Khai-J-Bach opened this issue on Jun 20, 2019 · 160 posts
Khai-J-Bach posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 8:57 AM
soooooo Rendo now own poser.
news at 10.
-Timberwolf- posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:01 AM
WHAaaaaaa?!!!
Let me get this straight. No more SmithMicro, it is now Renderosity.
Khai-J-Bach posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:01 AM
yup. its official.
https://www.smithmicro.com/company/news-room/press-releases/2019/06/20/smith-micro-announces-sale-of-its-poser-3d-rendering-animation-software
karanta posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:04 AM
-Timberwolf- posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:07 AM
Well, not really sure, what to think. At least it sounds like a logical step, since the majority of Poser content has been sold here anyway ... ahm... since time began.
Khai-J-Bach posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:09 AM
"New Poses for Hydrogen, compatible with poser 1,2,3,4......"
ghostship2 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:12 AM
Yeah, SM Poser forum got cut off at the knees overnight. Guess it's back to the f**king Genesis trolls here on Rendo.
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infinity10 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:14 AM
I think it may be a very good thing.
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Khai-J-Bach posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:16 AM
ghostship2 posted at 3:16PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353581
Yeah, SM Poser forum got cut off at the knees overnight. Guess it's back to the f**king Genesis trolls here on Rendo.
well now they own the software.. they may enforce the rul.....oh gods I can't say that with a straight face...
-Timberwolf- posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:18 AM
Troll [t:roll] male: Person in an online forum, that refuses to share your opinion.
Khai-J-Bach posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:20 AM
psst they can be female as well.. of LBGTQ+.... it's not restricted in any way at all....
-Timberwolf- posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:22 AM
Khai-J-Bach posted at 4:20PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353587
psst they can be female as well.. of LBGTQ+.... it's not restricted in any way at all....
Sorry, german grammar issue. In german language, "Troll" comes with a male article. (Der Troll)
Cage posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:24 AM
This is a surprise. Smith Micro wreaked havoc with Poser over library cross-compatibility with their other software, then fired the programmers, then sold off the software. Weird, eh? Maybe development under 'Rosity will see them removing the "phone home" hassleware system.
The above sounds harsher than I intend, unless I read it back in the voice of Neil from The Young Ones. Since I'm rusty with forum posting, I'll append an insecure "Umm," here at the end. Umm.
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Cage can be an opinionated jerk who posts without thinking. He apologizes for this. He's honestly not trying to be a turkeyhead.
Cage had some freebies, compatible with Poser 11 and below. His Python scripts were saved at archive.org, along with the rest of the Morphography site, where they were hosted.
Khai-J-Bach posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:28 AM
well the first thing I'd do is, hire BB to redo the shader system. and possibly the library.
and give the option to avoid OpenGL and use DirectX etc and actually use the power in modern cards.. (other than rendering, I mean for layout... while most cards will support OpenGL, they are no optimised for it at all)
anymore ideas?
-Timberwolf- posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:43 AM
You can now look foreward to "Renda" again and maybe a "Renda 2". 
caisson posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:48 AM
To me this means that Poser content sales and software dev are more explicitly connected than before, which could be interesting. The key though, as ever, is money. What is Renderosity prepared to spend on Poser development? How many programmers will they hire? Will they tinker round the edges or invest in building a team for the longer term?
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Rosemaryr posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:50 AM
(I do hope they did a clean transfer of the licensing database, so current owners can get upgrades easily.... .............?)
hflam posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:50 AM
Good! I hate that "Download Manager" thing. Hope Renderosity will keep the download method simple.
-Timberwolf- posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:52 AM
How will it affect content diversity such as Iclone, DazStudio or any other software content? Will there still be DS content here in the future?
randym77 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 10:09 AM
Rosemaryr posted at 10:06AM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353602
(I do hope they did a clean transfer of the licensing database, so current owners can get upgrades easily.... .............?)
That was my first thought. The download manager thing worked very well for me. No hassles with serial numbers not recognized, as happened to me with E-Frontier. And no looking for disks when I hadn't used them in years.
It was very convenient when I had to replace a computer. I could reinstall Poser on my new machines very easily. I hope it remains as easy with Rosity in charge.
Glitterati3D posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 10:31 AM
La Femme says PARTY TIME!
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 10:55 AM
wheatpenny posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 10:56 AM Site Admin
-Timberwolf- posted at 11:55AM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353604
How will it affect content diversity such as Iclone, DazStudio or any other software content? Will there still be DS content here in the future?
Yes there will still be Daz Studio content here as always.
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Miss B posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 11:40 AM
But, but, but . . . what about all the great information on the Smith Micro Poser Forum, that's a very active forum! Is all that going to disappear?!?!?!?!?!?
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OK . . . Where's my chocolate?
Glitterati3D posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 11:48 AM
Miss B posted at 12:47PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353647
But, but, but . . . what about all the great information on the Smith Micro Poser Forum, that's a very active forum! Is all that going to disappear?!?!?!?!?!?
At least, for now, you can still READ that forum. You just can't post to it.
Give the new owners some time to transition.
FlagonsWorkshop posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 11:57 AM
Great news folks, I'm happy it worked out. Poser deserved much better than what Smith Micro was doing to it. I'm excited for its prospects.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 12:23 PM
I'm very pleased, specially with one thing: The Renderosity team LISTENS. Ever since I returned this january into Poser because of La Femme, I've always been pleased with how quick the R'osity team is to reply to my questions, to get problems solved, etc. They've been super kind to me as a vendor, too. I'm hoping this means that our requests for Poser can see the light of day in future versions. I'm super excited!
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A_Sunbeam posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 12:30 PM
OK. Now get all those who are keen on developing Poser to get working on what everyone wants to see in future versions of Poser. Rendo now has the opportunity to harness all that enormous talent to produce a really great program. Maybe Rendo could also get Bryce for those that love it?
tomyee posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 12:40 PM
Happy to hear this news, but am worried that at this rate, we won't see Poser12 until 2029... is the dev team still being paid to revamp Poser or were they laid off by SM as part of this sale? Or is Renderosity paying their salaries now?
SamTherapy posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 12:47 PM
Crikey.
Any road up, I hope everything goes well and that Poser continues to grow and develop.
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Miss B posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 12:48 PM
Glitterati3D posted at 1:48PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353649
Miss B posted at 12:47PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353647
But, but, but . . . what about all the great information on the Smith Micro Poser Forum, that's a very active forum! Is all that going to disappear?!?!?!?!?!?
At least, for now, you can still READ that forum. You just can't post to it.
Give the new owners some time to transition.
Here's hoping they DO transition it here. I would hate to see all of that great information lost.
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OK . . . Where's my chocolate?
Miss B posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 12:51 PM
A_Sunbeam posted at 1:49PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353657
OK. Now get all those who are keen on developing Poser to get working on what everyone wants to see in future versions of Poser. Rendo now has the opportunity to harness all that enormous talent to produce a really great program. Maybe Rendo could also get Bryce for those that love it?
Oh wouldn't it be wonderful if they were able to get the good old dev team back working on Poser??? I would love that.
As for Bryce, yeah that would be great too, but I suspect DAZ won't give it up. Then again, you never know, so one could always hope.
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OK . . . Where's my chocolate?
Meshbox posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 12:52 PM
This was destined for a very long time. Renderosity has made some investment already in compatible software with Blacksmith 3D and also has carried the torch on content as well by welcoming Content Paradise vendors like Meshbox Design.
Best regards,
chikako
Meshbox Design | 3D Models You Want
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 1:04 PM
Miss B posted at 2:03PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353666
A_Sunbeam posted at 1:49PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353657
OK. Now get all those who are keen on developing Poser to get working on what everyone wants to see in future versions of Poser. Rendo now has the opportunity to harness all that enormous talent to produce a really great program. Maybe Rendo could also get Bryce for those that love it?
Oh wouldn't it be wonderful if they were able to get the good old dev team back working on Poser??? I would love that.
I would be thrilled to death to see that happen!!!!!!!!!!
LaurieA posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 1:11 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I'll just wait and watch. But I have high hopes!! Just please don't make it a walled garden like DS for heaven's sake, I implore you! LOL
Oh, and FWIW, I'm glad SM sold it at least to someone who would give a damn about it ;)
Laurie
movida posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 1:47 PM
Hope they don't do what DAZ has done - everytime they buy someone out they close the forums, make use of all the individual user documentation and deny access. Rendo: please port the SM forums over here so the developers of that information can continue onward and help YOUR program evolve :)
movida posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 1:48 PM
I've also recently started playing around in Carrara and I'm impressed with it - next purchase Rendo lol
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:05 PM
movida posted at 3:04PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353689
I've also recently started playing around in Carrara and I'm impressed with it - next purchase Rendo lol
Metacreations also had Bryce, Carrara, Painter, Ray Dream Studio, Kai's Power Tools, tons of cool stuff. Spread out all over now.
FVerbaas posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:05 PM Forum Coordinator
Agree with Laurie here. Just wait and see what will happen.
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:08 PM
movida posted at 3:05PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353688
Hope they don't do what DAZ has done - everytime they buy someone out they close the forums, make use of all the individual user documentation and deny access. Rendo: please port the SM forums over here so the developers of that information can continue onward and help YOUR program evolve :)
Just thinking out loud here. Maybe the SM forums will stay open for the products they are keeping, so maybe the Poser info will stay there?
qaz posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:22 PM
Hang on La Femme no longer free ? Was this slipped in while attention was elsewhere ?
rokket posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:28 PM
The SM forum is already pretty much closed. It's read only right now. They don't know how long they will keep it open. And they said the software is too different to port anything over. I guess if you want information, you should cut and paste it.
If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.
randym77 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:31 PM
qaz posted at 2:29PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353696
Hang on La Femme no longer free ? Was this slipped in while attention was elsewhere ?
This happened once before, and it turned out to be a mistake. They made it free again.
However, it was my understanding that La Femme was always meant to be only temporarily free. Though they never said when that would change.
Glitterati3D posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:35 PM
randym77 posted at 3:33PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353700
qaz posted at 2:29PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353696
Hang on La Femme no longer free ? Was this slipped in while attention was elsewhere ?
This happened once before, and it turned out to be a mistake. They made it free again.
However, it was my understanding that La Femme was always meant to be only temporarily free. Though they never said when that would change.
La Femme 1.1 was released today.
wolf359 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:36 PM
IMHO the best thing the new owners could do would be to continue to promote the development of the La femme figure. and ,whatever eventual Male, as the flagship poser figures and establish UNIFORM STANDRDS for content with official content dev tools.
Developing content for the poser natives needs to be easier for aspiring content devs.
Update the vestigial animation tools and fix the IK solver and capitalize on the partnership with reallusion with a focus on animated filmmaking using poser figures
If the Lafemme base was free I would love to test the rig in Iclone and produce some animations with the figure now that my long term animated feature film is nearing completion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjokKZX1r6I
Rendo has great opportunity here to potential revive this application
Dont let it languish
randym77 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 2:46 PM
Glitterati3D posted at 2:45PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353702
randym77 posted at 3:33PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353700
qaz posted at 2:29PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353696
Hang on La Femme no longer free ? Was this slipped in while attention was elsewhere ?
This happened once before, and it turned out to be a mistake. They made it free again.
However, it was my understanding that La Femme was always meant to be only temporarily free. Though they never said when that would change.
La Femme 1.1 was released today.
I guess that explains the timing. Looks like it's a free upgrade.
Glitterati3D posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:02 PM
randym77 posted at 4:02PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353707
Glitterati3D posted at 2:45PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353702
randym77 posted at 3:33PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353700
qaz posted at 2:29PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353696
Hang on La Femme no longer free ? Was this slipped in while attention was elsewhere ?
This happened once before, and it turned out to be a mistake. They made it free again.
However, it was my understanding that La Femme was always meant to be only temporarily free. Though they never said when that would change.
La Femme 1.1 was released today.
I guess that explains the timing. Looks like it's a free upgrade.
It is a free upgrade to previous owners.
Letterworks posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:14 PM
If you read about La Femme 1.1 the figure now include improved Developer Kit to make content creation easier. I think that alone shows which way the dev team is moving for the future (edited) the FIGURE dev team that is, not necessarily the Poser team
Glitterati3D posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:25 PM
Letterworks posted at 4:20PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353711
If you read about La Femme 1.1 the figure now include improved Developer Kit to make content creation easier. I think that alone shows which way the dev team is moving for the future (edited) the FIGURE dev team that is, not necessarily the Poser team
Let me give you just a couple of examples that Letterworks is talking about.
Not to worry, everything that worked on La Femme 1 still works just fine.
But, we do have some additions to the DEV kits that will make rigging much simpler and faster for those who work with conforming clothing. Included with her are 2 high resolution DEV kits that are rigged practically from head to toe. Rigging is a quick trip to the Setup Room after importing your object and transferring the bones to your clothing.
Clothing comes out of the Setup Room like this. This image is from Import Object>Setup Room>Transfer Rig>Pose Room>Pose>Render.
That was Import Object
Setup Room
Double click the Hi Res Dev kit in the library
Click OK a couple times
Go back to the Pose Room
Conform and pose the clothing & figure
Render
This:
or this:
And, if you own the dc Body Kit morphs and/or the Blackhearted morphs, there is a simplified version to get them into your clothing with very little work involved in them looking GREAT.
So much, it's all in the new release (free upgrade to current owners) and Deecey has some videos coming out in a day or two.
randym77 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:33 PM
Sounds great. Though everyone's so busy talking about Rosity buying Poser that La Femme 1.1 is kind of lost in the shuffle. Maybe someone should start a thread about it?
FVerbaas posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:34 PM Forum Coordinator
Hmm interesting... It seems like someone has been listening .... LOL!
FVerbaas posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:41 PM Forum Coordinator
randym77 posted at 10:38PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353714
Sounds great. Though everyone's so busy talking about Rosity buying Poser that La Femme 1.1 is kind of lost in the shuffle.
Yes our new overlords are just as good at communication to the cows as our old overlords were. Good to see at least something that is consistent ? Now where do I find this update for LaFemme?
AmbientShade posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:41 PM
I think this has the potential of being amazing for Poser.
Kind of feels like Poser has finally come home.
Just hoping we get some of the many needed/wanted updates.
qaz posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 3:51 PM
FVerbaas posted at 3:50PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353716
randym77 posted at 10:38PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353714
Sounds great. Though everyone's so busy talking about Rosity buying Poser that La Femme 1.1 is kind of lost in the shuffle.
Yes our new overlords are just as good at communication to the cows as our old overlords were. Good to see at least something that is consistent ? Now where do I find this update for LaFemme?
Just look in your available downloads and when you downloaded La Femme. It is updated to 1.1
JohnDoe641 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:06 PM
It's funny, I mentioned on the SM forums a day ago that they weren't a very good fit for Poser development and they should hand it over to someone who was, I guess I got my wish!
I'm excited to know that Rendo is taking over, this place has been my Poser-verse home for as long as I can remember and it feels good that the one place I consistently always go back to is now in charge of my favorite 3d rendering software.
I do have concerns, but I'm sure they'll all be answered soon.
In the meantime I do have some questions:
-How will product updates be handled?
-How will current SM Poser owners product keys and registrations be handled?
-How will physical copies of future Poser iterations be handled?
-Will updates use a new system of distribution?
-When SM sold Poser, did the current development team go with them or does Rendo have to hire a new team?
-Will future versions of Poser include LaFemme as a base figure?
-With the new LF 1.1 update, what happens with my current scenes with LF? Does the 1.1 replace the original figure in all my scenes or would I have to gulp start over? D:
rokket posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:13 PM
I went to look at it, and it says purchased and I can't click on that. So how do I get the upgrade?
If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.
FVerbaas posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:14 PM Forum Coordinator
qaz posted at 11:04PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353720
Just look in your available downloads and when you downloaded La Femme. It is updated to 1.1
OK, after a desparate search I finally found out how this works.
Even found some updates of last year.
All this work to update and then hide it deeeeeep.
Yes, our new overlords surpass their predecessors our old ones when it comes to communication. There is progress!!.
rokket posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:16 PM
Never mind. I just went into my account and it's already there. I will be downloading for awhile!
If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.
Glitterati3D posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:20 PM
FVerbaas posted at 5:18PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353726
qaz posted at 11:04PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353720
Just look in your available downloads and when you downloaded La Femme. It is updated to 1.1
OK, after a desparate search I finally found out how this works.
Even found some updates of last year.
All this work to update and then hide it deeeeeep.
Yes, our new overlords surpass their predecessors our old ones when it comes to communication. There is progress!!.
No one is hiding anything. It's always been this way at Renderosity - updates are added to your library automatically. All you have to do is go back to your original purchase and the files will be there with a date for the latest update.
KarinaKiev posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:35 PM
Folks, please let's stop the usual bickering and nay-saying for the moment.
** You all know that this is the best that could have happened to Poser lest to become abandonware...**
So for a change let's give Rendo a chance to show that they can handle Poser better that SM ever did! (not that hard actually :D)
Enjoy the "Winds of Change" instead!!!
After all, it can't get any worse than it was hitherto.
Cheer up!
Karina
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:43 PM
KarinaKiev posted at 5:42PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353730
Folks, please let's stop the usual bickering and nay-saying.
For a change let's give Rendo a chance to show that they can handle Poser better that SM ever did (not that hard actually :D)
;-)
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:50 PM
JohnDoe641 posted at 5:49PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353722
-With the new LF 1.1 update, what happens with my current scenes with LF? Does the 1.1 replace the original figure in all my scenes or would I have to gulp start over? D:
I can only reply to this one. The old LaFemme is still included anyway. Reloading your scene shouldn't be affected. No need to start over. Existing clothing, morphs, and textures still work with LaFemme 1.1. Don't panic. 8-)
LaFemme 1.1 still uses the same base OBJ file. There are JCM improvements, some morphs added here and there, and two new high resolution clothing dev kits that will help a TON with conforming clothing development.
EClark1894 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 4:51 PM
I do have one major concern regarding the Poser deal with Renderosity. I wonder whether any other apps were included with the deal. Why you ask? Because one thing I've noticed is that Smith Micro was busy funding development on other apps like Moho, Rebelle and Motion Artist when several of the features in those programs made more sense (to me anyway) of being included in Poser. So yeah, I do feel a bit slighted when I see you paying more attention to those programs than Poser. I'm probably wrong, but I just feel like I'm not.
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 5:06 PM
rokket posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 5:09 PM
I am just hoping for a site update. I don't know about anyone else, but this site loads very slow for me, while everything else I look at on the internet is fairly fast. I am using Firefox, if that's any help.
If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.
qaz posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 5:10 PM
JohnDoe641 posted at 4:54PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353722
-With the new LF 1.1 update, what happens with my current scenes with LF? Does the 1.1 replace the original figure in all my scenes or would I have to gulp start over? D:
It's a new figure. I doubt there are enough changes to warranted replacing the figure, but if you do its quite straight forward. First select the original figure and click a pose dot. Load new figure and click same pose dot. The two figures should be right on top of each other. If not fine tune by translating the new body so it is. If your character is wearing clothes - perish the thought, select each item, right mouse click, and select conform to La Femme 1 (every time you load a La Femme it is going to increment by 1.) Delete original figure. Make sure that Delete attached figures is checked. This is when you discover you forgot about the hair, or underwear. Click undo a couple of times and the figure re appears. Do it properly this time. Re delete figure, and it should be sorted.
I do this all the time, so its no big deal.
JohnDoe641 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 5:11 PM
Deecey posted at 6:03PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353734
JohnDoe641 posted at 5:49PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353722
-With the new LF 1.1 update, what happens with my current scenes with LF? Does the 1.1 replace the original figure in all my scenes or would I have to gulp start over? D:
I can only reply to this one. The old LaFemme is still included anyway. Reloading your scene shouldn't be affected. No need to start over. Existing clothing, morphs, and textures still work with LaFemme 1.1. Don't panic. 8-)
LaFemme 1.1 still uses the same base OBJ file. There are JCM improvements, some morphs added here and there, and two new high resolution clothing dev kits that will help a TON with conforming clothing development.
I think I understand, but just to make sure I am ?
I use a heavily morphed version of LF that I've saved as a new figure instead of a single dial spin morph cause I can't figure out how to do that. It's using a combo of the MR morphs, BH's hd morphs, body scaling and 3Dreams excellent textures. I use it in any scene that I want LF in, so would the new update, update my morphed LF? IE if I load a scene that has my morphed LF, will it now contain the under arm morph? I dunno if I'm asking that right, but it took me a very long time to get the look that I wanted.
KarinaKiev posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 5:18 PM
@Eclark:
Though I partly understand your concern: But wouldn't it be a good idea just to keep waiting until more details get available, instead of shooting at anything in the dark?
I mean - it was only official today... So letś give them (whoever in charge now) a few more hours to adapt. Please!
K
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 5:18 PM
JohnDoe asked " I dunno if I'm asking that right, but it took me a very long time to get the look that I wanted."
Hmmm ... in that case I think maybe the quickest thing to do is just re-inject the La Femme 1R1 base body morphs and face morphs into your existing character. That should add the new morphs (some hand morphs, some teeth morphs, and the underarm morphs) to your existing character.
Save your scene first before you add the injections. Just in case. But that should give you what you're looking for. If not let me know and I will investigate further.
SamTherapy posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 5:23 PM
One request...
Please stop shouting at us. Poser - OFFICIAL is a bit shouty. 
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Penguinisto posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 6:03 PM
Well holy crap. This is interesting.
...and before anyone throws shade, shaddap and listen first: I actually think this is good news. Now maybe a company with an actual vested interested in the program's health and well-being can invest proper time, personnel, and effort into the thing. That is all.
Regd's,
Penguinisto posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 6:06 PM
PS: hurry the f*** up and get all the NearMe stuff back up and going in the store. I found the base mesh languishing in an ancient backed-up runtime directory while I was scrounging for old Mike 1/2 stuff, and it's cute as hell (I already hoovered the entire global IPv4 address space last week for every freebie I could scrounge.)
EClark1894 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 6:12 PM
KarinaKiev posted at 7:11PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353745
@Eclark:
Though I partly understand your concern: But wouldn't it be a good idea just to keep waiting until more details get available, instead of shooting at anything in the dark?
I mean - it was only official today... So letś give them (whoever in charge now) a few more hours to adapt. Please!
K
Well, unless I drop dead, which I wasn't planning to do, all I can do is wait.
Lotharen posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 6:41 PM
I can say I'm excited about this change. I just hope it leads in a direction everyone (or most everyone) can be happy with. Obviously SM wasn't doing a whole lot with it so this might just be what we need. I've honestly been using DS for some time now. I own Poser 11 Pro but really haven't rendered with it in a while since I wasn't sure if it was on life support or not. Don't wait to waste my time learning a program that may be circling the drain if you know what I mean.
WILL_I_AM posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 7:05 PM
I, for one, welcome our new Poser overlords and look forward to their benevolent rule.
EClark1894 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 7:29 PM
Lotharen posted at 8:28PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353777
I can say I'm excited about this change. I just hope it leads in a direction everyone (or most everyone) can be happy with. Obviously SM wasn't doing a whole lot with it so this might just be what we need. I've honestly been using DS for some time now. I own Poser 11 Pro but really haven't rendered with it in a while since I wasn't sure if it was on life support or not. Don't wait to waste my time learning a program that may be circling the drain if you know what I mean.
I think SM had gone about as far as they knew how or were willing to go with it.
rty posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 8:07 PM
Congratulations. I only hope Rendo finds enough loose change between the sofa cushions to keep Poser alive and evolving (as opposed to a dried-out mummy exhibit).
EClark1894 posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 9:57 PM
You know what's really interesting? Since they bought Poser, I've posted more today to Renderosity than I did all of last year.
movida posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 10:25 PM
Deecey posted at 10:23PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353692
movida posted at 3:04PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353689
I've also recently started playing around in Carrara and I'm impressed with it - next purchase Rendo lol
Metacreations also had Bryce, Carrara, Painter, Ray Dream Studio, Kai's Power Tools, tons of cool stuff. Spread out all over now.
I still have my Kai's Power Tools CD - somewhere :)
With all the new female's and it looks like 2 new males Poser is good to go for centuries
DCArt posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 11:04 PM
movida posted at 12:03AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353821
Deecey posted at 10:23PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353692
movida posted at 3:04PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353689
I've also recently started playing around in Carrara and I'm impressed with it - next purchase Rendo lol
Metacreations also had Bryce, Carrara, Painter, Ray Dream Studio, Kai's Power Tools, tons of cool stuff. Spread out all over now.
I still have my Kai's Power Tools CD - somewhere :)
Me too somewhere. I think I lost my original Poser floppy disk a long time ago though. Two floppies. One with the program, one with the content.
With all the new female's and it looks like 2 new males Poser is good to go for centuries
I see that as a great thing! Yuppers I do!
rokket posted Thu, 20 June 2019 at 11:33 PM
The news is spreading. I have been on a few other sites that have mentioned it. A lot of people who post or used to post here are on those sites. We may yet be seeing a lot of old faces (figurative term, this is the internet) back here again. I myself was a rare sight here for the longest time. Too much bickering and petty nonsense drove me away. But it looks like I will be back a lot more now...
If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.
Khai-J-Bach posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 12:06 AM
KarinaKiev posted at 6:05AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353745
@Eclark:
Though I partly understand your concern: But wouldn't it be a good idea just to keep waiting until more details get available, instead of shooting at anything in the dark?
I mean - it was only official today... So letś give them (whoever in charge now) a few more hours to adapt. Please!
K
Er. Its very civil in here, you're the only one that's saying otherwise.....
jartz posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 1:37 AM
This looks promising and I look forward to the future of Poser.
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FlagonsWorkshop posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 3:30 AM
EClark1894 posted at 2:20AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353735
I do have one major concern regarding the Poser deal with Renderosity. I wonder whether any other apps were included with the deal. Why you ask? Because one thing I've noticed is that Smith Micro was busy funding development on other apps like Moho, Rebelle and Motion Artist when several of the features in those programs made more sense (to me anyway) of being included in Poser. So yeah, I do feel a bit slighted when I see you paying more attention to those programs than Poser. I'm probably wrong, but I just feel like I'm not.
Smith Micro never owned Rebelle and never funded it. It merely has a distribution license. The software was created and maintained by Escape Motions. It never owned Clip Studio Paint either.
qaz posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 4:49 AM
This is so low key. Oh, and bye the way we bought Poser. No song and dance. No and this is the way we see the future.
Its more, we took this on because we didnt have any choice. They practically gave it to us so we thought what the heck. Renderosity doesn't look the slightest bit exited about this, and that doesn't bode well. Do they even have a team to support Poser.
Renderosity are content sellers, not program writers so the whole business model needs to be reappraised. They don't have any figures to match Daz characters, and they have no intention of stopping support of Genesis despite the fact that that supports a competitors product to the detriment of their own. Do they therefore make Poser free and essentially abandon it.
Just a simple statement of intention would be a good idea at the moment.
EClark1894 posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 5:14 AM
qaz posted at 6:09AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353846
This is so low key. Oh, and bye the way we bought Poser. No song and dance. No and this is the way we see the future.
Its more, we took this on because we didnt have any choice. They practically gave it to us so we thought what the heck. Renderosity doesn't look the slightest bit exited about this, and that doesn't bode well. Do they even have a team to support Poser.
Renderosity are content sellers, not program writers so the whole business model needs to be reappraised. They don't have any figures to match Daz characters, and they have no intention of stopping support of Genesis despite the fact that that supports a competitors product to the detriment of their own. Do they therefore make Poser free and essentially abandon it.
Just a simple statement of intention would be a good idea at the moment.
And Karina claimed I was being negative. DAZ was a content seller now they make Studio. DAZ learned to make good figures, so I'm willing to wait and see what the future brings.
qaz posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 5:26 AM
EClark1894 posted at 5:19AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353848
Just a simple statement of intention would be a good idea at the moment.
And Karina claimed I was being negative. DAZ was a content seller now they make Studio. DAZ learned to make good figures, so I'm willing to wait and see what the future brings. Daz was a content maker- and still is. Studio is only there to attract buyers of their content, and protect them against the owners of the platform going bust.
As i say, a simple statement of intent would be a good idea.
ader posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 6:04 AM
Agreed, we need to know what Renderosity's plans for Poser are. If they need to Crowd Fund future development then I will be there voting and supporting with my wallet!
Afrodite-Ohki posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 7:05 AM
qaz posted at 8:02AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353846
This is so low key. Oh, and bye the way we bought Poser. No song and dance. No and this is the way we see the future.
Its more, we took this on because we didnt have any choice. They practically gave it to us so we thought what the heck. Renderosity doesn't look the slightest bit exited about this, and that doesn't bode well. Do they even have a team to support Poser.
Renderosity are content sellers, not program writers so the whole business model needs to be reappraised. They don't have any figures to match Daz characters, and they have no intention of stopping support of Genesis despite the fact that that supports a competitors product to the detriment of their own. Do they therefore make Poser free and essentially abandon it.
Just a simple statement of intention would be a good idea at the moment.
There's a front page article, there's a newsletter, there's a pinned announcement in half of the forum categories, what more did you want, should they change their logo at the top to "WE OWN POSER YAY!"?
Honestly, they couldn't do more than this, specially seeing as the people who sell content for DS are already worried Renderosity would become focused only on Poser and they're having to confirm everywhere that it won't. If they were painting the walls for Poser, the DS vendors would be scared to hell.
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Afrodite-Ohki posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 7:06 AM
About their intentions for Poser, it's been two days. Please, do give them time to organize this - I'm sure they're drowning under questions and trying to move every Poser license into their servers now so that they can deal with people wanting to re-download things or upgrade etc.
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rty posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 7:24 AM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 2:15PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353856
Please, do give them time to organize this
I sure hope they did "organize" this (think this over) before they adopted Poser! Poser isn't a impulse buy, as it comes with strings attached. As it is right now, it will cost them a lot more money than they make out of it (which is why SM got rid of it), so either Rendo has too much money (I hope for them, but don't believe it), or they already had a solid plan to turn Poser from the half-dead corpse surviving on nostalgia into something that can seriously compete with (free) Daz Studio and make them money.
I sure don't want to see the usual "But it was so cute when we bought it" yet again. How many Poser owners have there been?...
movida posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 7:42 AM
rty posted at 7:42AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353857
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 2:15PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353856
Please, do give them time to organize this
I sure hope they did "organize" this (think this over) before they adopted Poser! Poser isn't a impulse buy, as it comes with strings attached. As it is right now, it will cost them a lot more money than they make out of it (which is why SM got rid of it), so either Rendo has too much money (I hope for them, but don't believe it), or they already had a solid plan to turn Poser from the half-dead corpse surviving on nostalgia into something that can seriously compete with (free) Daz Studio and make them money.
I sure don't want to see the usual "But it was so cute when we bought it" yet again. How many Poser owners have there been?...
Where is your information regarding profitability coming from?
Afrodite-Ohki posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 7:46 AM
I meant organizing what had to be left for after they announced it. You'll remember that the moment the announcement was made, SM locked their Poser forums, now there's questions everywhere about what happens to all the information there, if they'll bring it over - and then there's the people asking about their previous purchases, if they'll be carried over, etc.
It's likely they couldn't tell even the workers that this purchase was being made, otherwise the word could get out there and rumors would have been spread. So my guess is that they'll be looking for devs from now on, too.
And by now, Poser is a robust program. Sure, DS is free - but how many paid addons do you need to have it do what Poser can do from the box? I, for one, hate programs that rely so much on addons - you get people who buy your content and complain that they don't have the addon even when you stated in the product page that the addon is needed, etc. The thing is, people are scared to use Poser's features, otherwise we'd have far superior images made in Poser everywhere.
Given the right people working on it, the right documentation etc, I really think Poser can become famous again.
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tonyvilters posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 7:49 AM
Not knowing any details allow some wishful thinking.
Well, why not? One can dream and this might be the right moment.
Hire Larry back as lead programmer (he created/invented Poser) and hire Dee back as tech doc specialist. A great job she did with all her heart.
Best regards and all the best for Poser's future.
wolf359 posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 8:07 AM
as the people who sell content for DS are already worried Renderosity
would become focused only on Poser and they're having to confirm
everywhere that it won't. If they were painting the walls for Poser, the
DS vendors would be scared to hell.
To be honest Renderosity has Much more "relaxed" Standards for what is an acceptable DS product compared to the Daz store.
If Renderosity Did become a poser only store it would likely only be eliminating the Daz content creators who perhaps were not up to the Uber High standards of the "premuim"
Daz PA's and would thus lose their only outlet for selling.
Still as a self sustaining outlier still running DS 4.8, who models my own genesis1,2,3 clothing & morphs and uses Iclone pro pipeline for motionbuilding& retargeting and renders in Lightwave & C4D, It will be interesting to watch this all unfold the sidelines.
wheatpenny posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 8:20 AM Site Admin
Renderosity will NOT become a Poser-Only store. We will continue supporting Daz Studio and selling Daz content as before. As far as Daz Studio is concerned, nothing will change.
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EClark1894 posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 8:43 AM
Btw, expressing your concerns is not akin to being negative any more than telling someone to "wait and see" is being positive. I can 'wait and see" until I'm on my death bed, ten, twenty or thirty years down the line. It doesn't mean things will get better or worse. However, expressing your concerns does tell the new owners where you think Poser does deserve extra attention and care. I'm concerned about Superfly development. Will it become more like Cycles standard or will it still lack some of the oomph of the original Cycles, including a denoiser, Portals, and all the proper nodes? I'd like to be able to model and texture everything in Blender and then import it into Poser fully intact, textures, nodes and all.
I'd also like to say that I have no interest in Genesis working in Poser, unless in reciprocation Poser's figures will work in Studio. I think that's only fair. Oh, I hope somebody asks me why.
EClark1894 posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 8:51 AM
DCArt posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 10:30 AM
movida posted at 11:29AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353858
rty posted at 7:42AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353857
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 2:15PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353856
Please, do give them time to organize this
I sure hope they did "organize" this (think this over) before they adopted Poser! Poser isn't a impulse buy, as it comes with strings attached. As it is right now, it will cost them a lot more money than they make out of it (which is why SM got rid of it), so either Rendo has too much money (I hope for them, but don't believe it), or they already had a solid plan to turn Poser from the half-dead corpse surviving on nostalgia into something that can seriously compete with (free) Daz Studio and make them money.
I sure don't want to see the usual "But it was so cute when we bought it" yet again. How many Poser owners have there been?...
Where is your information regarding profitability coming from?
SM was not a good fit for Poser. Let's leave it at that.
randym77 posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 10:43 AM
I don't particularly want Genesis in Poser, either.
I think Poser and DS have become too different, and trying to make them compatible would hold back both programs.
I do hope Poser will continue to be compatible with Vue. Including my older version of Vue. Not ready to commit to the subscription model e-On is insisting on now.
Penguinisto posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 10:52 AM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 8:16AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353859
I meant organizing what had to be left for after they announced it. You'll remember that the moment the announcement was made, SM locked their Poser forums, now there's questions everywhere about what happens to all the information there, if they'll bring it over - and then there's the people asking about their previous purchases, if they'll be carried over, etc.
Having done more than a few acquisitions of software companies in my career, I can say this is likely what's going to happen:
Renderosity might do the same thing, but a lot of it will depend on the costs and effort of keeping it going in-situ vs. importing the data into Rendo's existing forum software vs. forklifting the whole wad to a box that Rendo owns. Since Rendo didn't buy SmithMicro, the first option is likely out. Unless Rendo changed their forum software to not be that uber-bespoke thing they were selling years ago, the second option would likely require a long and painful process that won't justify the expense.
The last option is most likely, though it requires Smith Micro lending the old subdomain name (viz. DNS), or at least put up a 302 redirect and a lot of monkeying around - oh, and an SSL cert, naturally, but in spite of that, it's the most doable option... if SM agrees to help make that work on their end, and/or if it's part of the purchase contract.
Can't see much else being a viable option for that bit of it, really.
It's likely they couldn't tell even the workers that this purchase was being made, otherwise the word could get out there and rumors would have been spread. So my guess is that they'll be looking for devs from now on, too.
I'm fairly sure they quietly informed the key devs of what was up, and that massive accommodation was made for a few of them to help incentivize them into staying.
Down at rank-and-file level, the devs would also be kept on, and given permission to work-from-home if they couldn't/wouldn't relocate. Odds are good that Rendo might have bought/leased a small office in the town where the devs were concentrated anyway.
Now the non-dev folks who worked for SM on Poser - the managers, support staff, and etc? Hate to say it, but if there are any, they just became (most likely) redundant. Rendo might keep on the PM, DevOps/sysadmin, Tech Writer(s), and other unique/key personnel, but unless you write code for the thing? If SM no longer needs you, odds are good that Rendo will probably not need you either (unless you can relocate, and even then maybe.)
And by now, Poser is a robust program. Sure, DS is free...
Let's just agree to disagree with your assessment and keep moving, 'k? ;)
The thing is, people are scared to use Poser's features, otherwise we'd have far superior images made in Poser everywhere.
This is true of any Prosumer application, regardless of cost. Some people can make an application truly sing, but most just barely make it gargle.
Given the right people working on it, the right documentation etc, I really think Poser can become famous again.
Documentation is a bugaboo for all apps these days, unless it's an app that has near-global attention (in which case documentation is comprehensive and omnipresent.) Writing a doc for something as complex as Poser is going to require a megaton of work. From personal experience: Even the joke-level-simple 2005-vintage DAZ Studio 1.0? Its user manual sucked down 300+ printed pages just to explain what it can do, and the basics of how to do each bit.
Nowadays, DS or Poser would require something on the order of 500-600 pages of documentation just to explain everything in it. This is now a full-time job for a tech writer (and not for a bored and at the time freshly-divorced codemonkey with nothing better to do on his weekday evenings.)
The biggest thing that can make Poser famous again would require a seismic shift in how people pursue their spare time. A lot of people love to do artwork, but not everyone has the time and/or skills to get past that cliff-steep learning curve that is CG, no matter how gently you try to introduce them to it. Fix that, and you have a high-volume money-printing machine.
Penguinisto posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 10:59 AM
wolf359 posted at 8:58AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353867
To be honest Renderosity has Much more "relaxed" Standards for what is an acceptable DS product compared to the Daz store.
If Renderosity Did become a poser only store it would likely only be eliminating the Daz content creators who perhaps were not up to the Uber High standards of the "premuim"
Daz PA's and would thus lose their only outlet for selling.
This, right here, though I would add that Renderosity would hurt themselves in lost volume as well. Pretty sure they're in no hurry to do that while still paying down the debt incurred from buying Poser off of SmithMicro.
It will be interesting to watch this all unfold the sidelines.
Yep. That it will.
FlagonsWorkshop posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:05 AM
First you perfect the "Make Art" button...
Penguinisto posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:07 AM
randym77 posted at 9:01AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353893
I think Poser and DS have become too different, and trying to make them compatible would hold back both programs.
In a way, you're right, though I was able to load ancient Michael 2 bits into DS with only the subdividing textures not making the jump (but SubDT was originally leveraging a bug in Poser 4 anyway.) Amazingly, the morphs from the SubDT made it, but not the texture. Weird to say the least.
Anyrate, yes, the two are evolving, and the gulf is getting wider. It would do Rendo good to have a chat with the folks in Draper about a potential import-from-duf-format tool, and vice-versa (or maybe just enhance-import FBX, since DS exports easily to that format?). Dunno what DAZ' leadership is like these days, but I'm pretty sure Dan Farr would have went for something like that.
I do hope Poser will continue to be compatible with Vue. Including my older version of Vue. Not ready to commit to the subscription model e-On is insisting on now.
I kind of agree here. Poser had traditionally lacked atmospherics and the big-scenery stuff that Vue used perfectly. On the other hand, things have probably changed, so maybe just import Vue objects into Poser and call it good?
Khai-J-Bach posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:11 AM
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 5:11PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353900
First you perfect the "Make Art" button...
Nvidia are doing that right now...
DCArt posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:11 AM
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 12:11PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353900
First you perfect the "Make Art" button...
Ah, the ever-elusive Make Art button. All time #1 requested feature. 8-)
Khai-J-Bach posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:13 AM
and btw
Wotcher Pengy, long time no speak!
Penguinisto posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:21 AM
Khai-J-Bach posted at 9:17AM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353904
Wotcher Pengy, long time no speak!
Gratzi. I'm just curious as to how all of this will shake out. I got bored with the Genesis/Realistic stuff, so I've been mucking about in and among toons/anime/suchlike - starting with the old crap I've had lurking around, stuff I bought thinking I'd use it someday (and lo, someday is here!), and suchlike. Not as tied to any one platform this way (though I think Poser 7 is as latest I got, though I'm in no hurry to shell out money to upgrade when I can use that same price to buy a new brush-guard for the truck, etc.) But... I like to keep an eye on the thing, considering the time and treasure I've blown on CG stuff anyway over the years...
FlagonsWorkshop posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:26 AM
I'm not sure how much leeway we have on the subject, but frankly the reason I quit Poser was the more I learned bout Smith Micro, the more obvious it was they didn't care about it. They may have had people working on Poser that did, but it was never anything but an afterthought to top Management, and Smith in particular. I just wasn't going to put time and money into a prospect like that. I think Bondware is going to be a whole lot more dedicated to both the Program and the Community surrounding it, and I really think if you give them the time to fully get the project running you are going to be pleased if you are a devoted Poser user. Since DAZ has always been into content, I don't think they are going to see a reinvigorated Poser as a competitor, more of an opportunity, and I think they will be happy to work on standard formats since that's where they are heading now anyway - they want their characters to work in as many programs as possible. That's how they make money. I think the stumbling block in all this was Smith Micro who never really cared about content, they were just selling you a tool, it was up to you to make it work.
I don't see anything but good things ahead for Poser, I breathed a sigh of relief that not only did Smith Micro sell a program they obviously didn't care about, but they actually sold it to the right people. We really didn't need another Truespace.
Khai-J-Bach posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:42 AM
I miss trueSpace.
since I lost my 4.3 install disk.. oh well.
and I'm hitting the limits of Sketchup. gotta bit the bullet and either learn Silo or Blender...
Afrodite-Ohki posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 12:21 PM
Penguinisto posted at 1:17PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353898
Nowadays, DS or Poser would require something on the order of 500-600 pages of documentation just to explain everything in it. This is now a full-time job for a tech writer (and not for a bored and at the time freshly-divorced codemonkey with nothing better to do on his weekday evenings.)
(I'm skipping everything before this in your post because none of them were my point when you were replying to me - but those are good bits of information on business anyway)
Poser has always been good in documentation - that's why baaaack when DS just started, I refused to touch it with a ten-foot pole and remained with Poser. DS just refused to let me know how it worked. Poser, however... you might notice the Poser Reference Manual for Poser Pro 11:
Yup, that's 1091 pages.
The biggest thing that can make Poser famous again would require a seismic shift in how people pursue their spare time. A lot of people love to do artwork, but not everyone has the time and/or skills to get past that cliff-steep learning curve that is CG, no matter how gently you try to introduce them to it. Fix that, and you have a high-volume money-printing machine.
I'm willing to bet Renderosity will want to invest in making Poser more user-friendly, considering what they were focusing when they updated La Femme - making the DEV tools much easier and faster to work with. (I know, I know, La Femme isn't made by Renderosity itself, but it's also signed by RPublishing.)
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movida posted at 11:34PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353858
Where is your information regarding profitability coming from?
I think from SMSI published business data. Google on SMSI Investor Relations.
Quote from the presentation of the report on Q1 of 2019:
Our graphic segment reported quarterly revenue of $260,000 compared to $647,000 last year.
That includes Poser, Moho and the rest.
rty posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 9:09 PM
FVerbaas posted at 3:40AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4353994
movida posted at 11:34PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353858
Where is your information regarding profitability coming from?
I think from SMSI published business data. Google on SMSI Investor Relations.
Quote from the presentation of the report on Q1 of 2019:
Our graphic segment reported quarterly revenue of $260,000 compared to $647,000 last year.
That includes Poser, Moho and the rest.
Thanks for posting that. My point was that some fraction of $260k doesn't pay for a team of skilled devs full time. This means Rendo will need to inject a serious amount of cash into making a credible and compelling new version of Poser, one which enough people might want to shell out money for.
The other alternative is to abandon development and just keep Poser frozen in its current state, which won't create any huge expenses, but won't make any money either (anybody who will ever want to buy it has already bought it). But in this case, why would Rendo buy Poser in the first place? Just for nostalgia's sake?
What I'm saying is that I think they intend to release a new version, but this will cost them a lot of money, and my point was I hope they have enough financing to really bring Poser commercially back to life: Meaning, attract new customers who might otherwise chose Daz Studio, but also push people using old Poser versions to upgrade: A lot of the remaining Poser users still use older versions, which means that commercially they are non-existing, they could as well have defected to Daz Studio (for the record, I have bought all versions of Poser up to 11 Pro). Poser is a commercial enterprise, and its success or doom depends solely on how many people are willing to spend money buying the latest version (unlike Daz Studio, which is just a tool for using the content Daz makes money off).
You (general "you") might not agree, but unfortunately that doesn't change market laws.
Personally I sure hope Rendo has a cunning plan, is swimming in dough, and will release "soon" a version of Poser to make every CG artist out there drool. Unfortunately I'm also too old to believe in miracles... :-(
Penguinisto posted Fri, 21 June 2019 at 11:50 PM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 9:42PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353928 Poser, however... you might notice the Poser Reference Manual for Poser Pro 11:
Yup, that's 1091 pages.
Is that from SM itself, or written third-party? I cannot recall offhand. Also, I hope that 1100 pages includes lots of step-by-step tutorials.
I'm hoping that's not the actual vendor-spllied user manual, but only for one big reason - 600 pages or so is a lot, but 1100 pages would be intimidating as hell for the newbie who just bought the thing. Maybe if they laid it out to make it quick and easy to get started in the first few pages, then have a comprehensive reference after that?
I'm willing to bet Renderosity will want to invest in making Poser more user-friendly, considering what they were focusing when they updated La Femme - making the DEV tools much easier and faster to work with. (I know, I know, La Femme isn't made by Renderosity itself, but it's also signed by RPublishing.)
Doesn't matter where the figure was made in this case, at least not if said figure was sold exclusively here. But, Rendo would do good to hire the folk(s) who put that mesh together, or at the very least license it and invest some FTEs into maintenance and evolution of it. I say this because Rendo comes with a pre-baked market of goodies, but it will want to do more for itself in having an original figure (they did this before if you remember that far back - but this time they will have the original Posette mesh licensing that came with Poser, so they won't have to worry about license issues over the feet and hands like what sunk the Renda figure last time.)
Penguinisto posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 12:08 AM
FVerbaas posted at 9:51PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353994
Quote from the presentation of the report on Q1 of 2019:
Our graphic segment reported quarterly revenue of $260,000 compared to $647,000 last year.
That includes Poser, Moho and the rest.
Oh, Lord. That... that is not good if anyone were to rely on Poser as a profit center. That figure barely pays the salary and benefits overhead for an experienced tech lead and three decent devs, and I'm really hoping the majority of that income is Poser-bourne.
@rty - I know why Rendo bought it: survival. Without Poser, Renderosity becomes Just Another Vendor for DAZ Products. It's a smart move on their part.
The good news is, that revenue is enough to pay for a small dev team, assuming nearly all of it was generated by Poser (which I assume it is.) It gives them some breathing room to keep going, and enough runway to improve Poser. The potential is still definitely there, and profit from the bits-and-parts sold in the Marketplace can help fund things.
Because of this, I believe Rendo can pull it off. Here's why:
DAZ uses store sales to fund DS all by itself, and they keep a staff of something like 4-5 devs for DS (though they make a buttload more traffic and income to pull it off.
However, Poser is, in my guesstimation, self-sufficient (although barely.) This gives Rendo a bit of an edge by not having to follow DAZ' model of giving away the app and selling the content for it, hoping that profits elsewhere can cover things. But, they can toss in some cash from their profit margin and use it to really do some surgery on Poser, evolving it even.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
randym77 posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 12:22 AM
Penguinisto posted at 12:17AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354044
Doesn't matter where the figure was made in this case, at least not if said figure was sold exclusively here. But, Rendo would do good to hire the folk(s) who put that mesh together, or at the very least license it and invest some FTEs into maintenance and evolution of it. I say this because Rendo comes with a pre-baked market of goodies, but it will want to do more for itself in having an original figure (they did this before if you remember that far back - but this time they will have the original Posette mesh licensing that came with Poser, so they won't have to worry about license issues over the feet and hands like what sunk the Renda figure last time.)
It was my understanding when La Femme was released that she was intended to be the new default Poser figure (with a male counterpart to come). That she and L'Homme would be included in future versions of Poser.
Which now makes me wonder if they already knew that Rosity would be buying Poser when La Femme was created.
DCArt posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 12:24 AM
Penguinisto posted at 1:18AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354044
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 9:42PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353928 Poser, however... you might notice the Poser Reference Manual for Poser Pro 11:
Yup, that's 1091 pages.
Is that from SM itself, or written third-party? I cannot recall offhand. Also, I hope that 1100 pages includes lots of step-by-step tutorials.
I'm hoping that's not the actual vendor-spllied user manual, but only for one big reason - 600 pages or so is a lot, but 1100 pages would be intimidating as hell for the newbie who just bought the thing. Maybe if they laid it out to make it quick and easy to get started in the first few pages, then have a comprehensive reference after that?
I'm willing to bet Renderosity will want to invest in making Poser more user-friendly, considering what they were focusing when they updated La Femme - making the DEV tools much easier and faster to work with. (I know, I know, La Femme isn't made by Renderosity itself, but it's also signed by RPublishing.)
Doesn't matter where the figure was made in this case, at least not if said figure was sold exclusively here. But, Rendo would do good to hire the folk(s) who put that mesh together, or at the very least license it and invest some FTEs into maintenance and evolution of it. I say this because Rendo comes with a pre-baked market of goodies, but it will want to do more for itself in having an original figure (they did this before if you remember that far back - but this time they will have the original Posette mesh licensing that came with Poser, so they won't have to worry about license issues over the feet and hands like what sunk the Renda figure last time.)
Yes from SM itself. The ref and tutorial manuals were merged together in Poser 8 If I recall, and since Poser 8 a lot of new stuff added. fitting room, weight mapping, Superfly materials and rendering, dependency editor, morph palette enhancements, Animation path palette, revamped library, more I am sure but that is off the top of my head.
DCArt posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 12:32 AM
randym77 posted at 1:31AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354047
Penguinisto posted at 12:17AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354044
Doesn't matter where the figure was made in this case, at least not if said figure was sold exclusively here. But, Rendo would do good to hire the folk(s) who put that mesh together, or at the very least license it and invest some FTEs into maintenance and evolution of it. I say this because Rendo comes with a pre-baked market of goodies, but it will want to do more for itself in having an original figure (they did this before if you remember that far back - but this time they will have the original Posette mesh licensing that came with Poser, so they won't have to worry about license issues over the feet and hands like what sunk the Renda figure last time.)
It was my understanding when La Femme was released that she was intended to be the new default Poser figure (with a male counterpart to come). That she and L'Homme would be included in future versions of Poser.
Which now makes me wonder if they already knew that Rosity would be buying Poser when La Femme was created.
If you mean the LaFemme team, no.
Torquinox posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 1:26 AM
Khai-J-Bach posted at 1:25AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4353918
I miss trueSpace.
since I lost my 4.3 install disk.. oh well.
and I'm hitting the limits of Sketchup. gotta bit the bullet and either learn Silo or Blender...
http://truespace3d.free.fr/
Khai-J-Bach posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 4:52 AM
Ah.. Yes. Thanks, but that's the frankly terrible 7.6... I know Ms get a lot of blame for killing truespace, but to be honest 7.6 was the real reason. It is horrible to use.
randym77 posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 7:39 AM
Deecey posted at 7:34AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354050
randym77 posted at 1:31AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354047
Penguinisto posted at 12:17AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354044
Doesn't matter where the figure was made in this case, at least not if said figure was sold exclusively here. But, Rendo would do good to hire the folk(s) who put that mesh together, or at the very least license it and invest some FTEs into maintenance and evolution of it. I say this because Rendo comes with a pre-baked market of goodies, but it will want to do more for itself in having an original figure (they did this before if you remember that far back - but this time they will have the original Posette mesh licensing that came with Poser, so they won't have to worry about license issues over the feet and hands like what sunk the Renda figure last time.)
It was my understanding when La Femme was released that she was intended to be the new default Poser figure (with a male counterpart to come). That she and L'Homme would be included in future versions of Poser.
Which now makes me wonder if they already knew that Rosity would be buying Poser when La Femme was created.
If you mean the LaFemme team, no.
Thanks for the info! I was thinking higher up on the foodchain, though. They were clearly working together on La Femme, with SM sending out emails promoting her and featuring her on their web site.
DCArt posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 8:00 AM
rty posted at 8:54AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354029
The other alternative is to abandon development and just keep Poser frozen in its current state, which won't create any huge expenses, but won't make any money either (anybody who will ever want to buy it has already bought it). But in this case, why would Rendo buy Poser in the first place? Just for nostalgia's sake?
This scenario doesn't make sense, really. Rendo has more or less been supporting Poser since the late 90s. Since SM let the old Poser team go in late 2016, the progress on Poser and Moho has slowed down to a crawl (that explains the low revenue numbers). This is a "let's save it" situation, not a "let's bury it" situation. And I wish them nothing but good luck and success with it!
Afrodite-Ohki posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 8:10 AM
Penguinisto posted at 9:06AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354044
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 9:42PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353928 Poser, however... you might notice the Poser Reference Manual for Poser Pro 11:
Yup, that's 1091 pages.
Is that from SM itself, or written third-party? I cannot recall offhand. Also, I hope that 1100 pages includes lots of step-by-step tutorials.
I'm hoping that's not the actual vendor-spllied user manual, but only for one big reason - 600 pages or so is a lot, but 1100 pages would be intimidating as hell for the newbie who just bought the thing. Maybe if they laid it out to make it quick and easy to get started in the first few pages, then have a comprehensive reference after that?
It's a Reference Manual. You're not supposed to read through the entire thing - you're supposed to be on the program, think "hey, how do I use the Cloth Room?" then look for the Cloth Room in the Reference Manual. And yes, it works well as a tutorial for that. Which is exactly the type of manual I like having. Give me detailed information on everything, and let me check that information on just the bits I need when I need them. My ADHD doesn't let me read long stuff I don't need immediately, and the lack of memory that comes with it makes it useless for me to read everything about a program instead of just the things I'll put in practice right now.
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
EClark1894 posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 9:40 AM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 10:36AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354107
Penguinisto posted at 9:06AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354044
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 9:42PM Fri, 21 June 2019 - #4353928 Poser, however... you might notice the Poser Reference Manual for Poser Pro 11:
Yup, that's 1091 pages.
Is that from SM itself, or written third-party? I cannot recall offhand. Also, I hope that 1100 pages includes lots of step-by-step tutorials.
I'm hoping that's not the actual vendor-spllied user manual, but only for one big reason - 600 pages or so is a lot, but 1100 pages would be intimidating as hell for the newbie who just bought the thing. Maybe if they laid it out to make it quick and easy to get started in the first few pages, then have a comprehensive reference after that?
It's a Reference Manual. You're not supposed to read through the entire thing - you're supposed to be on the program, think "hey, how do I use the Cloth Room?" then look for the Cloth Room in the Reference Manual. And yes, it works well as a tutorial for that. Which is exactly the type of manual I like having. Give me detailed information on everything, and let me check that information on just the bits I need when I need them. My ADHD doesn't let me read long stuff I don't need immediately, and the lack of memory that comes with it makes it useless for me to read everything about a program instead of just the things I'll put in practice right now.
Actually, yeah, you should read through it. Doesn't mean you can't refer back to it from time to time to verify facts, just as you would any book.
tonyvilters posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 9:56 AM
To all :
Yes, there is a thick and complete Poser manual, and yes it is good.
But if you are in a room and need help fast? There is another option.
Goto to the room (the cloth room was mentioned) but the same goes for all rooms.
From inside the room => Go to the top bar and click : "Window" => Then click "Room help".
And you get all help for that specific room in a room specific window.
Best regards and have fun using the Poser tools.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 10:08 AM
EClark1894 posted at 11:08AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354140
Actually, yeah, you should read through it. Doesn't mean you can't refer back to it from time to time to verify facts, just as you would any book.
Not gonna happen in this life for me 
but it's good that it's there for those who want that.
- - - - - -
Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 10:10 AM
tonyvilters posted at 11:09AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354145
To all :
Yes, there is a thick and complete Poser manual, and yes it is good.
But if you are in a room and need help fast? There is another option.
Goto to the room (the cloth room was mentioned) but the same goes for all rooms.
From inside the room => Go to the top bar and click : "Window" => Then click "Room help".
And you get all help for that specific room in a room specific window.
Best regards and have fun using the Poser tools.
Yep there's this too!
Bottom line is - back when DS was a new thing, the reason I never tried it for more than a couple of days was that it wasn't helping me know what to do with it at all. I don't know how things are these days, but by now Poser has already gotten me loyal.
- - - - - -
Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Miss B posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 11:49 AM
tonyvilters posted at 12:46PM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354145
From inside the room => Go to the top bar and click : "Window" => Then click "Room help".
OMG, I never knew that option was there. I certainly could've used that when I first started working in the Cloth Room a couple of years ago. Luckily the vendor I was beta testing for had included a nice tutorial. Even so, this is good news for those who are, or will shortly become, new to Poser.
Hmmmm, I wonder . . . maybe now I'll be able to get through the Hair Room with some actual results. Hmmmm . . . .
_______________
OK . . . Where's my chocolate?
EClark1894 posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 12:06 PM
I hope Renderosity brings back the Poser Tutorial. I remember learning about how to make a Cloth Room dress look as if the woman tucked the dress underneath her before sitting down. And it was so simple, I never would have thought of it if I hadn't seen that tutorial.
Penguinisto posted Sat, 22 June 2019 at 12:34 PM
Deecey posted at 10:33AM Sat, 22 June 2019 - #4354102
This is a "let's save it" situation, not a "let's bury it" situation. And I wish them nothing but good luck and success with it!
Agreed, and Agreed.
ribroast posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 1:22 AM
EClark1894 posted at 1:18AM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4353874
I am mostly interested in Superfly development myself. When I try to reproduce a Blender shader in Poser the nodes I need are usually not there. I also could care less about Genesis figures. I've spent my last penny at DAZ years ago (literally all the money I had). New Poser figures are definitely welcome of course. I don't do super close up renders anyways so Project Evolution, LaFemme, Hivewire figures satisfy my needs. By the way, why would you say that? (I want to hear what you say)
It will be interesting to see what happens to say the least. If and when a new Poser comes out, I'll buy it I'm sure. As far as Smith Micro's sales being way down, it's no wonder. You can't just sell the the same version of your flagship program forever, every prospective buyer would have bought it by now. I think the bulk of those sales went to Moho, it's actually quite popular for making cartoons. They dropped the ball on Poser's development and the new version was far from being complete. They canned the development team and the replacements could not handle the job. Plus the fact that they never handled their content marketplace very well, not much income there to bolster software development. I've seen it happen in my own life. Years ago a manufacturing company I worked for laid off 20 employees, myself included, and replaced us with younger and cheaper employees. They lasted 3 years and went out of business. I hope Renderosity gets some experienced programmers to work on Poser, first and foremost. The original team may not be available now, but that would be a blessing. The next Poser has to be more than a new splash screen. I would be happy with improvements to existing things, like a expanded Superfly engine and a better cloth room, but a lot of people would want more I'm sure.
ribroast posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 1:51 AM
More thoughts: The Poser figures have always been lacking, Pauline and Paul where better but hard to work with (from a development point of view). What I really want is something like the old creature creator for the V4/M4 figures. It was a complete system of morphs, props and materials for making unique fantasy and sci-fi figures. So much fun to work with. There really insn't anything like that for the Hivewire figures or any other that are compatible with Poser at the moment. There are some character packages available, but I want the complete package. I think it would be neat if the next Poser had a system like that in place for the next Poser figures. In fact I think a system like Make Human would be a gas for the next Poser figures. A quality base mesh, fully rigged, but you could dial your figure in on the spot when you load it (expandable$$ of course). Get rid of the face room in favor of a Make Human style room. (It's open source, hint)
EClark1894 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 8:53 AM
ribroast posted at 8:55AM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354260
More thoughts: The Poser figures have always been lacking.
How? In what way? Could you elaborate please? I see this as a throw away criticism because most people don't seem to believe the base characters look attractive. But they're base characters, they're not supposed to. Look at Anastasia. I've heard nothing but praise about her, but she was made from Alison which I'll concede was quite far from attractive in her base shape.
ribroast posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 11:48 AM
The Poser figures are always lacking support from the content creators because they are a pain to work with, not because they are ugly. Pauline and Paul are not ugly, but they are not supported. Those G2 figures did not even have a symmetrical mesh I don't think (they are kinda ugly as well). I have Anastasia in my runtime and she is not ugly either, she's pretty much naked though, most of the time. If there was a good amount of Sci-Fi clothes for any of these figures available, I'd use the figures. I'm not advocating for Genesis support though. Poser needs its own figures to survive. New people are not going to invest in the program if they need to go out and get 3rd party figures from the get go. I think Poser has been lacking in it's base figures for years, they get no support, they just take up space on your hard drive.
JohnDoe641 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 12:23 PM
ribroast posted at 1:18PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354334
The Poser figures are always lacking support from the content creators because they are a pain to work with, not because they are ugly. Pauline and Paul are not ugly, but they are not supported. Those G2 figures did not even have a symmetrical mesh I don't think (they are kinda ugly as well). I have Anastasia in my runtime and she is not ugly either, she's pretty much naked though, most of the time. If there was a good amount of Sci-Fi clothes for any of these figures available, I'd use the figures. I'm not advocating for Genesis support though. Poser needs its own figures to survive. New people are not going to invest in the program if they need to go out and get 3rd party figures from the get go. I think Poser has been lacking in it's base figures for years, they get no support, they just take up space on your hard drive.
It's changing though. Before SM officially announced the selloff, they advertised LF as the new premiere poser figure. So it seems like we now have our new Poser female, she's just being sold on the market first before she's packaged with the program. LF was also just updated to make it even easier to produce stuff for.
LF has support of vendors (the most I've seen since the G2 figures) and has a constantly growing list of items for her. It's wonderful to see a poser figure get so much support and such variety of items to choose from, her popularity is good news for Poser.
ribroast posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 1:50 PM
**JohnDoe641 posted at 1:37PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354338
ribroast posted at 1:18PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354334
The Poser figures are always lacking support from the content creators because they are a pain to work with, not because they are ugly. Pauline and Paul are not ugly, but they are not supported. Those G2 figures did not even have a symmetrical mesh I don't think (they are kinda ugly as well). I have Anastasia in my runtime and she is not ugly either, she's pretty much naked though, most of the time. If there was a good amount of Sci-Fi clothes for any of these figures available, I'd use the figures. I'm not advocating for Genesis support though. Poser needs its own figures to survive. New people are not going to invest in the program if they need to go out and get 3rd party figures from the get go. I think Poser has been lacking in it's base figures for years, they get no support, they just take up space on your hard drive.
It's changing though. Before SM officially announced the selloff, they advertised LF as the new premiere poser figure. So it seems like we now have our new Poser female, she's just being sold on the market first before she's packaged with the program. LF was also just updated to make it even easier to produce stuff for.
LF has support of vendors (the most I've seen since the G2 figures) and has a constantly growing list of items for her. It's wonderful to see a poser figure get so much support and such variety of items to choose from, her popularity is good news for Poser.**
I agree. I bought in to LaFemme right away. If LF is indeed to be the official Poser figure I'm fine with that, as long as the developers are compensated accordingly. Been needing a male figure for quite some time as well. I'm not knocking Dusk or saying he's ugly. There is not enough products (Sci-Fi/Fantasy stuff). There was never enough stuff for M4 even. V4 products 100 to 1 compared to M4 products. I like my woman figures but for fictitious renders you need some men in there as well. I hear there will be a couple new Poser compatible males coming out soon. I will pick them up, but if there is not stuff to use with them they will just be hanging out on my hard drive for eternity.
quietrob posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 2:18 PM
-Timberwolf- posted at 12:17PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4353590
Khai-J-Bach posted at 4:20PM Thu, 20 June 2019 - #4353587
psst they can be female as well.. of LBGTQ+.... it's not restricted in any way at all....
Sorry, german grammar issue. In german language, "Troll" comes with a male article. (Der Troll)
So Daz Troll is incorrect? My mistake. I mean Das Troll.
quietrob posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 2:22 PM
JohnDoe641 posted at 12:20PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354338
ribroast posted at 1:18PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354334
The Poser figures are always lacking support from the content creators because they are a pain to work with, not because they are ugly. Pauline and Paul are not ugly, but they are not supported. Those G2 figures did not even have a symmetrical mesh I don't think (they are kinda ugly as well). I have Anastasia in my runtime and she is not ugly either, she's pretty much naked though, most of the time. If there was a good amount of Sci-Fi clothes for any of these figures available, I'd use the figures. I'm not advocating for Genesis support though. Poser needs its own figures to survive. New people are not going to invest in the program if they need to go out and get 3rd party figures from the get go. I think Poser has been lacking in it's base figures for years, they get no support, they just take up space on your hard drive.
It's changing though. Before SM officially announced the selloff, they advertised LF as the new premiere poser figure. So it seems like we now have our new Poser female, she's just being sold on the market first before she's packaged with the program. LF was also just updated to make it even easier to produce stuff for.
LF has support of vendors (the most I've seen since the G2 figures) and has a constantly growing list of items for her. It's wonderful to see a poser figure get so much support and such variety of items to choose from, her popularity is good news for Poser.
I have to agree. For the first time, I saw a La Femme morph that didn't look like La Femme. I got her right away to help support Poser but now...She has become interesting. Question : Is Rendo going to work with Evil Innocence to get a crossdresser license for La Femme?
EClark1894 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 2:30 PM
ribroast posted at 3:22PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354334
The Poser figures are always lacking support from the content creators because they are a pain to work with, not because they are ugly. Pauline and Paul are not ugly, but they are not supported. Those G2 figures did not even have a symmetrical mesh I don't think (they are kinda ugly as well). I have Anastasia in my runtime and she is not ugly either, she's pretty much naked though, most of the time. If there was a good amount of Sci-Fi clothes for any of these figures available, I'd use the figures. I'm not advocating for Genesis support though. Poser needs its own figures to survive. New people are not going to invest in the program if they need to go out and get 3rd party figures from the get go. I think Poser has been lacking in it's base figures for years, they get no support, they just take up space on your hard drive.
Actually, I agree. But then Poser has never supported figures released with the program. No really. They might release some clothes or outfits, but they've pretty much always left support to third parties. Thus, DAZ, Renderosity, Poser Pros, RDNA, Poser World, Phil C and a host of other stores that have since disappeared filled that void.
randym77 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 2:45 PM
ribroast posted at 2:33PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354352
I agree. I bought in to LaFemme right away. If LF is indeed to be the official Poser figure I'm fine with that, as long as the developers are compensated accordingly. Been needing a male figure for quite some time as well. I'm not knocking Dusk or saying he's ugly. There is not enough products (Sci-Fi/Fantasy stuff). There was never enough stuff for M4 even. V4 products 100 to 1 compared to M4 products. I like my woman figures but for fictitious renders you need some men in there as well. I hear there will be a couple new Poser compatible males coming out soon. I will pick them up, but if there is not stuff to use with them they will just be hanging out on my hard drive for eternity.
With the fitting room, it is possible to convert clothing from one figure to another. My La Femme is currently wearing Dawn's and V4's clothes.
But like you, I want to see more male stuff.
And definitely more SF/Fantasy clothing, or clothing that could be textured to be, for males and females. There really has been very little of that for La Femme, and I'm surprised, because that used to be what you'd get a ton of for a new figure. Brass bikinis for those naked in a temple with a sword renders, clothing suitable for elves and hobbits and space opera heroines. There's very little of that for La Femme. There's a lot of contemporary street clothes, and what I'd consider club wear - things which used be relatively rare back in the old days. I wonder if what's popular has changed since the V4 days?
Penguinisto posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 2:55 PM
EClark1894 posted at 12:45PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354364
Actually, I agree. But then Poser has never supported figures released with the program. No really. They might release some clothes or outfits, but they've pretty much always left support to third parties. Thus, DAZ, Renderosity, Poser Pros, RDNA, Poser World, Phil C and a host of other stores that have since disappeared filled that void.
This does lead me to a question of whether or not 3rd-party vendor sites will continue to merely survive, whether they will thrive, or...?
This merger, while needed for Poser's continued survival, does do one thing: It creates two camps: DAZ/DS, then Rendo/Poser, with each selling stuff that works in the other's ecosystem.
But, where does this leave places like Qraffx, Darkseal, 3DUniverse, etc?
Also, a question for Rendo at large: Will there be a blockage of links to competing websites (or is that still in place), or ...? TBH, I would much prefer a more vibrant (and not-so-under-the-radar) ecosystem of independent stores, but I can see that getting squashed as hard as legally allowed...
(I just hope nobody demands exclusivity as a condition of sales.)
Penguinisto posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 2:59 PM
randym77 posted at 12:56PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354367
And definitely more SF/Fantasy clothing, or clothing that could be textured to be, for males and females. There really has been very little of that for La Femme, and I'm surprised, because that used to be what you'd get a ton of for a new figure. Brass bikinis for those naked in a temple with a sword renders, clothing suitable for elves and hobbits and space opera heroines. There's very little of that for La Femme. There's a lot of contemporary street clothes, and what I'd consider club wear - things which used be relatively rare back in the old days. I wonder if what's popular has changed since the V4 days?
I suspect that's exactly what happened. BAck in the day, everybody was a budding Boris Vallejo, and likely had D&D dice stashed in a baggie somewhere in a closet.
It's been what, 15+ years since the Lord of The Rings trilogy came out? Tastes change, methinks.
tonyvilters posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 3:01 PM
I have very, (read that as extremely) few friends here in 3D land because I have always been pushing and pushing the technical quality of figures and content.
Yes, yes.
Some new figures come around from time to time, but there is always something below average, and almost all latest figures required a manual to operate, a HUGE NO-GO for the general home alone end user market.
When I test, I test. I don't give bananas on how a figure renders. That's the creators and their beta testers Job. Of course the promo pictures always look f a n t a s t i c .
I look inside, see how it is build, textured, rigged, but guys like me become rare, very rare, and yes, you can also read that as "extremely" rare..
**And then everybody wonders how on planet earth is it possible that content creators run into issues? ? ? ? **
Reason? => No body looked "inside" before I did.
Beta testers don't know what is required in a figure any more. Most figure creators give their figures to vendors to build clothing before and at release, and ask them to "beta-test" for them.
Completely out of whack. As long as it renders OK, it is OK.-, and they can make some money.
Well, wake up call. => If a figure is NOT TECHNICALLY sound, it will NEVER become a MAIN figure.
=> => => Learn how to inside a figure and be extremely critical, you are the last and only safety net before release, and you could have made a lot of money. <= <= <=
But, feel free to shoot and live happy ever after.
randym77 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 3:27 PM
Penguinisto posted at 3:19PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354370
randym77 posted at 12:56PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354367
And definitely more SF/Fantasy clothing, or clothing that could be textured to be, for males and females. There really has been very little of that for La Femme, and I'm surprised, because that used to be what you'd get a ton of for a new figure. Brass bikinis for those naked in a temple with a sword renders, clothing suitable for elves and hobbits and space opera heroines. There's very little of that for La Femme. There's a lot of contemporary street clothes, and what I'd consider club wear - things which used be relatively rare back in the old days. I wonder if what's popular has changed since the V4 days?
I suspect that's exactly what happened. BAck in the day, everybody was a budding Boris Vallejo, and likely had D&D dice stashed in a baggie somewhere in a closet.
It's been what, 15+ years since the Lord of The Rings trilogy came out? Tastes change, methinks.
Maybe, but you'd never know it looking at the top sellers over at DAZ. It's the same stuff that was popular there when V3 was their new figure.
Perhaps everyone who wants that stuff has moved to DS. Poser did always have a "mainstream" customer base that I suspect DS doesn't. The ones who want business clothes and morphs to make boobs smaller, not bigger. I recently saw the G2 figures in yet another corporate training video. They seem pretty popular for that kind of thing, because of their ethnic diversity. (Yes, it's possible to make Vicky, Dawn, etc. into nonwhite characters, but they don't seem to bother to make a lot of changes for these things. Nine times out of ten, they don't even bother to change the color of, say, Posette's t-shirt.)
Afrodite-Ohki posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 6:06 PM
Speaking for myself as a vendor: I'm still very very much into fantasy, and will likely forever be (and yes I still have my collection of D&D dice handy).
What's happening for me right now is: the only fantasy clothing set I had made before, for V4, I deemed too much "revealing" for my current tastes, and with too many technical issues because it was made when I had less skill in 3d, so unlike some of the other stuff I had made before, I didn't want to port it into LF. Others are things I had started making, then set aside, and at this point as I no longer have the same resources (the plugins for Cinema4d that I've even forgotten which were, the brushes for Zbrush etc), I'd rather start over.
With my new-from-scratch products, starting with the casual top I've just released, my intention is to go from quick-to-make-and-basic for "essentials" for La Femme, to complex and that will demand my time but will go out with more of a bang - and those will by my fantasy things.
My current plan is to adapt the clothing in this old drawing of mine for her:
I plan to make one texture tribal like that, one elfy-like with runes and swirls, and one sci-fi-like with lights and computer-connection-ish stuff (oh look how knowledgeable of names of things I am!)
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
DCArt posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 6:27 PM
randym77 posted at 7:24PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354367
And definitely more SF/Fantasy clothing, or clothing that could be textured to be, for males and females. There really has been very little of that for La Femme, and I'm surprised, because that used to be what you'd get a ton of for a new figure. Brass bikinis for those naked in a temple with a sword renders, clothing suitable for elves and hobbits and space opera heroines. There's very little of that for La Femme. There's a lot of contemporary street clothes, and what I'd consider club wear - things which used be relatively rare back in the old days. I wonder if what's popular has changed since the V4 days?
Something like this, you mean? (this for G3/G8 but I've been working on converting some stuff.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 6:33 PM
Deecey posted at 7:33PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354391
randym77 posted at 7:24PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354367
And definitely more SF/Fantasy clothing, or clothing that could be textured to be, for males and females. There really has been very little of that for La Femme, and I'm surprised, because that used to be what you'd get a ton of for a new figure. Brass bikinis for those naked in a temple with a sword renders, clothing suitable for elves and hobbits and space opera heroines. There's very little of that for La Femme. There's a lot of contemporary street clothes, and what I'd consider club wear - things which used be relatively rare back in the old days. I wonder if what's popular has changed since the V4 days?
Something like this, you mean? (this for G3/G8 but I've been working on converting some stuff.
Ohhh I like it!
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
randym77 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 6:34 PM
Very cute outfit. I like the layered look - the skirt over the panties.
Though I'd really like stuff that's more versatile, and less revealing (or with the option to be). Something like this catsuit for Maisie. You could make it into all kinds of things with transmaps.
A lot of the stuff for La Femme is dynamic. Which is fine; I like and use dynamic clothes. But using transmaps to change the look of clothing doesn't work that well with dynamic. The simulation runs on the whole garment, including the part that's supposed to be gone, and often ends up looking weird. In that respect, conforming clothing is more versatile.
Nails60 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 6:48 PM Online Now!
Deecey posted at 12:36AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354391
randym77 posted at 7:24PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354367
And definitely more SF/Fantasy clothing, or clothing that could be textured to be, for males and females. There really has been very little of that for La Femme, and I'm surprised, because that used to be what you'd get a ton of for a new figure. Brass bikinis for those naked in a temple with a sword renders, clothing suitable for elves and hobbits and space opera heroines. There's very little of that for La Femme. There's a lot of contemporary street clothes, and what I'd consider club wear - things which used be relatively rare back in the old days. I wonder if what's popular has changed since the V4 days?
Something like this, you mean? (this for G3/G8 but I've been working on converting some stuff.
I've been watching the Rpublishing/Rhianon stuff turning up for LaFemme and this is one of the outfits I'm hoping will appear. I bought the NyX destiny outfit yesterday and that's an outfit that would fit quite happily into a wide range of fantasy/sci-fi/gothic genre's and even contemporary (depending on what sort of company you keep.) Another point with LaFemme is that it's easy to convert some clothing for her. I converted the v4 bodysuit in less than 5 minutes in the fitting room and I'm no expert in doing that. And as soon as the LaFemme update was out I used the dress rig to convert the v4mfd, not a perfect conversion but good enough for me. However, I'd rather support the poser vendors, so yes, I really want more fantasy sci-fi items to spend my money on!
DCArt posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 6:51 PM
Nails60 posted at 7:50PM Sun, 23 June 2019 - #4354395
I've been watching the Rpublishing/Rhianon stuff turning up for LaFemme and this is one of the outfits I'm hoping will appear.
I have several on my plate, I just need about ten me's LOL
randym77 posted Sun, 23 June 2019 at 7:14 PM
You know who did a great job of providing basics for his figures? 3D universe, for Toon Generations. Admittedly, he had it easy, since his toon figures could all wear the same clothes. But you could make just about any outfit you wanted out of the basics he provided, just with texturing. Here's a Toon Generations "Star Trek: Voyager" scene:
I'd like to see a similar set of basics for La Femme and her boyfriend included in Poser. Just judging from what I see of Poser "in the wild," there's a segment of the customer base that doesn't buy extras for the figures; they want to be able to use the figures as-is. A set of basics would also be useful for those of us who do buy stuff. Having a certain critical mass of users who own an item means there's more likely to be textures for it (for sale or for free).
Afrodite-Ohki posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 7:57 AM
I'll try working on a body suit for La Femme, apparently there's demand. Maybe a full body dress after that...
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
randym77 posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 8:42 AM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 8:42AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354427
I'll try working on a body suit for La Femme, apparently there's demand. Maybe a full body dress after that...
I would love that!
Ideally with a ton of material zones, so you could easily make it into anything from a bikini to a leotard to tights. ? ?
Afrodite-Ohki posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 9:22 AM
randym77 posted at 10:22AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354437
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 8:42AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354427
I'll try working on a body suit for La Femme, apparently there's demand. Maybe a full body dress after that...
I would love that!
Ideally with a ton of material zones, so you could easily make it into anything from a bikini to a leotard to tights. ? ?
That's the idea! I'm on it
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
RobZhena posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 10:04 AM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 11:03AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354427
I'll try working on a body suit for La Femme, apparently there's demand. Maybe a full body dress after that...
You’re fantastic! Keep it coming!
DreaminGirl posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 11:03 AM
Anyone up for some crowdfunding to clone Deecey? I want ALL the Rhiannon clothing for LF! Her Nyx series have been this close to make me switch to genesis!
Afrodite-Ohki posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 11:26 AM
RobZhena posted at 12:21PM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354459
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 11:03AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354427
I'll try working on a body suit for La Femme, apparently there's demand. Maybe a full body dress after that...
You’re fantastic! Keep it coming!
Aw ❤️
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
DCArt posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 11:49 AM
DreaminGirl posted at 12:47PM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354479
Anyone up for some crowdfunding to clone Deecey?
LMAO Yeah I need ten of me. (sung with Hall and Oats tune in mind) "Because your Nyx is on my list!"
randym77 posted Mon, 24 June 2019 at 4:39 PM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 4:38PM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354444
randym77 posted at 10:22AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354437
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 8:42AM Mon, 24 June 2019 - #4354427
I'll try working on a body suit for La Femme, apparently there's demand. Maybe a full body dress after that...
I would love that!
Ideally with a ton of material zones, so you could easily make it into anything from a bikini to a leotard to tights. ? ?
That's the idea! I'm on it
Woo-hoo! That's great news. ?
unrealblue posted Mon, 01 July 2019 at 12:40 AM
FlagonsWorkshop posted at 3:32PM Mon, 01 July 2019 - #4353900
First you perfect the "Make Art" button...
I did that. Every time I press it, it brings up something that looks weirdly like a cross between something Picasso might have done with an 8 bit computer after a night on the town, a 90's vintage watercolour filter in Photoshop™, and too much lens-flare (even for J.J.Abrams). If I press "Make Movie" it just adds audio that sounds like porno music (not that I know what that sounds like). I don't know much about art but I'm pretty sure that's messed up o.O
It's a pre-alpha build of PP12, so maybe some bugs still to be worked out...?
