600 and Digitell for your fast reply

digitell posted at 4:13PM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321745

I love the way she bends and moves and stuff! She is a wonderful figure!!

Unfortunately I have not had a bit of luck fitting V4's cloths to her..spent all day yesterday trying, using the instructions with the mannequins and such..no luck I do hope some of the awesome vendors make some great stuff for her!!

You are not alone...

It's fairly easy to convert "street clothes" [i.e. pants / jeans and top] See the last post in my gallery... I converted BDUs, a Tac Vest, and boots from clothing sets by Billy-T but I've had similar trouble using the fitting room to convert full length dresses such as "Sensibility". Also sandals seem to be an issue. I've converted most of Renapd's "Semiramis" set with the exception of the sandals.

It might be my inexperience with the fitting room though... So I guess I'll have to learn more about the fitting room before "When in trouble or in doubt / Run in circles and scream and shout" will apply.

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digitell posted at 4:13PM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321745

I love the way she bends and moves and stuff! She is a wonderful figure!!

Unfortunately I have not had a bit of luck fitting V4's cloths to her..spent all day yesterday trying, using the instructions with the mannequins and such..no luck I do hope some of the awesome vendors make some great stuff for her!!

You are not alone...

It's fairly easy to convert "street clothes" [i.e. pants / jeans and top] See the last post in my gallery... I converted BDUs, a Tac Vest, and boots from clothing sets by Billy-T but I've had similar trouble using the fitting room to convert full length dresses such as "Sensibility". Also sandals seem to be an issue. I've converted most of Renapd's "Semiramis" set with the exception of the sandals.

It might be my inexperience with the fitting room though... So I guess I'll have to learn more about the fitting room before "When in trouble or in doubt / Run in circles and scream and shout" will apply.

Hi Gishzida!

Yea it is not all that easy for peeps not all that familiar with the fitting room. I posted about my problem to CGBytes and Erogenesis responded with instructions on how to get it to work. Let me post the procedure that Erogenesis told me to follow:

1. load V4, inject the PE shape
2. load the jeans, conform to V4
3. bring the Jeans to the shape of PE by passing on the PE morph injected into V4( I just did the "copy morphs from V4 method"
4. you can leave those jeans conformed to V4
5. load the skintight mannequin, just leave it, don't conform it to anything
6. in fitting room: jeans are the object (do not zero), mannequin is the goal (do zero)
7. create figure: transfer morphs, autogroup, zero
8. once done, back in the pose room, 'transfer Joint zones' from mannequin
9. then load PE
10. conform new jeans to PE (remove old jeans, V4 and mannequin if you want)

This was for a pair of jeans I was trying to fit to her but I am sure you can try any other clothing using these instructions. I hope this helps you!!

Here I vamped her out..trying to figure out the vampire teeth, They seem to be set where you cant move the dials on them..so post work on teeth and eye textures. She is wearing V4 MFD.

digitell posted at 6:48PM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321814

Hi Gishzida!

Yea it is not all that easy for peeps not all that familiar with the fitting room. I posted about my problem to CGBytes and Erogenesis responded with instructions on how to get it to work. Let me post the procedure that Erogenesis told me to follow:

1. load V4, inject the PE shape
2. load the jeans, conform to V4
3. bring the Jeans to the shape of PE by passing on the PE morph injected into V4( I just did the "copy morphs from V4 method"
4. you can leave those jeans conformed to V4
5. load the skintight mannequin, just leave it, don't conform it to anything
6. in fitting room: jeans are the object (do not zero), mannequin is the goal (do zero)
7. create figure: transfer morphs, autogroup, zero
8. once done, back in the pose room, 'transfer Joint zones' from mannequin
9. then load PE
10. conform new jeans to PE (remove old jeans, V4 and mannequin if you want)

This was for a pair of jeans I was trying to fit to her but I am sure you can try any other clothing using these instructions. I hope this helps you!!

Saw your post there and Ero's response [We are running him ragged! Thanks for all your hard work Ero!]

I tried it. It didn't work. The long sleeves of the dress are too far out of alignment to the PE morph. The sleeves end up fitting over nothing.

It's too bad there isn't a upper body morph for v4 clothing to fix that.... hmmmm.... wonder if I could do that with a morph...

I think I read somewhere that some of her dials aren't operational as yet. They're for future work that's still on-going and to be released at a later date. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong ? So far, I'm having a lot of fun playing with her..especially her facial rig dials :)

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digitell posted at 6:48PM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321814

Hi Gishzida!

Yea it is not all that easy for peeps not all that familiar with the fitting room. I posted about my problem to CGBytes and Erogenesis responded with instructions on how to get it to work. Let me post the procedure that Erogenesis told me to follow:

1. load V4, inject the PE shape
2. load the jeans, conform to V4
3. bring the Jeans to the shape of PE by passing on the PE morph injected into V4( I just did the "copy morphs from V4 method"
4. you can leave those jeans conformed to V4
5. load the skintight mannequin, just leave it, don't conform it to anything
6. in fitting room: jeans are the object (do not zero), mannequin is the goal (do zero)
7. create figure: transfer morphs, autogroup, zero
8. once done, back in the pose room, 'transfer Joint zones' from mannequin
9. then load PE
10. conform new jeans to PE (remove old jeans, V4 and mannequin if you want)

This was for a pair of jeans I was trying to fit to her but I am sure you can try any other clothing using these instructions. I hope this helps you!!

Saw your post there and Ero's response [We are running him ragged! Thanks for all your hard work Ero!]

I tried it. It didn't work. The long sleeves of the dress are too far out of alignment to the PE morph. The sleeves end up fitting over nothing.

It's too bad there isn't a upper body morph for v4 clothing to fix that.... hmmmm.... wonder if I could do that with a morph...

I have that dress Sensibility. I have my big computer shut down now and am in "watching TV mode" but in the morning I will give Sensibility a try and see if I get the same issues you do.

Yep..giving Ero a real work out! He has the flu so hopefully he will just rest up and get well before diving in to help us with our problems!

freyfaxi62 posted at 7:13PM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321821

I think I read somewhere that some of her dials aren't operational as yet. They're for future work that's still on-going and to be released at a later date. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong ? So far, I'm having a lot of fun playing with her..especially her facial rig dials :)

Ah OK I see now. Thanks for posting about it..I wasnt aware of this yet. She is a work in progress so maybe those items will come available later on! Thanks!

digitell posted at 10:21PM Sun, 07 January 2018 - #4321824

I have that dress Sensibility. I have my big computer shut down now and am in "watching TV mode" but in the morning I will give Sensibility a try and see if I get the same issues you do.

Yep..giving Ero a real work out! He has the flu so hopefully he will just rest up and get well before diving in to help us with our problems!

I took a second try at it by exporting it as an obj file then importing it in again. I took it to the cloth room did a simulation to drape it then took it to the fitting room and made it into a conforming dress and re-added the morphs from V4 [with the PE morph]. I did not re-run the fitting against V4... but the fit from the cloth room did give it a bit of a dumpy look. I then ran a fit of the dress against the Dress mannequin but that didn't work either... I ended up with flat arms on top of the mannequin [rather than through the sleeves] and a split in the front of the skirt skirt [not suitable for a proper am English miss to wear in the colonial Raj of south asia!

I'll give it another go later today...

Did you use weld identical vertices when you imported? Did you use the dress mannequin?

I have no time to look or test now on this dress. Results of these transfers depend on the original material. I had best results with a dress like Sensibility with it grouped 'abdomen' all the way down and in the cloth room clothify the abdomen group; so conform where tight and dynamic where loose.

I am stumped by the enthusiasm I'm seeing everywhere. Yes I'm sick as a dog but I still do my best to follow everything hehe. Thank you for buying and playing with her guys!

The basic theory behind the fitting rooms with PE is to:

1. get whatever garment you want to first 'appear to fit' PE's shape (so not by conforming or parenting, just by having it in the scene over a zero'ed PE, or rather a zero'ed mannequin).
2. then slap some PE bones on it (through fitting room's create 'figure button')

That's basically it. There are many ways to achieve step 1:

1. If it was made for PE the garment will already 'fit' the shape.
2. If its a V4 garment: load V4. Zero her (like proper zero zero). Inject PE's shape provided. Load a V4 garment. Transfer PE's shape to that garment (check all conforming attributes)
3. If its a V4 garment you can also try and scale and rotate the garment to 'fit' PE. Shoes work best like this. There is a pose available that provides a rough fit without injection.
4. You can zBrush (GoZ) it to fit.
5. You can use the morph brush in Poser to make it fit.
6. One could use the fitting room tools... (I never do, they confuse me. So rather don't go there gish)

Point is, it really doesn't matter how you get the garment to fit, as long as it somehow sits OVER PE's mesh before you start rigging it in the fitting room. So gish you need to pull those arms back somehow. If they didn't get pulled along with the PE morph, then that's strange and I'll have to investigate why that is.

A few pointers for the process:

• never at any point conform the mannequins to anything (not V4 or PE). They're just there to pass along information.
• Don't conform a V4 item directly to PE = hell on earth. Just bring it to shape (like mentioned above), then make a converted version using that shape, and THAT converted version, will fit PE.
• You can keep your injected V4 + conformed garment in the scene along with the mannequins and PE while converting. No need to hide them or anything. The mannequins can hang around at the back of the scene, they get zero'ed in the fitting room anyway. V4 and her garment needs to stay in the middle though.

Also, indeed if the fitting room is too much for you, don't worry. It is indeed not the easiest of processes but 1. vendors are watching and I know there are garments in the works (give them time like you did with me, hehe), and 2. I bloody well hope SM are watching too so that they now have an incentive to improve and weaponize the fitting room.

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gishzida posted at 11:27AM Mon, 08 January 2018 - #4321832

I'll give it another go later today...

OK I tried it with a dress with sleeves and it seems to be ok. Here are some steps:

This is the dress on V4:

After you inject the PE shape and transfer it to the dress too...

...it should look like this:

Here's the view from the arms to prove it works:

V4:

and then PE:

now load the dress mannequin:

throw it through fitting room using these settings (manual has much more detailed instructions about how to avoid the handles interfering):

And boom, it should work:

I did move the right dress handle forward a bit for a pokey, but the rest is fresh from the fitting room. Never forget to re-transfer the joint zones (weight maps) after it comes back from the fitting room. Manual tells all!

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erogenesis posted at 7:31AM Mon, 08 January 2018 - #4321845

I am stumped by the enthusiasm I'm seeing everywhere. Yes I'm sick as a dog but I still do my best to follow everything hehe. Thank you for buying and playing with her guys!

The basic theory behind the fitting rooms with PE is to:

1. get whatever garment you want to first 'appear to fit' PE's shape (so not by conforming or parenting, just by having it in the scene over a zero'ed PE, or rather a zero'ed mannequin).
2. then slap some PE bones on it (through fitting room's create 'figure button')

That's basically it. There are many ways to achieve step 1:

1. If it was made for PE the garment will already 'fit' the shape.
2. If its a V4 garment: load V4. Zero her (like proper zero zero). Inject PE's shape provided. Load a V4 garment. Transfer PE's shape to that garment (check all conforming attributes)
3. If its a V4 garment you can also try and scale and rotate the garment to 'fit' PE. Shoes work best like this. There is a pose available that provides a rough fit without injection.
4. You can zBrush (GoZ) it to fit.
5. You can use the morph brush in Poser to make it fit.
6. One could use the fitting room tools... (I never do, they confuse me. So rather don't go there gish)

Point is, it really doesn't matter how you get the garment to fit, as long as it somehow sits OVER PE's mesh before you start rigging it in the fitting room. So gish you need to pull those arms back somehow. If they didn't get pulled along with the PE morph, then that's strange and I'll have to investigate why that is.

A few pointers for the process:

• never at any point conform the mannequins to anything (not V4 or PE). They're just there to pass along information.
• Don't conform a V4 item directly to PE = hell on earth. Just bring it to shape (like mentioned above), then make a converted version using that shape, and THAT converted version, will fit PE.
• You can keep your injected V4 + conformed garment in the scene along with the mannequins and PE while converting. No need to hide them or anything. The mannequins can hang around at the back of the scene, they get zero'ed in the fitting room anyway. V4 and her garment needs to stay in the middle though.

Also, indeed if the fitting room is too much for you, don't worry. It is indeed not the easiest of processes but 1. vendors are watching and I know there are garments in the works (give them time like you did with me, hehe), and 2. I bloody well hope SM are watching too so that they now have an incentive to improve and weaponize the fitting room.

I think that is where I may have had the "blow up" issue...I was conforming the mannequin to PE.

The instructions for the mannequin may need to be fixed then because on step 2 it tells us to bring in PE and drag the mannequin on top of her (to conform).

I no longer am having this problem..also..I was loading in PE instead of V4.

I may have interpreted it wrong too because no one else seems to have had this problem! At any rate..sooo glad we got it figured out! She is a fantastic figure for us to get to know! Bravo Ero! !

I tried the Sensibility Dress and noted that before I checked the When Conforming areas under Properties, the sleeves did hover above the arms as you mentioned Gishzida. When I checked the boxes under When Conforming the sleeves popped into place.

There is a area just below the hip area where I think the dress may have torn..there is a couple small holes in the dress...

I put a different texture on the dress..of course that wouldn't fix it but thought it might now show as bad as the blue texture did.

I had a similar abdominal tear with a converted V4 Spacesuit. I wondering if the autogroup feature in the Fitting Room is responsible for the anomaly. Need to test further, otherwise, the posing and bending were phenomenal without poke through. I would post, but not at my computer ATM.

hborre posted at 9:47AM Mon, 08 January 2018 - #4321872

I had a similar abdominal tear with a converted V4 Spacesuit. I wondering if the autogroup feature in the Fitting Room is responsible for the anomaly. Need to test further, otherwise, the posing and bending were phenomenal without poke through. I would post, but not at my computer ATM.

That very well may be it..I am not sure how the dress would convert not choosing that autogroup but it would certainly worth giving it a try!

Ah so the tears come from the handles interfering with the autogrouping as we discovered during beta... which surprised me that Poser let that happen since I deliberately omitted the geometry of the handles in the mannequins to avoid this. Pointless thus.

However there is a fairly simple workaround. You basically fool poser into using simpler autogrouping from a previous session. It sounds annoying but its not that hard.

You actually just rig it twice: once without the handles (just select the essential bones like chest, abdomen, hip etc, and NOT the handles. With the dress, you even ignore the legs), don't transfer the morphs and do autogroup. The first session just autogroups the mesh for you, don't bother with joint zones and morphs therefore. The second time round you use the result from the first session and rig it again to the mannequin, but this time round don't autogroup (because that was already done) but transfer the morphs, any bone / handle you like, and of course the joint zones / weight maps. This is also described in the manual.

Anyhoo I hope Smith Micro are watching because this can be fixed to work better imo. Same goes for this whole process. I'm sure many things here can be sped up eh?

@digitell: oops @ the manual saying to conform it. Indeed not even needed. Will change that.

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Thanks Ero! I did see the "running thru the fitting room twice" on the manual, will give that a try next go around. I have been converting cloths all day! Really getting the knack at it!

on updating the manual!

Thank you for all you do for us Ero! Hope you are feeling better!

I think when converting and you use that V4 shape pose, then you should check the keep deformations box in the fitting room or you lose the stuff you have just been to all the trouble to do.

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Okay based on both what Ero and you [Digitell] showed me I started over...

I tried to "follow instructions"

But obviously it didnt work. The arms were not in a position to be fitted... so I injected the V4 PE morph into the dress... then used the "V4 Rough fit PE" pose in an attempt to get the dress to move the arms of the dress over the arms of the mannequin.

I returned to the fitting room and made slightly different settings to set up: I did not zero the dress

The results of doing that were immediate to see:

So I ran the fitting:

As you can see the dress fits the way it should so I created a figure and gave it a name

[To Be Continued]

I then added the morphs:

and when I was done all was good:

All of the movement morphs work and there are no tears in the mesh of the skirt...

I'm not sure if this is the "right way" but at least in this instance it seems to work [No I did not have a PE model in the scene I just used the dress Mannequin]

Thanks for the help!

Glad you got it figured out! Very cool!

Also, dont forget to check those boxes under Properties>When Conforming. This helps a lot!

digitell posted at 8:57PM Mon, 08 January 2018 - #4321908

Glad you got it figured out! Very cool!

Also, dont forget to check those boxes under Properties>When Conforming. This helps a lot!

I saw that and yes I did check them off... I have been using the scaling / morph feature for years-- none of my ol' Daz v4 characters are ever scaled at 100%...

Thanks again for the help!

You are very welcome!! We all try to help each other along! Have fun!!

I have been converting clothes with the mannequin conformed to PE this whole time and my conversions have been successful. Ero, in your instructions you tell us to conform the mannequin to PE so now I'm confused. :)

Actually, PE does not need to be on the scene at all until you're finished converting the clothing. The mannequin does all the work. I'm glad all this is working out. I reran V4 Space Suit with the modified instructions and the final result came out as expected. Rendering right now in Superfly; should have an image posted shortly.

Here is PE in a converted V4 Space Suit rendered under an EZDome environment in Superfly.

Well I just tried it without conforming the mannequin to PE and that also works! The sandals are SAV's from the Electra outfit but the dress is a very old V1/2 dress for which I found I could easily approximate PE's shape just with scaling and the morph brush before taking it to the fitting room.

That looks beautiful Kalypso! What you are doing works perfect..I guess we all just have to keep at it until we find a way that works best! I was having issues with the mannequin and PE blowing up when I conformed the mannequin to PE..now I use V4 and the mannequin and do not conform the mannequin to V4 and it works perfect for me. Love how PE looks and works!

Could always use dynamics ? maybe ...

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I think she'll serve admirably on the Enterprise. Converted V4 Courageous Tunic to dynamic clothing in the Fitting Room, then ran a 30 frame fit pose, with a 5 frame drape, for a better overall fit. Quite pleased with the results.

Looks Good :)

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Uncle Ero is god. Every penny I've spent on his stuff has been worth it a hundred-fold. PE looks to be no exception. I expect my "other" Poser work will be postponed for a long while I come to grips with PE.

I love PE..still figuring out stuff like fitting V4 stuff to her..but I'll get there eventually with the help of posts like the above. :) I have one (only one ??) question ..as PE evolves..will the upgrades to her functionality ( eg..her morph dials and rigs) be free updates or will we have to pay more for her ? I'm not referring to custom morphs and texures from 3rd parties..just the base model.

freyfaxi62 posted at 2:53AM Sat, 13 January 2018 - #4322087

I love PE..still figuring out stuff like fitting V4 stuff to her..but I'll get there eventually with the help of posts like the above. :) I have one (only one ??) question ..as PE evolves..will the upgrades to her functionality ( eg..her morph dials and rigs) be free updates or will we have to pay more for her ? I'm not referring to custom morphs and texures from 3rd parties..just the base model.

I think fixes will be free... I've already received an update of the Clothing Mannequins package... not sure about new "versions" which add functionality that does is not currently in the PE model. I'm pretty sure Ero isn't going to go "hog wild" on adding stuff when Poser 11 is barely keeping up with what he has accomplished [This is after all mesh-Four-dot-something-or-other because P11 couldn't do Mesh 5]. When Poser catches up, I'm sure he'll start work on a new version in his spare time... [which is to say he isn't working on comics or having a real life]

Holy crap, I just might have to dust off poser once this hits as poser's characters suck in comparison; (including the ancient V4) and that was one of the major reasons why I never use poser as much anymore! I wonder if this will also be usable in Daz studio, as this would be an excellent competitor for Genesis/V 8, this is just what SM/Daz needs to up their game...Which is fine as you're still light years ahead, and I've already bought this, you just don't know it yet! ?

No sorry, she is Poser only. But! as long as you don't do animations, bake your PE scene as an obj static, that you export to DS. You will still need to make DS Iray skin shaders for her.

takezo3001 posted at 7:25PM Mon, 05 February 2018 - #4323775

Holy crap, I just might have to dust off poser once this hits as poser's characters suck in comparison; (including the ancient V4) and that was one of the major reasons why I never use poser as much anymore! I wonder if this will also be usable in Daz studio, as this would be an excellent competitor for Genesis/V 8, this is just what SM/Daz needs to up their game...Which is fine as you're still light years ahead, and I've already bought this, you just don't know it yet! ?

I truly miss the interface of poser and have for many years, the easy of lighting, posing, etc... When I saw the introduction of Evolution Demo and a few renders of the possibilities I had a ray of hope once it was in the hands of gifted artist to refine, since that time however I see nothing but old V4 clothing and props refitted for a model that is still decades behind Victoria 8 and maybe time would be best spent on getting V8 imported into Poser along with her clothing, poses, etc... than to try and play catch up on the model. Poser is ahead on the interface, get it to work with the content and the artist will return then we'll have the best models after we get the artist.

For These interested in some Bodymorhs for PE, I added some here into the freestuff area. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/ullis-bodymorphs-for-project-evolution-pe/78679

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Jules53757 posted at 10:16AM Thu, 08 February 2018 - #4324024

For These interested in some Bodymorhs for PE, I added some here into the freestuff area. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/ullis-bodymorphs-for-project-evolution-pe/78679

Thank you!

Jules53757 posted at 10:43PM Thu, 08 February 2018 - #4324024

For These interested in some Bodymorhs for PE, I added some here into the freestuff area. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/ullis-bodymorphs-for-project-evolution-pe/78679

Excellent. Thanks!!

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-Timberwolf- posted at 3:16PM Fri, 09 February 2018 - #4323825

No sorry, she is Poser only. But! as long as you don't do animations, bake your PE scene as an obj static, that you export to DS. You will still need to make DS Iray skin shaders for her.

Thanks for the info, as I said it will make poser viable for me again...Unfortunately, while the node-room is a joy to work within, its texture management is not really C&P friendly as you can't even use a scroll-bar like every windows program ever! But I will be able to put up with it for this character!

thanks :-) I like (your) custom body morphs. It's good to add some variety. I hope, we're not going into that pre-dialed morph set trap again, as we did on V4. Jules53757 posted at 6:06PM Sun, 11 February 2018 - #4324024

For These interested in some Bodymorhs for PE, I added some here into the freestuff area. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/ullis-bodymorphs-for-project-evolution-pe/78679

mfdoff posted at 3:19PM Sun, 11 February 2018 - #4323915

........., since that time however I see nothing but old V4 clothing and props refitted for a model that is still decades behind Victoria 8 and maybe time would be best spent on getting V8 imported into Poser along with her clothing, poses, etc... than to try and play catch up on the model. Poser is ahead on the interface, get it to work with the content and the artist will return then we'll have the best models after we get the artist.

you seem a lot more experienced than I. Not to create dissension, but I'm just confused. Is it the actual model construction, or just the look of it, you think are decades behind? Are there any Proj E models that are beautiful, gorgeous, or pretty? The products I see in the store, mostly look like girl next door types at best: frumpy, large waists. large bodied.....

-Timberwolf- posted at 12:07PM Mon, 12 February 2018 - #4323825

No sorry, she is Poser only. But! as long as you don't do animations, bake your PE scene as an obj static, that you export to DS. You will still need to make DS Iray skin shaders for her.

I got her in (demo version ) fully pose and morph ready in around 5-10 minutes.and Iray shader ready in 2 or less minutes (not really cause its that easy but because im just quick like that. lol) ,did a nice pose of her and it renders real nice in Iray from what i seen (but i cancelled the render just wanted to see if I could do it or not, curiosity testing i guess after reading your comment.) but then again I dont think im the average user either. I'm also pretty sure if he wanted her in there he would have released her compatible to both himself so out of respect for creator I will leave that or rather the info on that alone,maybe he does it himself down the line sometime.

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-Timberwolf- posted at 12:07PM Mon, 12 February 2018 - #4323825

No sorry, she is Poser only. But! as long as you don't do animations, bake your PE scene as an obj static, that you export to DS. You will still need to make DS Iray skin shaders for her.

I got her in (demo version ) fully pose and morph ready in around 5-10 minutes.and Iray shader ready in 2 or less minutes (not really cause its that easy but because im just quick like that. lol) ,did a nice pose of her and it renders real nice in Iray from what i seen (but i cancelled the render just wanted to see if I could do it or not, curiosity testing i guess after reading your comment.) but then again I dont think im the average user either. I'm also pretty sure if he wanted her in there he would have released her compatible to both himself so out of respect for creator I will leave that or rather the info on that alone,maybe he does it himself down the line sometime.

Heck! Let people know! I talk about hacking DAZ-only stuff for use in Poser all the time. More sales of PE would be good.

What is the full version PE's polycount ? I looked in Poser pro 14 and the subD's where zero. so PE's demo polycount is around 75936 ? What is the full version PE's polycount ?

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Sorry man I look at it like this He worked a very very long time (years) on bringing this character to life as a Poser exclusive figure, And yeah I know people have posted many times how to get certain things from one program into another which wasn't made to work in the other program. But I'm just not one of those people..sorry, like i said if he feels down the line that is what he wants to do..then I'm pretty sure he will do that himself its his figure.

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wait poser figures work in DAZ don't they ?

not to derail my own question

What is the full version PE's polycount ? I looked in Poser pro 14 and the subD's where zero. so PE's demo polycount is around 75936 ? What is the full version PE's polycount ?

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The mesh is the same for Base and Demo so the Polycount is the same.

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Jules53757 posted at 4:46AM Wed, 14 February 2018 - #4324328

The mesh is the same for Base and Demo so the Polycount is the same.

ouch

Thanks for the info

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Cheap stuuufff here (or something like that) :

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2817948&page_number=17#msg4324511

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And if nobody understood that : there is a freebie waiting at the end, some poses for Evolution Basic figure. An example, Never Safe For Work.

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