SSfromM12 opened this issue on Sep 30, 2019 ยท 67 posts
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 8:54 AM
My UI is totally stuffed. The pallette windows cannot be resized. The preview window is only usable when floating. I can't get to my lower dials. Have deleted prefs, have uninstalled and re-installed still the same. What did I do to deserve this sort of treatment? My preview window is 200 pixels high and 1080 across when not floating. When I resize the 'Preview Dimensions' and dock it returns to the same size; 1080 * 200.
Glitterati3D posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 9:16 AM
Most Poser users found the upgrade to be painless, useful and professionally completed for the user.
Perhaps folks can help, but coming in here screeching attacks doesn't get you much support.
Did you file a support ticket?
Did you upgrade to 11.2 on the 19th and are using a fully supported version of the software or a different version?
Did you select "Use existing settings" to avoid a complete change in your setting preferences?
Did you install to a new location or over the currently installed version of Poser?
What version of Poser did you attempt to upgrade FROM?
Are you using Windows or MAC?
Do you want some assistance or did you just come into the forum to shout and screech?
vitachick posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 9:27 AM
First time ever that upgrade had such negative comments.....:(
Win10 Poser 2014/Poser 11 Daz3D
hborre posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 9:48 AM
Let's put this into perspective, it was either Bondware taking over full operation of Poser or SM making a surprise announcement that Poser would no longer be supported nor sold by them. So individuals may have very negative options and would rather vent without seeking support, but imagine the alternative, not support and no active software. Let's get on the same page and help each other sort these problems out. We have a company willing to listen rather than a company concerned with it's monetary bottom line and making a decision that the software is no longer in their best interest.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 9:53 AM
Glitterati, Point to me WHERE EXACTLY in my post is this SCREECHING ATTACK? "Most Poser users found the upgrade to be painless, useful and professionally completed for the user". Well, except for those posting to the contrary in the forum and myself. I upgraded the day it came out (being in Australia, juggling US vs Aust dates can be confusing) with fully supported version of the software. During the install I selected "Use existing settings" for my preferences. I installed to the previous directory, over the currently installed version The previous version was the PP11 that was operational the day before the 'UP'grade I am using a W10Pro i7 with 128g RAM and a 1060 - all of which worked well the day before the 'UP'grade I have also installed the NEW new Poser 11 'UP'grade
all of this to no avail.
I am glad that MOST POSER USERS found little difficulty, let's throw a party sometime, I just want my EXPENSIVE PROGRAM to work.
Please, if you want to interpret my opening post as hostile then just move on. I need help with my poser, not advice on my character.
@Vitachick, From your remark, I guess you have not read posts in the forum? Thanks for your very helpful observation, it really hasn't helped at all
Glitterati3D posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:01 AM
SSfromM12 posted at 10:58AM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364887
Glitterati, Point to me WHERE EXACTLY in my post is this SCREECHING ATTACK? "Most Poser users found the upgrade to be painless, useful and professionally completed for the user". Well, except for those posting to the contrary in the forum and myself. I upgraded the day it came out (being in Australia, juggling US vs Aust dates can be confusing) with fully supported version of the software. During the install I selected "Use existing settings" for my preferences. I installed to the previous directory, over the currently installed version The previous version was the PP11 that was operational the day before the 'UP'grade I am using a W10Pro i7 with 128g RAM and a 1060 - all of which worked well the day before the 'UP'grade I have also installed the NEW new Poser 11 'UP'grade
all of this to no avail.
I am glad that MOST POSER USERS found little difficulty, let's throw a party sometime, I just want my EXPENSIVE PROGRAM to work.
Please, if you want to interpret my opening post as hostile then just move on. I need help with my poser, not advice on my character.
@Vitachick, From your remark, I guess you have not read posts in the forum? Thanks for your very helpful observation, it really hasn't helped at all
So, help me out here......you installed the upgrade more than 10 days ago (by Australian or US calendar) and didn't test it? Had this problem 10 days ago and didn't report it anywhere?
If you want assistance, you need to calm down and ASK for it.
Start with a support ticket for assistance. Then come back here and let fellow users TRY to help you figure it out. But, we can't do much to assist you if you only want to attack, screech and complain.
Glitterati3D posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:18 AM
Please keep in mind that the folks here are, by and large, users just like you. You need to follow the proper procedure for tech support and that is to file a support ticket here: https://support.posersoftware.com/portal/newticket
In the meantime, try something simple for me. Go to Edit>General Preferences and check Launch to Factory Scene.
Exit Poser, then re-launch it and post a screen shot of your opening screen.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:19 AM
Thank you hborre, I've imagined the alternatives; Maya, Blender, Cinema4D... there are others as well. The notification said this would go smoothly, it did not. Although I am not a tellitubbie nor a care bear, I wish to use my program; it is not a random opportunity to offend your forum group as much as some would like to think. After searching the rather lengthy forum for similar problems on a PC (there are a lot of Mac users here) I turned to the next step of troubleshooting before I give up. I have been supporting Poser from Poser 4, PAYING for each iteration as the owners came and went. As there are many that post here, I thought some-one might have a clue about what I should attempt next. Perhaps I was wrong
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:36 AM
Glitterati; So again, your assumptions. I 'UP'graded and it did not work. I have been trying to fix it for days now. Thank you for your presumption that I did not test it, that really calmed me down. After I have failed in all attempts I took time to address the forum for advice - I found none that applied to my problem. THEN... I posted the SCREECHING ATTACK on you oh-so-patient people, denigrating you all and your program until you are broken and bruised crushed under my outrageously brutal statement and request for assistance. I noticed you are reluctant to point out where my "SCREECHING ATTACK" was in the opening post. You seemed so adamant I am keen to know where I did so I don't unwittingly do it again
Thanks for all your help
ThunderStone posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:37 AM
So it finally has to happen. The negative comments are starting to roll in from folks who hadn't bother to read the forums or file a support ticket. SMH.
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randym77 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:50 AM
ThunderStone posted at 10:47AM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364904
So it finally has to happen. The negative comments are starting to roll in from folks who hadn't bother to read the forums or file a support ticket. SMH.
To be fair, it probably was a rude surprise for many, to find they couldn't open Poser any more. Not everyone reads the forums, and though Rosity and Smith Micro sent out emails warning of the change, it probably looked like junk mail to a lot of people, if they even still use the email they registered the software with.
I'm guessing the grace period is over, and we're going to get a lot more people wondering why Poser no longer works.
blackbonner posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:51 AM
SSfromM12 listen, calm down and pay attention to what you have been told. Do you tried out what Glitterati3d has recommended? If so, post the results. If the windows behave strangely, it could be an old driver for your Graphics card. You also can check in the preferences the UI Scale. Are you working on a Laptop, like me, you might change the UI from 1.00 to 1.25. This is a compromise between readability and window size. You see, there is much to check to resolve your problems. But, as we say in Germany, one can only help people who talk. The headline of yours was like a crash landing airplane, the rest was very angry and not very organized. That makes it difficult to help. Do you understand that?
Glitterati3D posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:55 AM
randym77 posted at 11:52AM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364906
ThunderStone posted at 10:47AM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364904
So it finally has to happen. The negative comments are starting to roll in from folks who hadn't bother to read the forums or file a support ticket. SMH.
To be fair, it probably was a rude surprise for many, to find they couldn't open Poser any more. Not everyone reads the forums, and though Rosity and Smith Micro sent out emails warning of the change, it probably looked like junk mail to a lot of people, if they even still use the email they registered the software with.
I'm guessing the grace period is over, and we're going to get a lot more people wondering why Poser no longer works.
Right, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is going to have a successful upgrade.
But, coming in the forum, screeching, threatening with attorneys, and slamming Poser no matter how much help one tries to give is just not the way to get help.
I GET that folks are upset. But, step back, calm down and ASK for help. This forum will try it's best to help, and the support structure will also work with users to help.
Rhia474 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:55 AM
To be fair, what other ways of warning people would have been appropriate? Sending several emails in a row/ newsletters/ posts on the site has all been done. The previous owner's actions cannot be dictated by the new owner, and if someone purchases a software, one may assume they are not averse to other digital platforms.
I remember when e-on had the data breach and without any warning Cornucopia3D went poof. THAT was holding all my content hostage situation if I ever saw one. All following versions going subscription did not delight many, many people there. That content just became available again for download, after years.
randym77 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:00 AM
Glitterati3D posted at 10:56AM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364909
Right, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is going to have a successful upgrade.
But, coming in the forum, screeching, threatening with attorneys, and slamming Poser no matter how much help one tries to give is just not the way to get help.
I GET that folks are upset. But, step back, calm down and ASK for help. This forum will try it's best to help, and the support structure will also work with users to help.
Agreed, but this particular OP was not that rude. That other guy with the lawyer, yes. He needs to get a grip. But this guy wasn't too bad. His thread title is a bit over the top, but his post isn't terrible.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:02 AM
Thunderstone, Wasn't it you that commented on a post about "SUBJECT: I give up on Poser. Officially." Did you not notice that KaribouBoutique was making negative comments? They were from a few days ago. Rather than being smug and condescending to others, why not just skip commenting altogether on this request for assistance. It's because of the overly sensitive and delicate like you I am reluctant to post in the first place. I posted in the forum for the very purpose of asking the local intelligensia before disturbing officialdom. Is that ok by you? (SMH indeed... I only know you people from your postings..)
Glitterati3D posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:05 AM
randym77 posted at 12:04PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364912
Glitterati3D posted at 10:56AM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364909
Right, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is going to have a successful upgrade.
But, coming in the forum, screeching, threatening with attorneys, and slamming Poser no matter how much help one tries to give is just not the way to get help.
I GET that folks are upset. But, step back, calm down and ASK for help. This forum will try it's best to help, and the support structure will also work with users to help.
Agreed, but this particular OP was not that rude. That other guy with the lawyer, yes. He needs to get a grip. But this guy wasn't too bad. His thread title is a bit over the top, but his post isn't terrible.
The problem is that his post gives us nothing to help him WITH. All of those questions I asked should have been part of the first post if he wanted help.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:15 AM
BlackBonner, Thank you, I really mean it. I didn't realize the op was so potent. I am not a lawyer nor a priest. If the sensitive of this forum are easily hurt perhaps someone could make a sticky post about it in the forum. I appreciate the tip about the graphics card. I shall obtain new drivers immediately.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:22 AM
Glitterati, Please make a sticky post with ALL the information required to pose a question for first time posters.
Glitterati3D posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:23 AM
SSfromM12 posted at 12:22PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364921
Glitterati, Please make a sticky post with ALL the information required to pose a question for first time posters.
OK, I'm done trying to help. Good luck.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:28 AM
Glitterati, You like to torment people with a disability? What's wrong with you? I make a post pointing out how to rectify YOUR problem and you act like I slapped you. WHAT IS IT YOU WANT? to be right or WHAT? If I had've known what to ask I would have ASKED IT!
SeanMartin posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:37 AM
I suggest going to the download page, use that to go to the Home page, look for the link to Help, and file a freaking ticket. It's not rocket science, people.
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SeanMartin posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 11:54 AM
And for those who need it:
https://support.posersoftware.com/portal/home
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willyb53 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 12:03 PM
SSfromM12 posted at 12:01PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364926
Glitterati, You like to torment people with a disability? What's wrong with you? I make a post pointing out how to rectify YOUR problem and you act like I slapped you. WHAT IS IT YOU WANT? to be right or WHAT? If I had've known what to ask I would have ASKED IT!
Glitterati is a user that was trying to help you, she is not an employee of Renderosity, and you have guarunteed that she will not try to help you again.
Bill
People that know everything by definition can not learn anything
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 12:16 PM
Thanks for your help, Blackbonner. Unfortunately the Graphics driver did not fix the problem. To all you others, thanks for your suggestions. It has certainly opened my eyes to the friendliness and comraderie available in this forum. Seeing as the 'local intelligensia' cannot assist my next step is to go 'and file a freaking ticket'. I thought other autistic people were sensitive but you guys are brittle as.
SeanMartin posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 12:18 PM
SSfromM12 posted at 1:17PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364940
Thanks for your help, Blackbonner. Unfortunately the Graphics driver did not fix the problem. To all you others, thanks for your suggestions. It has certainly opened my eyes to the friendliness and comraderie available in this forum. Seeing as the 'local intelligensia' cannot assist my next step is to go 'and file a freaking ticket'. I thought other autistic people were sensitive but you guys are brittle as.
Or maybe some of us are just tired of people who simply look to complain and make it pretty clear that unless solutions are trotted out like prizes on The Price Is Right, then everything is just a complete and total waste of time... do I have it right thus far?
Go file a freaking ticket.
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SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 12:30 PM
Thanks Bill, From the "screeching attack" remark I assumed G had already taken offence. How many people know what to say? Is it just me? I would really like to know what it was that I posted that was a screeching attack. We have Magpies and crows here that can take your eye out, I can't see why G said that. If you see G, thank them for me regardless
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 12:31 PM
OK SEAN I'LL GO FILE A FRIKKEN TIKKET -WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ?
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 12:35 PM
Sean, If you're tired of people complaining then just pass over their posts. I can't see how this post has made you tired of people, it is my FIRST post. What is wrong with you? Why am I to blame?
Giana posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:12 PM
hello :))
i think what happened, how all this seemed to go downhill so quickly, is the phrasing of this thread's title, in addition to your question about what you may or mayn't have done to deserve such treatment. i agree with you that some folks in here might be a bit sensitive; however, lots of us are not. and certainly calling folks 'sensitive' is a way to 'push buttons' so to speak.
the thing is is all we have are words on a page to read, no vocal inflections, no facial features to help us 'read' the context of these words.
i do think when a person asks a question such as 'what have i done to deserve [insert anything]', it comes across, or reads, as that person feeling things at a personal level, thus people might react to words thereafter as personal as well. am i making sense? [i hope i am... sigh]
maybe everyone could just start over from here and move forward in a civilized fashion...
i read you're having issues with the sizing of your UI. you've stated that you've tried several ways of testing it in order to fix it. can you say more about what you've tried? it might help folks who are more knowledgeably than i find a better starting point with assisting you and making corrective suggestions.
hope it can be resolved! :))
bagginsbill posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:23 PM
"Have deleted prefs, have uninstalled and re-installed still the same. "
This sounds right, but we're assuming a definition of "prefs" here. Be more specific - which file did you delete? There are many.
Renderosity forum reply notifications are wonky. If I read a follow-up in a thread, but I don't myself reply, then notifications no longer happen AT ALL on that thread. So if I seem to be ignoring a question, that's why. (Updated September 23, 2019)
bagginsbill posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:29 PM
If you do not have the file finding tool called "everything" I suggest you get it.
Now - using that tool, here are all the Poser UI preference files on MY computer. The only one Poser is using is the one that was saved TODAY.
As there are many other preference files that don't affect the UI layout, and this one is the one and only file that will "RESET" my layout, you need to be talking more clearly about what you deleted.
Renderosity forum reply notifications are wonky. If I read a follow-up in a thread, but I don't myself reply, then notifications no longer happen AT ALL on that thread. So if I seem to be ignoring a question, that's why. (Updated September 23, 2019)
bagginsbill posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:32 PM
Having seen this sort of problem many times over the years (approaching two decades actually) I think it is high time that Poser documents include a FAQ so people who don't read the forum can find what they need.
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gate posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:35 PM
ok I think all should go back to the roots , I just read this thread and to be honest I could not read any attacks concerning the request for help the only thing was the words " What did I do to deserve this sort of treatment? " but by any means it was no attack of the concerned .... it is understandable that people who try to help seem to be under pressure but I think also these should not blow off like this just because the Pot is full. there should not be any witch hunt or seeking for a black sheep.
My personal meaning is also that if someone that updates get such a result might be shocked and frustrated... just imagine you spend a decade collecting Poser stuff spending 1000 of $ supporting artists and then puff all just gone that is sure a good reason that one would say " What did I do to deserve this sort of treatment? " and for sure it is not offending....
all this is ending u in a wrong direction and the user that needs help will never get it and I think he did not deserve such a reaction.
also you People should stay on the floor as many others that might have issues read these threads and get scarred off, they give up and just start using another program this naturally could result that at the end Artists suffer as they sell less of there Poser creations.
I also think that for Renderosity it is Important to keep as many Poser users as Possible and get even more, it would not be funny to remove almost 80% of a store just because Poser aint working right anymore things like RDNA happen verry fast .... unless it is the Plan but I doubt it !
bagginsbill posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:40 PM
I suspect this item should be talked about. If you do this and then restart Poser, everything is reset. If it doesn't then you have something truly magical happening.
Glitterati already showed this but it was ignored.
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bagginsbill posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:44 PM
Just in case it is missed, I'm going to reinforce this a bit.
DOES THIS FIX IT OP?
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structure posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:45 PM Forum Coordinator
SSfromM12 @4364917 Have you tried grabbing the UI with your cursor and moving it into the required positions? Video
If that does not work, please open your poser preferences folder - you will see a file ( or more than 1 ) with screen dimensions ( e.g. Poser UI Prefs_1920x1080 ) - please try deleting these files and restarting poser.
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structure posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:45 PM Forum Coordinator
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structure posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 1:46 PM Forum Coordinator
oops seems Bagginsbill beat me to it
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SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:04 PM
Thank you Giana, Your response has helped to calm me down. I tried to keep calm, I really did but nothing seemed to stop the accusations and grief. I have only posted on gamer forums before this as they have a sense of humour and proportion that I realize now could be uncommon. I am often reluctant to comment on threads for fear I may not put things well. I am not very good at writing and even though I have learnt to spell and increased my vocabulary, I am not good at expressing myself in genteel company. I had no idea the 'what have I done' remark would taint the meaning of my post. I've been sorting through so much information that was unhelpful it all begins to blur until I am bewildered and a little desperate. First when the upgrade was installed I thought I had done something wrong and spend that evening and the next day trying to use docking the palettes by resizing, then I investigated the Properties to engage the factory settings and UI scale. (I use a 1920*800 desktop monitor, not a lappy). I have noticed in the Appdata>Roaming>PoserPro> Prefs there is no default for my screen size but a Poser UI setting .xml that has that resolution. I tried deleting the Preferred state in Runtime>Prefs and Appdata>>>Prefs and then restarting. This didn't go so well. I reinstalled the program and the screen snap-to problem was still persistently resizing any applet I wanted to dock. I av'ed my machine and removed other visual art programs I have to see if there was a conflict of sorts. I google searched for users with similar problems but could not find any for W10Pro (Mac yes, PC no) I did not want to lodge a support ticket in case the answer was easily available from the forums and they must have such a load right now I thought it unkind to bother them so early in the transference of owners. After reading so much irrelevent material in the forums I felt if I were to want a response I should make a funny OP title. I wish I really hadn't now. I don't know if it's cultural or not, but the difference of the forums I've attended is like chalk and cheese to this one. Not that I'm complaining, there seems to be quite a sizable clientele in this forum. My real problem is the background the docking windows are smaller than the palettes when docked. I can scroll (except for tiny ones) but the scroll device is small and fiddly to use. I'm so sorry I created such a fuss. There are others that seem to have had to endure countless thickheads like me but I hold them no malice. If they hold my novice nature against me it isn't my fault and there is little I can do to ease the unhappiness they experience. If they needed help with installing hardware or advice on illustration arts I would sacrifice my time if needed. That's what it is to be mature - patient, helpful and if possible instructive. I am no silver tongued wordsmith. I never expected I had to be one.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:11 PM
Thank you BagginsBill. The picture I posted above was taken after doing the factory reset and the palette problem is visible in it. Thank you for taking time and interest to help me. And yes Structure, I have tried pushing it around. it does resize if I float the palettes but they dock strangely. In the older version the docking didn't go behind a window of the backgrond like it does now. Thanks for the suggestion though.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:15 PM
Thank you Structure I will delete that and see how it goes. It's 4 am here and I may have to wait til tomorrow to get at it again
structure posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:16 PM Forum Coordinator
SSFromM12, please, do not give up using the forums because of a bad experience, you do not need to be a silver tongued wordsmith, many are not. Many people are sensitive to criticism of any kind, perceived or real. There are those of us here who will try to help you in whatever way we can, because we believe that you should be able to enjoy your obsessions, which ALMOST everybody in this forum share. We actively welcome you to our forum.
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SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:21 PM
Thank you for your encouragement. That's very friendly of you. I was a little unsure earlier
bagginsbill posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:30 PM
SSfromM12 posted at 3:27PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364963
(I use a 1920*800 desktop monitor, not a lappy).
This is a peculiar size, not found among the factory default files. I wonder if this is a problem due to some erroneous simplification by the new developers? Like, if reset to factory defaults can't find the right size as a predefined file then some buggy never-before-used code got triggered.
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Giana posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:32 PM
hi hi!!
and welcome to the forums - truly.
just for the record, i think you are doing a fabulous job in your post to me with spelling and vocabulary. and you are probably correct in terms of 'culture' if you were referring to this forum vs. a gamers forum. i've never been on one of those, but i imagine that they can be quite chatty and pokey good fun, loud and rowdy, and there's nothing wrong with that. there IS humour here, too, but i suspect that the crowd here is more serious-minded, technical and trying to learn, or be more studious, so quite a different culture to be sure.
and i understand about feeling hesitant to post to ask for help. like you, i usually try to do heaps of research on my own before i think about asking anyone for help. i'm kinda shy tho', but still, i get 'it'. there have been times where i simply gave up because i could find no answer on my own, and i can honestly say that is NOT the way to go because it prevents one from learning and growing. so good on you for coming to the right conclusion TO ask for help, regardless of how it was phrased.
as i said, i don't know how to help you with your Poser issue [maybe i could have had i been more interactive here over these many years]. but i do have hope that even if the first few things suggested to you do not work, that some answer could be forthcoming.
oh, and i'm not spanking you or anything when i say this, but that's the other thing: because of the title to this thread, some folks who might have an answer might not bother because it might be perceived as negative, and they might avoid it altogether - just a thought that occurred to me. they might pop in though, so i'll keep my fingers and toes crossed for you.
go get some sleep. you must be quite frazzled.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 2:34 PM
Ok, I feel like I should try to explain some things here to help people comprehend each other. Please, don't see these as attacks - my words here will be meant as clarification.
-When you start a thread calling "Worst upgrade EVAR", you are attacking, even if you don't intend to. When you say "what have I done to deserve this": nothing. You have done nothing. Your software failing is not a personal attack to you - software problems happen.
-A lot of threads have been created lately complaining loudly and rudely about the update, and a lot of times it was the user's own mistake that caused a problem (I'm not saying this was your case). A lot of us who use the forums here frequently are tired by now - please excuse us if we seem sensitive. I promise you, it's not just because of you, it's just for being worn out.
-We're trying to help as users here, because Bondware is probably drowning in work - we know some tickets have been waiting for solution for days, but this is their first Poser iteration. A lot of bumps on the way were to be expected (at least I, personally, expected them).
-Most of us have also purchased Poser back since version 4, too. None of us deserve special treatment for it. We purchased versions of a program so we could use its features, and so we did. My dad has been buying the game FIFA since version 98 every year and he's just purchased version 2020. For three of those versions a while there, he was unable to play online and contacted support - Electronic Arts, an ENORMOUS company, failed to solve his problem for three years of back-and-forth emails (that tended to take 6 months each to be replied by them). I the end, I solved his problem by googling for it and testing some things. THAT is what I call bad support. Bondware has been doing all they can, and largely they've been doing a good job at it.
-Please don't toss a "what's wrong with you attacking someone with a disability?". We had no way to know you have any disabilities. That accusation borders on manipulative, and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If it helps, I live with ADHD and what's left of growing up with panic disorder, and deal closely with many autistic people - if you'd care to explain your disability, I might try to find a way to communicate with you more easily.
-You've ignored a few attempts of help there, so people are prone to giving up on helping you. And most people who posted here are users, who have no obligation with you and were trying to help you just because they might have been able to.
-Everyone, let's please take a breather and start this over?
Ok, I'm gonna read through your problem and see if I have any idea (I'm a user too, by the way.)
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 3:10 PM
Forum ate my reply, or it was my connection that did it, I don't know which - but in any case I seem to have crossposted with other people and it seems bagginsbill might be much better to help you here, so I'll be just hoping you get your problem resolved.
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
gate posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 4:04 PM
Not sure if this might help you as I noticed that the original Files from Poser 11 Prefs should have different file sizes these are the original ones so you might try to replace them with the ones you have to see if it helps you might be lucky.
would suggest that you backup your Prefs before placing in these in case that it does not work. and use at own risc LOL
Location found @ Runtime -----> prefs
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 8:43 PM
Thank you for your advice BagginsBill, I have that resolution (1920*1080) as well. I noticed that there was a User UI pref file that size but not a default UI prefs, to me it is a clue but I am not fluent in python nor brave enough to copy/rename_iteration as default UI/#rename_original_file/test. Comrade 'Gate' has suggested a link for me. If I derive an answer to the issue from this, should I post back to you (should anyone else have the same issue)? It seems a rare occurance. If I could ask one more thing; if I am unsuccessful, while I tried to log a support ticket the issue is technical but is it Configuration, Update, General issue or Other issue? I don't want to get the professionals as confused as I am.
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 9:09 PM
Thank you Gate, Unfortunately the zipfile doesn't have the resolution for my screen and I am grateful for your efforts. I'll be lodging a ticket as soon as I clear up a form issue. The upgrade issue seems a sensitive topic with many of those that wish to help novices, I hope this is only temporary and that as time passes, the user community will become settled. When a game has changes to a multiplayer map, the cursing and remonstrations persist for weeks, sometimes months. I have never had this much trouble to shoot on any of the other updates/upgrades to Poser I have bought in the past. Most support services want the novice to consult with gregarious members of the community forums before lodging a support ticket. Seeing as how I have had difficulty expressing myself in the forum, I dread trying to describe the problem on the ticket request. Regardless, Thank you for taking time with a crooked pin.
randym77 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 9:17 PM
SSfromM12 posted at 9:14PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4365068
The upgrade issue seems a sensitive topic with many of those that wish to help novices, I hope this is only temporary and that as time passes, the user community will become settled.
I think it's mostly just today. There was someone here just before you who was extremely rude and trollish, and just got worse the more people tried to help him. So the forum was kind of riled up. I think a lot of the frustration over him spilled over onto you. We're usually not that thin-skinned.
Penguinisto posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 9:49 PM
vitachick posted at 7:47PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364879
First time ever that upgrade had such negative comments.....:(
Should've been around for Poser 5's release (heh.)
Seriously though - there is a pinned top post or three with tons of support info, yes?
SSfromM12 posted Mon, 30 September 2019 at 10:14 PM
Thank you for your thoughtful post Aphrodite-Ohki! I see now that my thread title was not recieved with the levity I assumed it would. If I ever dare making a thread again I will keep this in mind. My intention was to ease the burden of the support team by seeking an answer here first if possible. I consulted many long threads and though I confess I did not read them all, some titles were misleading (a Mac issue rather than PC for example or a librarypath problem etc). I also see some of the titles were not as amiable as one would prefer. In no way was I comparing anyone with EA support, I am not heartless and in no way was this meant as a provocation. I only mentioned my history of using the program was about the usual smoothish transitions as the program was sold to different owners. I have no virtues, I have nothing to signal. I expect no more from the statement than "It all went smoothly for years, now this is different". I am not trying to incriminate anyone. These complainers must have been ferocious and unrelenting but I was not doing that. I thought some young people would see it, know the language and respond, honest. My condolences on the ADHD. I congratulate your efforts, achievements and staying power in the face of an adverse and largely ignorant humanity. I thought my AS condition was openly displayed in the way my posts are constructed, though I am high functioning, I am not well socialized nor ignorant of my shortcomings. I had difficulty with taking a snapshot of the UI for a while (I am not the only one that uses this computer) and I posted it when I could - I ignored no-one's assistance consciously. I know I should hold my tongue when provoked regardless of the circumstances but it was late, I had been frustrated by this program for days and my tone may have been a shade dark when first posted. My apologies to all offended. please, never attend a gamer forum - you will die from the turbulence common there. Regardless, thank you for your post. I wish the transfer of ownership a smooth transition and the forum community the best of luck with the next noob. I'm off to fill in a form
Afrodite-Ohki posted Tue, 01 October 2019 at 7:16 AM
SSfromM12 posted at 7:47AM Tue, 01 October 2019 - #4365081
Thank you for your thoughtful post Aphrodite-Ohki! I see now that my thread title was not recieved with the levity I assumed it would. If I ever dare making a thread again I will keep this in mind.
We're usually good with humor here, but you'll see, the moment is a touchy one :)
My intention was to ease the burden of the support team by seeking an answer here first if possible.
And that's appreciated by the support team I'm sure - that's why we users have been attempting to help when we can!
In no way was I comparing anyone with EA support, I am not heartless and in no way was this meant as a provocation.
Oh, I know, I only mentioned EA as a comparison - that buying a program with every new version that comes for it doesn't grant a user special treatment.
I only mentioned my history of using the program was about the usual smoothish transitions as the program was sold to different owners. I have no virtues, I have nothing to signal. I expect no more from the statement than "It all went smoothly for years, now this is different".
Smith Micro had gotten rid of most of Poser's developers some years ago - I don't think Bondware was able to bring all of them back into the fold. So I imagine that most of the people working on this new version don't know a lot of its kinks and quirks, and from what I'm told, there are a lot of those, as Poser is still running with a very old core.
I am not trying to incriminate anyone. These complainers must have been ferocious and unrelenting but I was not doing that. I thought some young people would see it, know the language and respond, honest.
You were not doing that, I know - but as we've mentioned, it's been a rocky few days around here and we're tired, and in fight-or-flight mode. And on being young: I've at one point been considered the baby of the community, and I'm now 34 - you'll find that a lot of the active community of Poser is made of older people :)
My condolences on the ADHD. I congratulate your efforts, achievements and staying power in the face of an adverse and largely ignorant humanity.
No need for condolences - it's just a thing I have. It's annoying at times, but most times it's just there and I gotta work around it. It's been easier after the diagnose, because now I know it's no use trying to force myself to focus on the task at hand, my brain doesn't work like that, so I've been more productive now that I can just walk away and grab something to eat every time my mind wanders. But yes, society can be brutal against people who are neurodivergent, trying to force us to just fit the box instead of allowing each of us to just do things the way we can.
I thought my AS condition was openly displayed in the way my posts are constructed, though I am high functioning, I am not well socialized nor ignorant of my shortcomings.
It's not easy to spot, specially through text. If we were in front of you, we might have noticed some signs. At least those of us who know what to look for.
I know I should hold my tongue when provoked regardless of the circumstances but it was late, I had been frustrated by this program for days and my tone may have been a shade dark when first posted.
We've all been frustrated, that's why I asked everyone to take a breather and start this over! That's quite alright.
My apologies to all offended. please, never attend a gamer forum - you will die from the turbulence common there. Regardless, thank you for your post. I wish the transfer of ownership a smooth transition and the forum community the best of luck with the next noob. I'm off to fill in a form
I've actually been gaming since... forever, but gamer forums are one of the main reasons why I don't like calling myself a gamer. I guess I'm too old to find all that cursing and complaining and offense funny. But then again, I already didn't like it when I was a teen, so I guess it's just not my thing.
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Tue, 01 October 2019 at 7:25 AM
Now, back to your problem: If I were in the same situation as you are, I'd just set up my own user interface instead of waiting for support.
If you want to do it, here are some tips:
Every tool tab has a tiny triangle button with some interface options:
If a tool tab is set to docked, it'll try to tuck itself to your interface. If set to floating, it'll keep floating above your window without tucking itself to the interface. If you disable Drag-Docking in it, it won't be dragged and moved by your mouse when you click it, so you can avoid changing your interface by accident. You can use these to configure your Poser workspace.
Every tool tab that might be closed can be found here...
So you can open the tool tabs you want, place them where you want them in the interface, and then disable drag-docking when they're where you want them.
All the divisions between a tab/window and the other can be resized when you mouseover the split between them.
Using all of that, you can set your interface panels yourself, and then you can go to Edit>Preferences and, in the Interface tab, set the Launch Behavior to "Launch to previous state", so that Poser will load like that every time you open it.
As a suggestion/idea, here's what my interface looks like:
Some people will have it differently, depending on what they use more - a lot of people use the Hierarchy Editor a lot, or the Python Scripts panel, etc. Or use less space for the Library so more things can fit the screen. And so on.
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Afrodite-Ohki posted Tue, 01 October 2019 at 7:40 AM
Aaaand I'm a dumb who forgot the first post - I went back to it and was reminded that Poser is not ALLOWING you to change your panels. Sorry. I'd delete my post above, but it timed out and won't let me delete it anymore.
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
gate posted Tue, 01 October 2019 at 1:09 PM
SSfromM12 posted at 7:54PM Tue, 01 October 2019 - #4365068
Thank you Gate, Unfortunately the zipfile doesn't have the resolution for my screen and I am grateful for your efforts. I'll be lodging a ticket as soon as I clear up a form issue. The upgrade issue seems a sensitive topic with many of those that wish to help novices, I hope this is only temporary and that as time passes, the user community will become settled. When a game has changes to a multiplayer map, the cursing and remonstrations persist for weeks, sometimes months. I have never had this much trouble to shoot on any of the other updates/upgrades to Poser I have bought in the past. Most support services want the novice to consult with gregarious members of the community forums before lodging a support ticket. Seeing as how I have had difficulty expressing myself in the forum, I dread trying to describe the problem on the ticket request. Regardless, Thank you for taking time with a crooked pin.
Hmm my screen resolution is 1920x1080 and even if the Prefs do not contain such a resolution it works fine the ones I zipped are the ones that came out in 2015 so if these do not work then it sure might be another issue. Did you keep copy of your old activation in case that you would want to try to make a roll Back .... There is a Possibility to runn Poser 11.1 without having to worry that it calls home so in worst case you could use 11.1 until the issues are fixed.
It might even work just like that using the latest Poser Update that SM Provided it would make Poser back to 11.1 you would just need to block the call home either with a Firewall or in your Host file
"Boy I'd get a big Spazz if it happen to me" the main reason why I still runn 11.1
quietrob posted Tue, 01 October 2019 at 1:36 PM
Aww man, the OP turned out to be a decent individual just when I was ready to poke a tiger with a stick.
To the Op : How are you doing? Did you get your issues resolved without a ticket? By the way. My screen resolution is 1280x720. Screen Width: 1280 pixels / Screen Height: 720 pixels. Works fine though my UI interface is at 1.5.
feedesneige posted Wed, 02 October 2019 at 1:04 PM
SSfromM12 posted at 12:59PM Wed, 02 October 2019 - #4364917
BlackBonner, Thank you, I really mean it. I didn't realize the op was so potent. I am not a lawyer nor a priest. If the sensitive of this forum are easily hurt perhaps someone could make a sticky post about it in the forum. I appreciate the tip about the graphics card. I shall obtain new drivers immediately.
I have the same problem. I use a MacOS High Sierra version 10.13.4 I upgrade from Poser pro 11
I have try 'the lunch of factory stats but it changed nothing. So what can I try?
The floating window doesn't work well. In fact, nothing work like it is supposed to. the window document size is 2552 by 128 and cannot be changed by hand.
feedesneige posted Wed, 02 October 2019 at 1:34 PM
Problem resolve. In the preference the language 'francais' was set up so I changed it to english. Close poser 11 and restart. And everything seem to be fine. Thank you.
unrealblue posted Wed, 02 October 2019 at 4:54 PM
Two things:
That's exactly the way my interface looks. You stole that layout from me. You punk kids, these days... :D
That top. Super cute. What is it?
Three. Three things
Your stuff is starting to expand in my runtime. Can I ask you to make less stuff? Every time I turn around, it seems like there's another "must have" Afrodite-Ohki product. Paypal's servers can only take so much of this.
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 7:46AM Thu, 03 October 2019 - #4365135
Now, back to your problem: If I were in the same situation as you are, I'd just set up my own user interface instead of waiting for support.
If you want to do it, here are some tips:
Every tool tab has a tiny triangle button with some interface options:
If a tool tab is set to docked, it'll try to tuck itself to your interface. If set to floating, it'll keep floating above your window without tucking itself to the interface. If you disable Drag-Docking in it, it won't be dragged and moved by your mouse when you click it, so you can avoid changing your interface by accident. You can use these to configure your Poser workspace.
Every tool tab that might be closed can be found here...
So you can open the tool tabs you want, place them where you want them in the interface, and then disable drag-docking when they're where you want them.
All the divisions between a tab/window and the other can be resized when you mouseover the split between them.
Using all of that, you can set your interface panels yourself, and then you can go to Edit>Preferences and, in the Interface tab, set the Launch Behavior to "Launch to previous state", so that Poser will load like that every time you open it.
As a suggestion/idea, here's what my interface looks like:
Some people will have it differently, depending on what they use more - a lot of people use the Hierarchy Editor a lot, or the Python Scripts panel, etc. Or use less space for the Library so more things can fit the screen. And so on.
unrealblue posted Wed, 02 October 2019 at 5:34 PM
To contrast (just because I'ma contrary sort of person), this has actually been my smoothest Poser upgrade. In fact, it went so smoothly, I had to open "About Poser" just to check version and see the new Bondware (c)! It just plain worked. I'm almost scared to use it for fear that it'll explode or something :D
I'm amazed they could even compile the beast, let along modify the code without destroying the entire thing. Taking over someone else's code is brutal under the best circumstances, let alone code this complex, with its decades of cruft. Seriously impressive! This gives me a lot of confidence in the new team. Hive fives, back slaps, and thumbs up all around. Looking forward to 12.0 :p
Afrodite-Ohki posted Wed, 02 October 2019 at 6:09 PM
thoennes posted at 7:05PM Wed, 02 October 2019 - #4365459
Two things:
- That's exactly the way my interface looks. You stole that layout from me. You punk kids, these days... :D
(Credits to the wonderful folk who made Dream Daddy, yadda yadda)
- That top. Super cute. What is it?
That's Simple Basics - Buckle Top, which I just uploaded into the store today! Should be available soon, if testing doesn't find any problems with it.
- Three. Three things
- Your stuff is starting to expand in my runtime. Can I ask you to make less stuff? Every time I turn around, it seems like there's another "must have" Afrodite-Ohki product. Paypal's servers can only take so much of this.
Sorry fam, I gotta pay the bills and also keep that creative critter in my head fed (also, now I'm blushing. I hope you're happy.)
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
unrealblue posted Wed, 02 October 2019 at 9:13 PM
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 12:10PM Thu, 03 October 2019 - #4365479
Sorry fam, I gotta pay the bills and also keep that creative critter in my head fed (also, now I'm blushing. I hope you're happy.)
Your stuff makes me happy. And there's few things better than a well fed head dwelling creative critter. So, indeed, I'm happy, thank you ^.^
Afrodite-Ohki posted Thu, 03 October 2019 at 5:44 AM
thoennes posted at 6:43AM Thu, 03 October 2019 - #4365515
Afrodite-Ohki posted at 12:10PM Thu, 03 October 2019 - #4365479
Sorry fam, I gotta pay the bills and also keep that creative critter in my head fed (also, now I'm blushing. I hope you're happy.)
Your stuff makes me happy. And there's few things better than a well fed head dwelling creative critter. So, indeed, I'm happy, thank you ^.^
Awww shush, you're the sweetest.
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Feel free to call me Ohki!
Poser Pro 11, Poser 12 and Poser 13, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.
Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 96gb ram.
Glitterati3D posted Thu, 03 October 2019 at 2:29 PM
Now that the OP has calmed down a little I do think I can help.
First, I have had this happen with a failing mouse AND with a failing graphics card. I had 2 monitors on my system and lost the graphics card, leaving all my parameters and libraries off on a 2nd monitor I could no longer use (the emergency card only supported one monitor). The only thing that brought them back to the single monitor was setting the system to Launch to Factory Settings.
The 2nd circumstance was with a failing mouse. I dragged the preview screen above the menu in error and had a heck of a time getting it positioned correctly again.
First, using the arrow on the right of the preview screen, set it to Floating.
Now, you should have it floating somewhere on your screen, and you can drag it where it should be (in all that blank space below where it is now). Keep a tight grip on the mouse, hold the left mouse button down and drag the preview screen. When it gets to a place where you can safely drop it, that section of the screen will become highlighted. (On my screen it changes to a blueish grey color). You can release the mouse button when you see the highlight and your preview screen should be where you need it.
Once you get that accomplished, we can see what needs to be done with the parameters menu and library.