Just made a check on the Permanent Licence and Blocking the call home feature from Poser 11.1 !! Even if you have a Permanent licence and want to keep you Poser 11.1 running it will not Happen as after about a Half year it will ask to reactivate Poser !!

You will loose this Version even if you depend on it ... I made a test runn by changing the Date !! Got then the message of 7 days grace Period to reactivate Poser . I am not sure why this is happening or if Bond-ware has indirect access to force a change ! My luck that I tested it on a separate machine " AS I REALLY DEPEND ON THE FEATURES OF P 11.1 "

Well " I AM PISSED " Iove to support Poser and I make High end models to motivate others to support this Program .... the way it is now it is not very motivating at all !!!

My second test was " Is it possible to get Poser 11.1 back running with the Legitimate Licence " And yes I got it back working .... It will not work through the Internet as yo will get the message that your Poser licence is expired. you will have to make a offline activation !! so what remains is you have to hope that SM still activates your Poser 11.1 sending you a " activation_certificate " after you gave them the " Poser_Pro_ActivationRequest " or you will be forced to use a Licence generator ... witch is the faster Option to reactivate your Legitimate Poser 11.1 version.

It is very disappointing the way it has to go as it makes things complicated and does not really Prevent that Poser 11.1 would stopp working. it is just causing that you need to reactivate manually once in a while if you depend on the features of Poser 11.1

You keep accusing bondware of something they did not do. Smith Micro killed the licence server, so when your permanent licence eventually calls home to check that it is valid, you will need to update. Secondly, you need to stop advocating the use of pirate techniques to further your use of the software.

Locked Out

And yet, in another thread ( https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2938693# ) you insist SM was innocent and never required the online check in.

Perhaps you just need to get your stories straight first, before you encourage others to pirate their software.

Actually it is not advocating the use of pirate techniques as it is a "Legal Licence"

The Irony of this whole thing if you already mention Pirating is that the ones who have a Illegitimate Poser running do not even notice what is going on ! these will not get a notification not a call home not a forced shut down !

the Irony is that Legitimate users get Punished , get controlled , get checked, have issues with there software . Sure it is not to blame just Bondware it is also to blame SM but Bondware even made the licencing more strict, removed Options , try to get full control on Honest costumers.

I Bought several Poser Licences and if needed even more then once !!! So Do not dare call me a Pirate .... the Thief would be the one who gave me a lifetime Licence and turn it off !!! I will even Buy the next version of Poser " But I will make sure that it works and not be shut down at free will " as customer you also have rights !

It is not a good business to restrict Honest customers while the Un-Honest ones do not even notice the action of changes . There would of been better options to make it attractive as this for sure is not the solution to keep People Honest.

@Glitterati3D My mistake .. I passed the night testing the " Legitimite Poser " and it resulted that even if having a Permanent licence it would get a shutdown .. I wanted to make sure as It got mentioned that it will not stand so I was wrong on that it would work with blocking the call home or have a Permanent Licence , as well the ones who believe that the Permanent licence will stand. And I tell you there are quiet a few who depend on the 11.1 version for there running Projects !!

Talking about licence generators is still advocating piracy, why not try something more suited to your needs that does not open you up to virii or ransomware?

Maybe try Nirsofts RunAsDate and while that particular software might not work, there may be other like it that will.

Locked Out

11.2 is the solution. O.P. refuse the solution. END of the story.

As I recall, when Poser Pro 2014 GD was introduced, you were allowed to use it offline but you needed to be connected about every 6 months to renew your license. I don't know what the permanent licenses allow and for how long which reinstallation a very tricky issue. I am not surprised that SM decided to extend that feature into Poser 11 rather than kill it when it became an outcry with the Game Developer.

Sounds to me as if you did not properly setup to a permanent license. I have here Poser 11.1 running on a machine with i-net connection and on my working machine that does not have i-net connection at all. Both still work and more than 1 year passed since i had set my license to permanent.

11.2 is not a solution if you rely on PoserFusion.

poserfusion can still be downloaded from SM with your poserfusion Serial key and will still run

Locked Out

@ Nagra_00_ Actually I did .... but I just checked it at SM and it seems that they removed all Licences from there site

When checking my Licences that are stored at S it gives a red message .....Error Loading Licence ------> Please select a valid Product on every single licence ... so that means that Permanent Licences are not stored any further " I start to wonder if the Sell contracts between SM and RO are really legitimate. " Glad I stored every single Receipt "

@hflam If you buy something and it does not work , wonder how you would act if one tells you get another one End Of The Story " Believe me, You will avoid this merchant in future "

See I'm just working besides other 100+ started Projects on the Halloween freebie and really I can not afford a change to P 11.2 that blocks Pytons or other creation tools in Poser. Generating a major issue by Uninstalling and reinstalling Poser every 4 day's the changes might be ok for a User " But probably not for a creator " For sure can not take the risc at the moment !

Halloween Fan Art Project

would really be disappointing loosing such Works and allot of time just because poser is messed up

Did you granted Poser access to the license server AFTER you had set your license to permanent? I read that you blocked the SM server, in that case Poser never received the permanent license info for local storage.

Nagra_00_ posted at 5:24PM Sat, 19 October 2019 - #4367637

Did you granted Poser access to the license server AFTER you had set your license to permanent? I read that you blocked the SM server, in that case Poser never received the permanent license info for local storage.

I had a Permanent licence since years as there were issues with the Setup room when deleting a bone that is not at the end of the Hierachy this caused a crash and Killed the Licence .. every time LOL so we set it up with SM that the Licence did not have to be renewed ....

Like I said before it might be that SM removed all the Permanent Licences , I actually do not block the Host file it was for testing purposes but it did not help in any way go and check your licence if it is still accessible at SM , I sure wonder now if they having issues on the site .... mine all give an error LOL If it concerns only my licences I'll have to call em up to fix them !!

Yep, i get the same error for my Poser licenses on the pgportal. But both PP2014GD and Poser 11.1 still work here. I added my.nalpeiron.com to my routers black list some weeks ago but i don’t think that makes any difference.

Nagra_00_ posted at 5:51PM Sat, 19 October 2019 - #4367639

Yep, i get the same error for my Poser licenses on the pgportal. But both PP2014GD and Poser 11.1 still work here. I added my.nalpeiron.com to my routers black list some weeks ago but i don’t think that makes any difference.

ok now change the date on your computer 1 year ++++ and hold your ears closed if it makes Bang when I made the test it did not help in any way ..... so might just be a matter of time

No no, i am not going to do that. There are far too many other software packages installed that could get confused.

ok lets bring some Humor in here .... better not be to serious about it as there is always a solution to fix the issues

Nagra_00_ posted at 6:21PM Sat, 19 October 2019 - #4367641

No no, i am not going to do that. There are far too many other software packages installed that could get confused.

guess you are right .... LOL as long as the apps do not run nothing should affect them but you never know .... I am glad I did this way, now I am aware and know how to get the issue fixed when it comes ... better early then to late ... . If it would of happen while working I would of gotten a big Blast

I had a permanent licence and then when Bondware took over, installed Poser 11.2, with no problems. The solution to the problems listed in this thread is to update to Bondware Poser 11.2 because the SM versions of Poser will stop working. And 11.2 is working fine for me.

A_Sunbeam posted at 2:17PM Sat, 19 October 2019 - #4367650

I had a permanent licence and then when Bondware took over, installed Poser 11.2, with no problems. The solution to the problems listed in this thread is to update to Bondware Poser 11.2 because the SM versions of Poser will stop working. And 11.2 is working fine for me.

Exactly the same for me.

structure posted at 6:41PM Sat, 19 October 2019 - #4367627

poserfusion can still be downloaded from SM with your poserfusion Serial key and will still run

If that's the case, why did dugpa have so much difficulty?

@Glitterati3D + A_Sunbeam I would loose the full setup of Plugins for the type of creations I do and the Pytons would have to be fixed it would frow me back years . this is mainly the reason why there are less and less creators that do standalone for Poser.

I have about 300 Plugins and Pytons so you might be able to imagine how much work it would be to get it to runn just because bondware made some changed on the version number and they are not finished jet. these I can not just save like the preferences ! this would be the point I would have to think about if it is worth fixing it all for 11.2 as everything works just great in P 11.1

In addition comes the fact that all pretend that SM started off with this kill switch trying to blame them but Bondware makes it even worse with a more restrictive licence stepping into the shoes of SM rather then to make it better ( Here comes the Sheep mode ) they did so we do it a little more. Creators sometimes just forget that they are the Hand that feed the one who provides the software ending up to be milked like a Cow.

@gate Is it worth your while getting the trial version of P11.2 and testing it out? If you've already done that, please ignore this post.

A_Sunbeam posted at 9:43AM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367695

@gate Is it worth your while getting the trial version of P11.2 and testing it out? If you've already done that, please ignore this post.

I Downloaded already about 4 versions but did not Install them jet , I was trying to figure out in what file the licence path is stored to change it in poser 11.1 this would avoid a conflict of registrations and both versions could be kept , I believe that it will overwrite the PoserActivation.dta in folder 11 and might again make Poser 11.1 unusable . Already thought of it and then slowly rebuild the Pyton and Plugin folder . My guess is that I will wait until Poser 12 comes out ( If it ever does ) then I can check the options there , it would be a new Licence , a new Path , a independent version, this way I could keep both versions like with Poser 4 - 11 that I have still all running . Also extent the Possibilities of creations due new built in options ( but this has to be evaluated when the day comes ) If it goes on the side for commerce then again it is not helpful for a Creator it then is just like the new store option an addition for the customers.

this option might then be worth to build up a new creation Poser and not be a loss of time , I believe until then Bondware will have gathered enough experience and flexibility for the end user and Model creators, as they sure need them to fill the store with great new models and new Customers that Buy these ( It is there Pay Day )

@gate

I use an external drive just for testing; that doesn't affect your working installation.

regarding PoserFusion:

not everyone is having issues: read here

Giana posted at 4:26PM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367707

regarding PoserFusion:

not everyone is having issues: read here

It would be nice if it would only concern Poser Fusion but actually it affects own creation tools and setups also adapted older Pyton scripts

A_Sunbeam posted at 4:29PM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367705

@gate

I use an external drive just for testing; that doesn't affect your working installation.

well you just gave me an Idea , Lets assume that the activation file is the same , should actually be so it would mean having two versions running, then remove the activation data generated from Poser 11.2 that in theory would deactivate both as there will be only one at the same Place , then reactivate Poser 11.1 " e voila " a permanent activation for both in one... this might work out unless that an error would occur and only one activation could run at once , this would be baad as activating more then 3 times the 11.2 version would cause a message that you activated it to many times !! this case would cause a pretty baad issue with bondware as I would insist for my right using my Licence.

Poser 11.1 and 11.2 do use the same folder and data files to store activation/license info. Poser 11.1 seems to be happy with the files generated by Poser 11.2 but using the files generated by Poser 11.1 drives Poser 11.2 crazy, atleast on my Mac. I have to keep backups for both versions.

Nagra_00_ posted at 5:05PM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367712

Poser 11.1 and 11.2 do use the same folder and data files to store activation/license info. Poser 11.1 seems to be happy with the files generated by Poser 11.2 but using the files generated by Poser 11.1 drives Poser 11.2 crazy, atleast on my Mac. I have to keep backups for both versions.

Well this answers this question " Thanks Nagra " ... then got to figure out how to change the Licence Path and Preference Path in P11.1 guess using the the Manual activation through 11.1 to activate both will not do and changing Preferences in P 11.1 could mess u Poser 11.2 Boa ... that is really baad so guess Bondware needs to hurry and release Poser 12 LOL and make it really worth getting ... rather then to mess to much around with the 11 version. unless they would separate the Licence and Preferences from 11.1 and give it a new Path this sure would be the solution, and Probably not to difficult. But I doubt they would do.... there to much control Freaks ....

I believe the file path is hard coded. If you really want to mess with it you could do the following: Create separate license and pref folders for 11.1 and 11.2. Instead of launching Poser directly use a start script that creates a sym link to the appropriate folders.

However don’t mess up your working installation, i love your work and i don’t want to see your projects go nirvana.

Before I updated to Poser 11.2 on the 19th of September I went into program files and changed the name of the Smith Micro Poser 11 folder from 11 to 11.1.1.35540. Then modified the existing desktop shortcut to point to the newly changed location also changed its name. And it worked. Installed Poser 11.2 and it put itself into my Smith Micro folder and called the folder Poser 11 and it appears to have used the prior install information. I run 11.2 then exit it and then run 11.1 and it has been running ever since. The only issue is that they share the same preferences not a big deal. I believe this works because Poser 11.1 & 11.2 are sharing the same serial number, so both look at the activation file and it looks good to both. 11.2 updates the file and 11.1 reads its and since it is freshly updated by 11.2 does not need to make the call home function. Also my machine is on the internet.

How long this will work no idea. But it has been over a month now so I would think it should have done a check by now. On the other hand I have all my Smith Micro licenses loaded at PGPortal, since I have both Poser and MoHo. I just checked PGPortal and the Poser serial numbers are no longer valid, whereas the MoHo ones are,

Poser 5, 6, 7, 8, Poser Pro 9 (2012), 10 (2014), 11, 12, 13

Nagra_00_ posted at 5:47PM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367715

I believe the file path is hard coded. If you really want to mess with it you could do the following: Create separate license and pref folders for 11.1 and 11.2. Instead of launching Poser directly use a start script that creates a sym link to the appropriate folders.

However don’t mess up your working installation, i love your work and i don’t want to see your projects go nirvana.

Guess I am loosing allot of time with all this stuff , also thought about it and checked all the Path's that would have to be changed :( it would even affect the cache and the saved Renders , really a mess . I actually made a Portable external with all the necessary setups so that Modeler programs communicate with each other within Poser it allows to make amazing stuff that ripps out the whole Power of Poser . so for sure no Nirvana !! and well I do not use the Fusions there is no need to ... Not even DS is capable of handling such a system so it sure is sad what is happening at the moment .

Like I said if Bondware messes up and just concentrate on commerce it might pull Poser back to Stonehenge, just being an activation control fanatic is sure the wrong way to go as we can see how much damage it can cause already just with a few ending version numbers ... and just "Hey we got our store built into Poser" .. I tell you , you forgot the Creators by just wanting to get a thick wallet.

Richard60 posted at 6:52PM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367717

"Before I updated to Poser 11.2 on the 19th of September I went into program files and changed the name of the Smith Micro Poser 11 folder from 11 to 11.1.1.35540. Then modified the existing desktop shortcut to point to the newly changed location also changed its name. And it worked. .."

That's what I did and its working here also

gate posted at 8:04AM Mon, 21 October 2019 - #4367711

A_Sunbeam posted at 4:29PM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367705

@gate

I use an external drive just for testing; that doesn't affect your working installation.

well you just gave me an Idea , Lets assume that the activation file is the same , should actually be so it would mean having two versions running, then remove the activation data generated from Poser 11.2 that in theory would deactivate both as there will be only one at the same Place , then reactivate Poser 11.1 " e voila " a permanent activation for both in one... this might work out unless that an error would occur and only one activation could run at once , this would be baad as activating more then 3 times the 11.2 version would cause a message that you activated it to many times !! this case would cause a pretty baad issue with bondware as I would insist for my right using my Licence.

Perhaps I haven't made the idea clear. The external 'testing' drive is a clone of tne Macs internal drive.

So if you do the same and clone your main drive to an external and then start up from the external drive you can install Poser 11.2 on that, replacing the existing Poser on that drive alone and not affecting your main drive. Then you can run Poser 11.2 and test everything out without messing up the main drive.

A_Sunbeam posted at 2:15PM Mon, 21 October 2019 - #4367758

gate posted at 8:04AM Mon, 21 October 2019 - #4367711

A_Sunbeam posted at 4:29PM Sun, 20 October 2019 - #4367705

@gate

I use an external drive just for testing; that doesn't affect your working installation.

well you just gave me an Idea , Lets assume that the activation file is the same , should actually be so it would mean having two versions running, then remove the activation data generated from Poser 11.2 that in theory would deactivate both as there will be only one at the same Place , then reactivate Poser 11.1 " e voila " a permanent activation for both in one... this might work out unless that an error would occur and only one activation could run at once , this would be baad as activating more then 3 times the 11.2 version would cause a message that you activated it to many times !! this case would cause a pretty baad issue with bondware as I would insist for my right using my Licence.

Perhaps I haven't made the idea clear. The external 'testing' drive is a clone of tne Macs internal drive.

So if you do the same and clone your main drive to an external and then start up from the external drive you can install Poser 11.2 on that, replacing the existing Poser on that drive alone and not affecting your main drive. Then you can run Poser 11.2 and test everything out without messing up the main drive.

Ok that would mean on Windows to make a secondary boot drive for example with "Paragon" then boot from the secondary Drive , ok this would sure not affect the main system. but allot of work again... it is already known that there will be some issues especially with Py's so actually there is no Updates on Poser 11.2 that would be a reason to really have it ....

I made some other tests with Poser 11.1 and it seems that I managed to have it Permanent activated no more call home as far as I can tell ( Best solution ) So I am on the good side until Poser 12 is released before that I'll not be changing anything to much risc with all these Updates that do not even have Information and force a Full install ( It is like buying a Cat in a Bag )

Naturally it now will show on how many Users loose interest , as far as I can tell it went down by 70% on my side since Bondware took over that sure means that either Customers are upset, or do not want to take any risc of further investments , or just jump Ship ..... but really it does not look very good . ( I Hope that it is not a Permanent Issue ) ----> That new Strict Bond-Ware Licence seems to be a real Poser Killer <----

I do not understand the strategy, as Bond-ware depends more on the Models sold then on the software , there are allot of Honest users out there , there is no need for such a activation process and even if one would use a Hacked version he would buy Poser models to fill he's library ( Unless Bondware share the same bed with Daz and want to kill off Poser ) < ----- It already went this way with RDNA ( Buy and Kill )

Bondware can not sell Poser to users that potentially buy models, if Creators STOPP creating models for it. If Creators drop down as it already happen then users will not get Poser , if users don't get Poser then why should there be creators making models for sale ?

Bondware better think it over well ( And Fast ) as every user that turns the back on you is a big Loss !

We will do an extended license/activation for any who need it. You just submit a ticket to the support site HERE You do need to be online to register the software, and THEN we can extend that activation.

And in most cases people who steal/hack software are not going to buy content either. They would get it the same way they got the software.

jennblake posted at 5:55PM Mon, 21 October 2019 - #4367781

We will do an extended license/activation for any who need it. You just submit a ticket to the support site [HERE}(https://support.posersoftware.com) You do need to be online to register the software, and THEN we can extend that activation.

And in most cases people who steal/hack software are not going to buy content either. They would get it the same way they got the software.

Actually it is not preventable that a Programm gets hacked ( They even hack Windows ) My Point is that there should be a solution that prevents People turning the back on Poser ... I already said that just La Femme will not do it , you will need good creators that can make concurrence to what Daz is offering ( and you know as well as I do that these Creators were Poser Creators ) Either you will need to get em back or motivate Young Flesh to fill your 1st store Page with stuff that catches an eye ! Poser has a amazing Potential for a Creator so you better make it Interesting ... give a little sugar.

You should Learn from mistakes other did ( SM started having issues because of that Licence Activator ) you make it even more strict ! Daz Learned from he's mistakes and from one day to the other he made it free ( That was the Key to almost kill Poser )

You made an Investment , your Investment is to get a piece of a 3D Market , so use it , but use it to get 3D stuff out and not to get just control and Power on a Application. If you make Poser Interesting you will make a fortune with Creators that make great stuff for it , but not by just ending up being Daz Puppie filling your frontage with DS stuff. I do not think that this would be your objective now that you are in Posession of Poser

Boy this really looks Impressive Goodnight Claire

jennblake posted at 9:58AM Mon, 21 October 2019 - #4367781

We will do an extended license/activation for any who need it. You just submit a ticket to the support site HERE You do need to be online to register the software, and THEN we can extend that activation.

And in most cases people who steal/hack software are not going to buy content either. They would get it the same way they got the software.

That's true. If they are going to steal/hack software then they will do the same with content as well. Even worse they will host their theft on a download site and get paid for the fruits of someone else's labor. Almost impossible to stop except by going after the download host. I believe they would rather remove the copyright infringement material then risk losing thousands in a civil suit or being shut down all together for a while.

Does Poser need to connect to it's owner server after the initial registration of a legal copy? Soon enough all copies will have to come here to get registered. Bondware will have the proper serial numbers stored in it's database for updates so that any hacked copy can't update (easily). Some of my friends don't always have an internet connection. You know life's timing. If Poser needs to connect to the home servers, it will happen at the one time when a connection isn't possible.

jennblake posted at 9:29PM Mon, 21 October 2019 - #4367781

We will do an extended license/activation for any who need it. You just submit a ticket to the support site [HERE}(https://support.posersoftware.com) You do need to be online to register the software, and THEN we can extend that activation.

And in most cases people who steal/hack software are not going to buy content either. They would get it the same way they got the software.

Only extended, and not perpetual? Will it be continued when a new version come out, or will you only allow the latest versions to be active? If Bondware folds, everything will stop working, like we see with the SM products?

No thanks. If this is the direction Bondware is taking, I am done with Poser.

@quietrob. the computer has to be on the internet to reach the bondware server just to install/register. Then we do the extended license. Just the one time until that expires..then it would need to get on the net once more..update the registration and then we would extend it again.

@DreaminGirl - the sale is only affecting Poser 11, Poser Pro 11 and Poser Pro 2014 Game Dev version (only) and nothing is "folding up" as we created a new server to continue to service those versions. I can tell you we have NO intentions of selling or not supporting the software for a very long time. Nothing is ever 100%. BUT we are putting lots of DEV power behind working on it and creating the next version AND more figures coming. So there's no reason to not continue Poser. We are completely devoted to continuing it for a long time.

I Believe that the main issue could raise that a customer starts evaluating hes Investments. I would estimate that a Passionate Poser user would spend over 10'000 $ for models and extentions for just Poser ( And that might just be the minimum over time ) but now you are just placing the fear into there back-head ...." What happens it it shuts down " well it is clear ----> you cant use Poser any longer you can as well format your Runtime library to gain new space on your drive ! woow you then just trashed over 10'000 $ .

Morally it is unacceptable that one could loose all hes Investments in such a case. " Only the thought is a disaster " Daz users do not have to worry about such a scenario ! A Poser customer is in most cases a Passionate collector of 3D for He's dreams sometimes they do not even use or open what they have bought " Driven by a Dream of good Promo Images " It is that they just also whant to be able to make that Render one day , it is sort of like a collector of Paintings.

But you Bondware are just about to destroy this dream as the Collector fears the Fire that could burn down the whole collection , just with a little code and with the words " If you do not come to us you would lose everything " That reminds me of the Political situation the have in Turkey with Erdogan "

You Bondware are most-probably just generating new Pirates as your act could be considered to steal customers money and these customers would do anything to protect there little 3D treasures they bought throughout the years.

What is the biggest fear of a Poser Collector ? It is a Hd Crash . so what will he do ? He buys a 400$ worth hd to back it up. so what will you think he does to protect it against a Kill switch ??

I think there are allot of Points you have not considered when you started to make that unwritten licence more strict as you do not even make the Customer aware of the consequences.

jennblake posted at 12:12AM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367858

@quietrob. the computer has to be on the internet to reach the bondware server just to install/register. Then we do the extended license. Just the one time until that expires..then it would need to get on the net once more..update the registration and then we would extend it again.

@DreaminGirl - the sale is only affecting Poser 11, Poser Pro 11 and Poser Pro 2014 Game Dev version (only) and nothing is "folding up" as we created a new server to continue to service those versions. I can tell you we have NO intentions of selling or not supporting the software for a very long time. Nothing is ever 100%. BUT we are putting lots of DEV power behind working on it and creating the next version AND more figures coming. So there's no reason to not continue Poser. We are completely devoted to continuing it for a long time.

This is not at all convincing " A collector thinks in long terms " He wants to be certain that he can keep what he has collected until he is buried under the earth. So you might have to convince him that it will , and for sure that he does not depend on you ! You say that you plan to support the software for a very long time , but well nothing is 100%! This is not in long terms! As you only Plan , believe me this way you will never convince a Investor LOL.

To convince the Collector you would have to say " Even if we are down or do not support Poser any longer you will be able to use it with your whole collection " as long as the Program works on your Win or mac version .. this would throw the Ball to Win or Mac. But you will ensure the Customer that he doesn't not have to fear any Loss !

Your activation is case sensible at this Point and you do not seem to do your best to either convince or ensure the customer " Politicians also use these words all the time " We Plan and we will give more and People are getting sick of these terms turning out to be Lies !

jennblake posted at 6:57AM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367858

@quietrob. the computer has to be on the internet to reach the bondware server just to install/register. Then we do the extended license. Just the one time until that expires..then it would need to get on the net once more..update the registration and then we would extend it again.

@DreaminGirl - the sale is only affecting Poser 11, Poser Pro 11 and Poser Pro 2014 Game Dev version (only) and nothing is "folding up" as we created a new server to continue to service those versions. I can tell you we have NO intentions of selling or not supporting the software for a very long time. Nothing is ever 100%. BUT we are putting lots of DEV power behind working on it and creating the next version AND more figures coming. So there's no reason to not continue Poser. We are completely devoted to continuing it for a long time.

You are completely missing the point.

As long as the license is not perpetual, you are effectively keeping it ransom. I refuse to pay for ransomware, especially when there are free alternatives.

gate posted at 10:28PM Mon, 21 October 2019 - #4367875

jennblake posted at 12:12AM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367858

@quietrob. the computer has to be on the internet to reach the bondware server just to install/register. Then we do the extended license. Just the one time until that expires..then it would need to get on the net once more..update the registration and then we would extend it again.

@DreaminGirl - the sale is only affecting Poser 11, Poser Pro 11 and Poser Pro 2014 Game Dev version (only) and nothing is "folding up" as we created a new server to continue to service those versions. I can tell you we have NO intentions of selling or not supporting the software for a very long time. Nothing is ever 100%. BUT we are putting lots of DEV power behind working on it and creating the next version AND more figures coming. So there's no reason to not continue Poser. We are completely devoted to continuing it for a long time.

This is not at all convincing " A collector thinks in long terms " He wants to be certain that he can keep what he has collected until he is buried under the earth. So you might have to convince him that it will , and for sure that he does not depend on you ! You say that you plan to support the software for a very long time , but well nothing is 100%! This is not in long terms! As you only Plan , believe me this way you will never convince a Investor LOL.

To convince the Collector you would have to say " Even if we are down or do not support Poser any longer you will be able to use it with your whole collection " as long as the Program works on your Win or mac version .. this would throw the Ball to Win or Mac. But you will ensure the Customer that he doesn't not have to fear any Loss !

Your activation is case sensible at this Point and you do not seem to do your best to either convince or ensure the customer " Politicians also use these words all the time " We Plan and we will give more and People are getting sick of these terms turning out to be Lies !

@Gate - It's an open forum. Sometimes it's the wild west. The mods let a lot of things go. I am not a mod.

I don't have to let anything go.

First, I've known and dealt with Jenn and Boni for years. Jenn and Renderosity have never let me down. If anyone has earned my trust, they have. They aren't politicians. They are people like you and me. They do their best and for you to say "People are getting sick of these terms turning out to be lies is just wrong." It's like calling them liars and that is just wrong too. Renderosity has owned Poser for FOUR months and a day. They have a lot to turn around and the last thing I would do is reveal everything because people would second guess, backseat drive or however you want to put it. Just like you are doing now. You want more features, start a thread and state them. That's fair. I will guess and say English isn't your first language so perhaps it's coming out wrong but you need to be fair.

Second, you have no idea what people use Poser for. Some use it as a basis for comics, some use it in advertising, others for animation, others want to create models and see them come to life. For some, it's their bread and butter Don't lump us together. The only thing you can be certain of is that we all use Poser and are passionate about it. I've read your posts, you seem pretty intelligent. But you know Jenn is right is stating that nothing is 100%. Ask RDNA, Poserworld Poser Pro's (The original) or DAZ. You've been using Poser long enough to remember when Poser was Daz's business. It's not like that anymore. With any luck and a little love, Poser and Rendo should be around longer than you and me. If that's not enough, consider this.

I don't think Renderosity bought Poser with the intention of seeing it fail. Give them a chance. I am. And I am in the same exact boat you are.

As I said I trust Jenn, Boni and the rest of the Rendo Staff to do their best.

I have many apps that, after the intial registration, never needed to 'ring home'. They are still alive and kicking on my older Macs (1997 and 2005). Other apps that did need to ring home, or are now subscription only, no longer work, and have been replaced by others.

All posters here require is for their Poser to continue to run even if Bondware disappears.

@ quietrob I do not intend to attack the ones who are not directly in charge with this activation system , I am well aware that People use Poser for there own Purpose and some for there daily Bread ... It is the ones that actually could suffer even more as they would depend on it , these sure have to give allot of trust to this story as it could damage there existence !

See it is not good to worry or getting under Pressure , it pushes Productivity way down , even on my side . There are allot of silent people out there that just got shocked and look right-away for alternatives ! My Personal intention is as long as Poser will depend on calling back home even if it is once in a year I would be out , so as long as it lasts I will be using Poser Pro 2014 and the 11.1 ! the way it seems to be now Bondware does not intend to remove the feature and probably continue using it in Poser 12.

Sure I can see that People try to help in here ( As loong as they can ) and bond-ware should be thankful for it, They should also be thankful as the earnings to get Poser came from the 50% that Creators gave up for the store rent. I might not be able to Influence things with my thought and I am aware that this is a Public forum , it is why I am using it then there might be someone who can understand the consequences, not to fallow there intentions like a sheep and might convince them that this Call home feature is a high risc to loose it all.

I also started to check for alternatives that would not cause to loose works done over the last decades , I even think that you lost Reality , as it got doped the moment it realized that it has lost compatibility with poser. I am experiencing a incredible dropdown on Interests for Poser models , this all does not come from nothing ! Even I will not be able to motivate Artists any further with extraordinary Poser models if they do not use Poser any longer , it will just end up as a great Eye catcher nothing else. And I do not do it for a Living I do it because I believe in the Potential of this Program ! Now I just start to doubt when i see the results , all just because some Idiots have a Power and control complex Keeping that Stupid call home feature making it even more strict ....

An other thread just gave me an idea !!

I guess that Poser 2014 Pro should be also in Possession of Bondware !? Bondware made a testing Feature of about 1 month on Poser 11 so that newcomers could test before they buy. So it might be a good thing to release Poser 2014 as Freeware as it is in any case going to end up as Dust Catcher somewhere on a Hard drive. This Idea would most-probably motivate new users to start off with Poser and they might want to Update to have the latest versions. You would keep alive at least the older version and you do not need to support it . It would be freeware People would be able to see a close op to what Poser 11 offers. No time limmit no forcing to buy !!

Ok you might now find some excuses that it is not possible ( would not even wonder ) but why letting a good application just die if it could bring in a good purpose! as for removing the 11.2 Call home I still insist that it would be a good and better move.

Would be interesting to hear what People think about this Idea ( It is not a Provocation )

gate posted at 12:52PM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367930

@ quietrob I do not intend to attack the ones who are not directly in charge with this activation system , I am well aware that People use Poser for there own Purpose and some for there daily Bread ... It is the ones that actually could suffer even more as they would depend on it , these sure have to give allot of trust to this story as it could damage there existence !

See it is not good to worry or getting under Pressure , it pushes Productivity way down , even on my side . There are allot of silent people out there that just got shocked and look right-away for alternatives ! My Personal intention is as long as Poser will depend on calling back home even if it is once in a year I would be out , so as long as it lasts I will be using Poser Pro 2014 and the 11.1 ! the way it seems to be now Bondware does not intend to remove the feature and probably continue using it in Poser 12.

Sure I can see that People try to help in here ( As loong as they can ) and bond-ware should be thankful for it, They should also be thankful as the earnings to get Poser came from the 50% that Creators gave up for the store rent. I might not be able to Influence things with my thought and I am aware that this is a Public forum , it is why I am using it then there might be someone who can understand the consequences, not to fallow there intentions like a sheep and might convince them that this Call home feature is a high risc to loose it all.

I also started to check for alternatives that would not cause to loose works done over the last decades , I even think that you lost Reality , as it got doped the moment it realized that it has lost compatibility with poser. I am experiencing a incredible dropdown on Interests for Poser models , this all does not come from nothing ! Even I will not be able to motivate Artists any further with extraordinary Poser models if they do not use Poser any longer , it will just end up as a great Eye catcher nothing else. And I do not do it for a Living I do it because I believe in the Potential of this Program ! Now I just start to doubt when i see the results , all just because some Idiots have a Power and control complex Keeping that Stupid call home feature making it even more strict ....

While I understand where you are coming from I do have a different view point. For a start I doubt too many Poser users have ever felt secure in the future of Poser considering the Doom Sayers have been predicting it's demise ever since I started using Poser and that was over 20 years ago. I did have concerns when buying Poser 11 as I disliked the phone home feature but it was at a stunning sale price even so I was well aware of the issues I might have if SM sold it. The fact that Bondware purchased it was actually a relief to me as it was better than what I expected.

I take your point on Reality but is it a major loss, Superfly decreases the need for it and, despite needing some tweaks is generally needs less playing with to get a decent render. If you are serious and have some free cash there is also Octane which I suspect would wipe the floor with both Reality and Superfly on a fair number of renders.

Finally, do I trust Rendo/Bondware? Well some that know me well and have read my posts in the past may well be surprised to find the answer, so far at least is, yes. I think they have done a great job in the short time they have been owners and I am certain Poser has a better future with them than SM.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

gate posted at 1:05PM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367938

An other thread just gave me an idea !!

I guess that Poser 2014 Pro should be also in Possession of Bondware !? Bondware made a testing Feature of about 1 month on Poser 11 so that newcomers could test before they buy. So it might be a good thing to release Poser 2014 as Freeware as it is in any case going to end up as Dust Catcher somewhere on a Hard drive. This Idea would most-probably motivate new users to start off with Poser and they might want to Update to have the latest versions. You would keep alive at least the older version and you do not need to support it . It would be freeware People would be able to see a close op to what Poser 11 offers. No time limmit no forcing to buy !!

Ok you might now find some excuses that it is not possible ( would not even wonder ) but why letting a good application just die if it could bring in a good purpose! as for removing the 11.2 Call home I still insist that it would be a good and better move.

Would be interesting to hear what People think about this Idea ( It is not a Provocation )

I think this might well be a good idea but Rendo might think that a time limited trial of the new Poser 11.2 might be a better way to gain new users. What I am very sure of is that people would still complain, either free is unfair on the users have paid for Pose, that they did not like the changes when they upgraded or if they can give away free copies of 2014 Pro why not Game Dev are just a few of the complaints I would expect to see but am sure when people get into the forums they will think of many more.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

gate posted at 8:26AM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367938

An other thread just gave me an idea !!

I guess that Poser 2014 Pro should be also in Possession of Bondware !? Bondware made a testing Feature of about 1 month on Poser 11 so that newcomers could test before they buy. So it might be a good thing to release Poser 2014 as Freeware as it is in any case going to end up as Dust Catcher somewhere on a Hard drive. This Idea would most-probably motivate new users to start off with Poser and they might want to Update to have the latest versions. You would keep alive at least the older version and you do not need to support it . It would be freeware People would be able to see a close op to what Poser 11 offers. No time limmit no forcing to buy !!

Ok you might now find some excuses that it is not possible ( would not even wonder ) but why letting a good application just die if it could bring in a good purpose! as for removing the 11.2 Call home I still insist that it would be a good and better move.

Would be interesting to hear what People think about this Idea ( It is not a Provocation )

Yeah, I don't believe that for a second.

@hornet3d ... I thought of Poser 2014 as it would not be allot of work to set it up like game Dew that has the built in activation feature , normally People do not moan that much if they get such a free Application, about the ones who Paid I did to and it was worth it so I would think that there would not be any reason to moan about. If like you say Poser should have a great future at Bondware this would just give a little helping hand ( People actually like new features )

Also in the other hand it would sure get one thing away that is being shared on Clouds might make feel some a little more honest. It is buried anyway so in one hand they could not complain that it is on Clouds in the other it could be made all legal and not just tagged Red " Never to be used again "

@ EClark1894 , I also do not really believe in it, but who knows , there might be a Owner that has a strategic mind and could understand the point ! Daz has a very strategic one and it sure working out well ( they could learn a little from them ) Even if I do not really like them I can say Respect in how they get it handled , even if Poser is way more powerful they get the creators on there side.

gate posted at 2:58PM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367951

@hornet3d ... I thought of Poser 2014 as it would not be allot of work to set it up like game Dew that has the built in activation feature , normally People do not moan that much if they get such a free Application, about the ones who Paid I did to and it was worth it so I would think that there would not be any reason to moan about. If like you say Poser should have a great future at Bondware this would just give a little helping hand ( People actually like new features )

Also in the other hand it would sure get one thing away that is being shared on Clouds might make feel some a little more honest. It is buried anyway so in one hand they could not complain that it is on Clouds in the other it could be made all legal and not just tagged Red " Never to be used again "

Point taken but after the said twenty years working with Poser and either participating in or lurking in a number of Poser forums, history suggests that I am on firm ground when I suggest that there would still be complaints.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.

I think Renderosity hears you loud and clear. Like DreaminGirl said, an extended license is not a perpetual license. I think it should be perpetual as well. Gate is right on some things too. Getting the top creators and inspiring new ones to create for Poser is a good idea. It would be a feather in Renderosity's cap if they could get Summoner to create for them exclusively. Like many of my favorites, He is just top notch and unlike many of my favorites, he hasn't left us for DS. I look forward to the day when I click on "New Poser Products and I see only New Poser Products, and not start my day off by seeing four ads for DAZ Stuff (That looks pretty good by the way). Hornet, that is a good reminder. I've heard of Poser's demise and seen a thread at SM I think that asked if Poser is a dead product. It's still here, alive and well and with a new edition due to come out probably next year.

Gate, thanks for taking my defense of Jill and Boni and the rest of the Renderosity staff the right way. It's our right to complain, it's good to make suggestions but it shouldn't be personal or sound personal. It's also best to stay positive. Being positive is literally good for you and it's contagious.

While I disagree with a lot of things said, I'd dearly and passionately love if the 'New Home for Poser' sign would finally bloody go up on the Rendo site. I mean, how would people even know? And spot on about the DAZ-centric ads (yes I get that those vendors pay more for it, but can a POSER page not have ads for products they cannot use, please? )

I got all the emails and notifications and my computer with Poser on it was always connected to the 'net because I don't have the privilege of multiple computers, so the activation issue was not an issue for me. I also am a strict user, not a creator--I suspect a great majority of silent Poser users fall into this category--we lurk, and we sometimes are taken aback at the vehemence and arguments on these forums. All we want is a working Poser with a site/owner that cares, is responsive/communicative and provides the support and content artists need to create. As Renderosity had Poser for four months only, I am eager to see where this journey goes and am willing to cut quite a lot of slack based on how it went up till now. Let's trust that this team listens, and let's assume we're not all-knowing about what's going on behind the scenes and that there is positive intent here. Assuming positive intent is a key to a happier life, anyway. :)

"It would be a feather in Renderosity's cap if they could get Summoner to create for them exclusively. Like many of my favorites, He is just top notch and unlike many of my favorites, he hasn't left us for DS"

Question be if he be a'willin' to pay de $10 for de name change so we all know it be under Summoner stead of Gate.

@ quietrob & sloan

would be a really baad idea having me here , Big time trouble maker so better leave me where I am , And Bondware can't for sure use more Drama. I just do my thing as loong as I am convinced it is the right one. It actually does not matter from where the motivation would come that Poser can offer great things and I as a Artist would just be a Drop on a Hot Stone .

I am sure still convinced about Poser ( Not about the owners, or not jet ) and this is the main reason why I am shouting out loud , I do not have bad intentions as I just want to use it and really hope that others also will in the future. And yes there were many great Artists and Creators that changed sides ( A Huge list ) well easy to find , just scroll the Daz Creators LOL . It already would be a big step to just having them making Models compatible in both way's , but as I said there has to be made some sacrifice to get at this Point.

sloan posted at 1:08PM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367976

"It would be a feather in Renderosity's cap if they could get Summoner to create for them exclusively. Like many of my favorites, He is just top notch and unlike many of my favorites, he hasn't left us for DS"

Question be if he be a'willin' to pay de $10 for de name change so we all know it be under Summoner stead of Gate.

He would also have to stop ripping game models and calling them "fan art" so the game folks wouldn't shut down Rendo over copyright violations.

@Glitterati3D exactly there it already starts again so better keep me faar away from here , and oh I could also be your worst Nightmare a real bad ass Pirate LOL who knows! so better watch your store Items .... see Glitterati your way is not very Productive if one is trying to give some suggestions to make something better . But I will for now ignore your frustration no being the middle Point .

You might have to bring some Productive Ideas and not just think that La Femme will save Poser or that you might be the Messiah on the round table to bring some light into it! And if it were as easy as you say , anyone would do and there would not be any need of a store like Rendo . If you want a challenge well here I am ... but as I said before the point is actually "not me" but how it could be done better for you as you depend more then I do on Poser .

And stopp Licking Ass this will not bring any good results

@Glitterati3D But now that you are here I naturally wonder that you think ( In a Rhetoric Way ) about the proposals made , you might have some same Opinions and if not you might be able to give a Productive argument and a great solution to make Poser really big .. Lets assume for a moment that you are the owner of Poser , what would you do ?

Wow; well, this is why I eventually always go back to lurking.

gate posted at 2:16PM Tue, 22 October 2019 - #4367991

...And stopp Licking Ass this will not bring any good results

@Rhia Please continue to help us. Don't let something negative stop you from doing something positive.

@Glitterati3D Your help is always welcome.

@Gate You make incredible models. There is one I want to purchase but you never answered your site mail. I am gone from this thread. The thread is yours.

Well no answer is also an answer ! anyway ....

I guess that the only thing that can be done is to wait and Hope. Poser 11.1 seemed to work stable and now allot of new issues appear , if new or old does not really matter important that it is getting handled , as from my side like I said I hang on the Older version until a fair Licencing method will be released , It does not affect the modeling at all. people seem to be used to, to be controlled all the time , it is there choice to let it happen ( But sure will not be mine ) I Love Freedom and not really want to live in a Police State, but like said most people have to be controlled and feel better that way.

Ok I know this does not really fit into this thread " Just to lazy to create a new one " I launched a Screenshot of my Halloween project before so I can as well leave the comment in here that the Mr.Vulture has been released and might get free Public on Halloween day . it was quiet a challenge to get it done especially getting the 125 bones right and smooth, a very high poly mesh 20 meg of geometry V4 has 8 meg. I almost dropped it as I am touched about this whole situation , but then , well I should not stop just because I have a different aspect then others. and I mean It really would be a Loss if Poser would loose there Users collectors as well the few Creators that are left.

I can not give you my site link as I am not allowed to .. but I'm sure you will find it if you really want! It is free if you get the Password "for now" ! I made it to support Poser in a great way and to show what Power Poser really has to offer.

Renders are made in Poser 11.2 Firefly 10 seconds No Post-work on the Images

Little correction :

Renders are made in Poser 11.1 Firefly 10 seconds No Post-work on the Images

Summoner's site is listed in the Poser Content Directory under "Online Stores", "Vendor Owned".

Splendid vulture.

A_Sunbeam posted at 7:49PM Thu, 24 October 2019 - #4368174

Splendid vulture.

Indeed! Looking forward to it.

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EClark1894 posted at 1:53PM Sat, 26 October 2019 - #4368155

Summoner's site is listed in the Poser Content Directory under "Online Stores", "Vendor Owned".

Thank you for mentioning my Site .... really Cool ....

I am trying to launch another few neat Freebies before Halloween ... and actually already did so besides the Vulture I got another 3 out and about to launch the forth! It did not really affect the drop down of Interests since Bondware took over Poser, so I hope things will get better again by it self , and Bondware just ain't giving a Dam about the Worries of Users ( Understandable as they Have mainly DS stuff that ensures there Income ) so who cares about the minority of Poser users ....

gate posted at 7:41PM Sat, 26 October 2019 - #4368362

I am trying to launch another few neat Freebies before Halloween ... and actually already did so besides the Vulture I got another 3 out and about to launch the forth! It did not really affect the drop down of Interests since Bondware took over Poser, so I hope things will get better again by it self , and Bondware just ain't giving a Dam about the Worries of Users ( Understandable as they Have mainly DS stuff that ensures there Income ) so who cares about the minority of Poser users ....

Just give them time to sort things out. Sit down. Count slowly to twelve (or more); and then wait a while.

It will, as we say, "all come out in the wash"....

@ A_Sunbeam

Jup well sure not easy , many mistakes , Lack of Information , loss of features this sure is a good reason to be preoccupied. But well if it ends up like "Caligari trueSpace" then all is good .... Microsoft acquires and out it is as freeware to motivate future Artists in 3D LOL.True Space is actually still a great program.