I went away for - well, a few years as it happened. I released the occasional static prop, but that was all.

This year, I came back to Poser, with the intention of concentrating on male clothing. But everything's changed. It seems as though Poser people haven't progressed past G2, and, worse, the majority of new product - and, when you search the Marketplace, the majority of best-selling product - is for DS. The forums here seem to be quiet, and sales of the couple of new products I've released have been very weak even by my modest former standard. Several of the great creators I remember have migrated to DAZ - the shop, as well as the software -, and Poser has, from what I can see, just a handful of busy cheerleaders.

The obvious thing is to learn DS, and that's what I've started to do. But I'm also making ready clothing for M4 - the best figure, as far as I can tell, fully compatible with both programs - and for L'Homme (thanks to Nephanor, as tester, for pointing out a couple of things I'd never had to deal with before). L'Homme clearly requires a commitment to Poser exclusively, so the risk there is greatest.

The thing is, I love Poser. It's easy to use, I feel that I understand everything I need to, there's a universe of content (and still room for more), it renders in sensible time... I've been building my base meshes for clothing for M4 and for L'Homme side-by-side, and I find that I like the L'Homme mesh more than I did at first glance. I really would like the figure to take off, and for Poser to come back to life under its new owners.

And that's it, really. I just wanted to air those thoughts.

I see some "godly" armor making a come back maybe perhaps please?

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Just some random thoughts here ....

Since you are just getting back into Poser, and want to do some clothes for M4, that might be the place to start, since M4 is not a weight-mapped figure. You can still rig stuff for him the "old way" without getting into the weight mapping tools. Old style rigging still works in both DS and Poser.

However, the La Femme and L'Homme figures are weight mapped, and the weight mapping in Poser is different than the weight mapping in DS. So if you want to do outfits for L'Homme they will probably be Poser only.

Rendo is working on Poser 12 right now, and hopefully they will address a lot of things in the process. So hang tight, start by working with what you know and then grow into the "new" stuff. 8-)

Good luck.

Sounds like a plan. M4 stuff is probably still in high demand. There seems to be an interest in L'Homme stuff.

I've been working on La Femme quite a bit, there's things I like about the figure more than V4 from a morphing stand point and there's things that I don't like. I could elaborate at length but nah. Critiques of La Femme and L'Homme are scarce. I think most people that don't like the figures have been silent just because, well, if you can't say something nice ( silence ) and things have been ugly in the past with new figure bashing. In general there's a feeling that Poserdom is circling it's wagons.

As far as products? There's some nice stuff, seems like a lot less. Genesis definitely gets the lions share. I'll be blunt and say that a lot of the things I'm seeing for LF LH are plain butt ugly. Baked in specular, ugly morphs, but I'll zip it up because why bother with trash talking... I think it's just growing pains as a new wave of artists comes of age with a new figure. And a relaxing of talent standards simply because all the talent has gone elsewhere. What really concerns me is that LF and LH are just like all the rest of the Poser flagship figures, no longevity. Time will tell. As a Poser user who likes to tinker more than render I'm not overly concerned, I'm sure the software will be around for a while more. Even if development were to cease tomorrow there would still be a legion of diehard users for years to come. Take Carrara, Bryce, and Hexagon as examples.

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Think I might pick up those socks you made LOL

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I would extremely, very much, exceptionally, be happy to see some M4 clothing, especially historical ones. I unfortunately have to second the lack of quality control for recent Poser products, I buy way less of the current products then old stuff from my wishlist.

I, personally would be interested in stuff for male figures. M4 or L'Homme. Though I'm more interested in fantasy/SF/historical than contemporary. I have your socks on my wishlist. They look very well made, but socks aren't things I'm likely to need any time soon, so they're more a "just in case" kind of thing for me.

(Weirdly, the socks don't show in your store for me. I do see them when I look for new Poser products. The way the store search works here is really buggy. I often find myself using Google instead.)

Though I suspect if you really want to make sales, doing female stuff would be more profitable. As always in the Poserverse.

I'm still buying stuff for V4 and M4. I still use them, and don't expect that to change unless a LOT more stuff comes out for LF and LH (or Dawn and Dusk). Especially the kind of face morphs that exist for V4 and M4.

I'd love to see an M4 retro suit, something in the late 40s/early 50s range. You know, baggy jacket, double-breasted, wide lapels, flashy short tie, baggy pants, suspenders, fedora, cigarette accessory. I'd love to see it for L'Homme and Dusk, as well, but I can always use Crossdresser to adapt to another figure.

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I just bought the "Zoot Suit" from the RMP when it was on sale for $3.50 for Prime Members. Not bad, but suits are difficult in Poser. I wonder if the baggy pants might be better done as dynamic clothing.

dlfurman posted at 5:01PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393326

I see some "godly" armor making a come back maybe perhaps please?

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I'm amazed that anyone remembers those! Thank you.

Deecey posted at 5:02PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393327

Just some random thoughts here ....

Since you are just getting back into Poser, and want to do some clothes for M4, that might be the place to start, since M4 is not a weight-mapped figure. You can still rig stuff for him the "old way" without getting into the weight mapping tools. Old style rigging still works in both DS and Poser.

However, the La Femme and L'Homme figures are weight mapped, and the weight mapping in Poser is different than the weight mapping in DS. So if you want to do outfits for L'Homme they will probably be Poser only.

Rendo is working on Poser 12 right now, and hopefully they will address a lot of things in the process. So hang tight, start by working with what you know and then grow into the "new" stuff. 8-)

Good luck.

My thinking's pretty much the same. I think the weight-mapping is transferring well enough from L'Homme, but I'm still testing it.

Thanks.

EldritchCellar posted at 5:05PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393329

Sounds like a plan. M4 stuff is probably still in high demand. There seems to be an interest in L'Homme stuff.

I've been working on La Femme quite a bit, there's things I like about the figure more than V4 from a morphing stand point and there's things that I don't like. I could elaborate at length but nah. Critiques of La Femme and L'Homme are scarce. I think most people that don't like the figures have been silent just because, well, if you can't say something nice ( silence ) and things have been ugly in the past with new figure bashing. In general there's a feeling that Poserdom is circling it's wagons.

As far as products? There's some nice stuff, seems like a lot less. Genesis definitely gets the lions share. I'll be blunt and say that a lot of the things I'm seeing for LF LH are plain butt ugly. Baked in specular, ugly morphs, but I'll zip it up because why bother with trash talking... I think it's just growing pains as a new wave of artists comes of age with a new figure. And a relaxing of talent standards simply because all the talent has gone elsewhere. What really concerns me is that LF and LH are just like all the rest of the Poser flagship figures, no longevity. Time will tell. As a Poser user who likes to tinker more than render I'm not overly concerned, I'm sure the software will be around for a while more. Even if development were to cease tomorrow there would still be a legion of diehard users for years to come. Take Carrara, Bryce, and Hexagon as examples.

All very wise, I think.

I know what you mean about the temporariness of the Poser people. I thought Simon was great...

EldritchCellar posted at 5:07PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393330

Think I might pick up those socks you made LOL

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Rhia474 posted at 5:07PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393332

I would extremely, very much, exceptionally, be happy to see some M4 clothing, especially historical ones. I unfortunately have to second the lack of quality control for recent Poser products, I buy way less of the current products then old stuff from my wishlist.

Historical is very much my interest, although I'm starting with SF while I develop some technique. There is some interesting stuff about, but a lot of it is quite old, Poserworld and the like, and has the puffiness that everything had back then. Plus, what can be achieved now with higher resolutions and shaders...

randym77 posted at 5:11PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393333

I, personally would be interested in stuff for male figures. M4 or L'Homme. Though I'm more interested in fantasy/SF/historical than contemporary. I have your socks on my wishlist. They look very well made, but socks aren't things I'm likely to need any time soon, so they're more a "just in case" kind of thing for me.

(Weirdly, the socks don't show in your store for me. I do see them when I look for new Poser products. The way the store search works here is really buggy. I often find myself using Google instead.)

Though I suspect if you really want to make sales, doing female stuff would be more profitable. As always in the Poserverse.

I'm still buying stuff for V4 and M4. I still use them, and don't expect that to change unless a LOT more stuff comes out for LF and LH (or Dawn and Dusk). Especially the kind of face morphs that exist for V4 and M4.

I know exactly what you mean. Yes, historical's on the agenda.

I'm afraid I have no interest in modelling lingerie. In 3D, I mean. You know what I mean.

IanMPalmer posted at 5:16PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393343

VedaDalsette posted at 5:13PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393334

I'd love to see an M4 retro suit, something in the late 40s/early 50s range. You know, baggy jacket, double-breasted, wide lapels, flashy short tie, baggy pants, suspenders, fedora, cigarette accessory. I'd love to see it for L'Homme and Dusk, as well, but I can always use Crossdresser to adapt to another figure.

Definitely! I've got find a way to make jackets work, though. All these abdomen-hugging jackets and coats are no good, and dynamics have all kinds of issues for me. I'm wondering something a bit like the way conforming skirts are done, with the jacket rigged only down to the chest.

randym77 posted at 5:17PM Sun, 28 June 2020 - #4393336

I just bought the "Zoot Suit" from the RMP when it was on sale for $3.50 for Prime Members. Not bad, but suits are difficult in Poser. I wonder if the baggy pants might be better done as dynamic clothing.

Yes. I need a kind of hybrid solution. Thinking on it.

randym77, the Zoot Suit is nice but not the wide-boy, double-breasted look from the 40s/50s.

IanMPalmer, I don't model. I just buy the stuff! If you think making a jacket "skirtish" below the chest, well, that sounds good to me. Of course, I may be the only one interested in this type of clothing. It did NOT flatter men. Ha!

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The problem with making stuff for M4 is that you are competing with years of back catalog. As far as historical stuff is concerned I have civilian clothing for M4 from the 30s, regency, Victorian and medieval periods (and some cavemen outfits) As far as military clothing goes I've got WW2, Napoleonics, AWI, muskateers, Medieval, Vikings, Crusades, romans and Greeks. While l'Homme doesn't have the same customer base, it has no historical, Sci-fi or fantasy back catalog to compete.

Yes when you look at the best sellers you see mainly products for DAZ, but that is at least partly due to the fact there is much less new Poser content available. Also sales really have a great effect. If a product is released at full price I tend to add it to my wishlist and buy it if and when I need it, whereas if something starts of on sale I tend to buy it before the sale ends in case I'm going to need it (which is why my runtimes have more stuff in them than I'm likely to use in my lifetime)

One final point, personally I think hybrid clothing combines the worst of both worlds, the added complexity of dynamic clothing, with the problems of having to pose figures without the clothes, check the animation,, run the sim, redo if you later want to change the pose (which for me makes the widespread use of dynamic clothing in big action scenes impractical), together with the problems of conforming clothing, poke throughs and less realism.

I believe in general that most "ordinary" users prefer the ease of conforming clothing and the best selling lists seem to confirm this, but maybe that's just confirmation bias on my part

"Stuck at G2" - well it is more difficult to transfer G3 over to Poser, is main reason.

Externally-rigged FBX figures could be used but there is inertia among Poser users.

I rig my own figures generated from thrid-party apps, so I have to make my own clothes and what not for them.

No problem using Poser figures in general. Just need to move away from the usual genres: fantasy, dark, boudoir, such like.

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Nails60 posted at 1:16AM Mon, 29 June 2020 - #4393350

The problem with making stuff for M4 is that you are competing with years of back catalog. As far as historical stuff is concerned I have civilian clothing for M4 from the 30s, regency, Victorian and medieval periods (and some cavemen outfits) As far as military clothing goes I've got WW2, Napoleonics, AWI, muskateers, Medieval, Vikings, Crusades, romans and Greeks. While l'Homme doesn't have the same customer base, it has no historical, Sci-fi or fantasy back catalog to compete.

Yes when you look at the best sellers you see mainly products for DAZ, but that is at least partly due to the fact there is much less new Poser content available. Also sales really have a great effect. If a product is released at full price I tend to add it to my wishlist and buy it if and when I need it, whereas if something starts of on sale I tend to buy it before the sale ends in case I'm going to need it (which is why my runtimes have more stuff in them than I'm likely to use in my lifetime)

One final point, personally I think hybrid clothing combines the worst of both worlds, the added complexity of dynamic clothing, with the problems of having to pose figures without the clothes, check the animation,, run the sim, redo if you later want to change the pose (which for me makes the widespread use of dynamic clothing in big action scenes impractical), together with the problems of conforming clothing, poke throughs and less realism.

I believe in general that most "ordinary" users prefer the ease of conforming clothing and the best selling lists seem to confirm this, but maybe that's just confirmation bias on my part

I don't think I'd argue with most of that. Yes, DS heads sales because there's more of it new, but that would often be because it sells more: market forces.

I've got most of that M4 product, too. Some of it can be improved - if I can do that -, and some could do with more variety: a group in the 1930s wouldn't all wear the same suit in different colours. Take a historical setting, even one which uses almost-modern costume, as presented in film or TV - Deadwood, say: you'd struggle to populate it with the outfits available.

Yes, dynamic clothing's a nightmare. I don't enjoy trying to use it, and clothing is sometimes sold as dynamic which would work perfectly well conforming - perhaps just because it's easy for the vendor.

The majority of older product suffers from that same form-fittingness, like everything's extruded from a bodysuit. Just like when I make comics, and my aim is to make readers unsure whether they're even 3D, my ambition would be to make Poser clothes look like clothes. Which is not to say I'll achieve it, at all.

My biggest misgiving about LH is that if I wanted to make a scene requiring costumes I didn't have, I probably wouldn't go looking for them; I'd just use M4 instead.

I'll give it a go, though.

infinity10 posted at 1:31AM Mon, 29 June 2020 - #4393366

"Stuck at G2" - well it is more difficult to transfer G3 over to Poser, is main reason.

Externally-rigged FBX figures could be used but there is inertia among Poser users.

I rig my own figures generated from thrid-party apps, so I have to make my own clothes and what not for them.

No problem using Poser figures in general. Just need to move away from the usual genres: fantasy, dark, boudoir, such like.

I agree, so I'm pleased that so many of these replies have mentioned historical costume. They just need to be realistic.

Thanks for all the advice, everyone, but I may have hit a wall with this.

My first product, essentially a bodysuit and keeping things simple for learning purposes, was fine. The M4 version has been Wishlisted about four times as much as the l'homme, but they've sold nearly equally. My second product is separates for LH only, and it seems I'm not allowed to use the Hide Body Parts poses I did with the bodysuit. This means that I have to work with JCMs, and they're a nightmare. They're not created properly in the Fitting Room; they have to be re-worked with brushes, which are horribly imprecise and can't be used in extreme poses where body parts meet; and they don't even copy properly symmetrically, so that I have to work left and right limbs separately. And - let's be honest - the JCM bulges in some LH poses aren't realistic anyway. In some cases, I'm making the clothing item look wrong to cover where the underlying figure looks wrong.

I modelled, mapped, and rigged in the Fitting Room a working outfit for M4 yesterday in less time than I've spent today failing to get right just two of l'homme's dozen or so hip and thigh JCMs.

I can see the effort that some creators have put into l'homme, but I'm not sure it's worth it for me for a figure who, so far, remains niche at best. If the tools worked - if the rigging worked out of the box, or if there were transparent and precise controls for editing JCMs - it would be different; but if they do, I'm missing it.

Oh, you made those. I didn't make the connection when I saw the products in the RMP. I really like them. I'm one of those who has them wishlisted. Can't decide between the LH and M4 versions. They remind me of watching the old Flash Gordon serials with my dad (who saw them in theaters when he was a boy).

Sorry you're having so much trouble with L'Homme. Maybe someone here will have some tips.

randym77 posted at 2:17PM Fri, 24 July 2020 - #4395203

Oh, you made those. I didn't make the connection when I saw the products in the RMP. I really like them. I'm one of those who has them wishlisted. Can't decide between the LH and M4 versions. They remind me of watching the old Flash Gordon serials with my dad (who saw them in theaters when he was a boy).

Sorry you're having so much trouble with L'Homme. Maybe someone here will have some tips.

Thanks. Yes, Flash Gordon's exactly right. I'm doing some others similar, but not sure about both versions.

@IanMPalmer It's ridiculus that the Hide poses is not allowed. The hide body part features are there for a reason IMHO. I got Hide poses in my outfits and they didn't say anything about that.

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Aghostman posted at 2:18AM Sat, 25 July 2020 - #4395220

@IanMPalmer It's ridiculus that the Hide poses is not allowed. The hide body part features are there for a reason IMHO. I got Hide poses in my outfits and they didn't say anything about that.

I like your work, by the way.

The tester, who's been good and patient, checked, and I'm told I can use it for a bodysuit, but not for separates. I don't mind so much - knowing in advance would have been nice -, but the editing tools are so crude. Whether it's JCMs or weight maps, painting with the mouse is like sculpting with boxing gloves on. I want to be able to move a vertex 5mm on the Z axis, not to just whisk around it and see what I get.

This item is tight-fitting. I'll probably experiment with a looser-fitting piece, and if I can't get that right, then l'homme's not for me after all.

@IanMPalmer Thanks. ;)

Well it's their choise if they doesn't want more clothes for LH. Personally I won't touch him for creating stuff. The rigging is not even close as good as it s for LF. Too many issues when rigging that I can live without.

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The key problem with LHomme for me is the exaggerated musculature burned into the shape. It will print through in any weightmap copy and morph copy. This is why I did quit the development of a Prefitter for LH. Whatever you copy from him comes out as a mess and needs excessive work to correct it and sale revenue does not exactly pay that bill. There are morphs that smoothen the shape a bit, but that does not affect the weightmaps.

One would need a donor that is a total remake of the figure to 'garment' shape, so all 'spandaxed', with correct weightmaps.

Hiding body parts not allowed is crap. There is no more need for any body parts inside an opaque garment than there is for underwear under jeans. One even wonders why have the burden of a complete figure definition in the scene if the only thing visible is face and hands. Just have those as conformers to the garment figure. What is not there cannot poke thru either.

Intermediate solution is providing a transmap for the intended conformee figure to make the parts of the body inside the clothing transparent. A stack of those transmaps would leave exactly that part of the figure visible that you actually can see.

Odd that hiding body parts is allowed for bodysuits but not for separates. Why the difference? As an end user, I hide body parts all the time. It's the easiest way of fixing poke-through. A lot of shoes come with hide feet poses.

I really want L'Homme to be successful, but man, does he have issues. I find him difficult to pose naturally, even though weight mapping is supposed to be make it easier. And I hate his weirdly sharp-angled lats soooo much.

Transmaps aren't really a solution. Weird specular applied by an inexperienced end user would show through a transmap. Also transparency seems to have some issues in superfly and GI when there are mesh intersections. I think the "no hide poses" is because it would limit texture addons created for those garments, many of which use transmapped lace patterns and such.

These are just guesses of course.

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As far as L'Homme goes? I like Mike 3

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EldritchCellar posted at 6:29PM Sat, 25 July 2020 - #4395227

... I think the "no hide poses" is because it would limit texture addons created for those garments, many of which use transmapped lace patterns and such.

Well too bad for anyone who wants to make such an add on.

Lol. That would be a pretty big chunk of revenue for Rendo "poof!" gone. Ironic. Now you know how a scenerio like that would play out. Don't get me wrong, I use body part visibility a lot, I've even included visibility poses (which are easy to write) in freestuff I have. There must be a pretty good reason this is undesirable for products, and very likely not for technical aesthetic reasons considering some of the things that get a pass from the testers here...

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If this is going to turn into a La Femme/L'Homme bashing thread I have a laundry list of little complaints I'd love to share. But I'll just keep quiet about that. It DOES seem like making clothing for the figures is fraught with challenges though, just from casual observation.

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...And I agree with OP that having to rely on Poser's brush abilities to do stuff that requires finesse quite a challenge.

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L'homme is clearly a gay man; this whole marriage to La Femme is simply a political ploy by powers-that-be to appeal to conservative Christian sensibilities. The marriage will end in a messy public scandal/spectacle, mark my words

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The thing is...people might want to put transmapped lace on bodysuits, too. So why are hide poses allowed with bodysuits but not separates? That's what I don't get.

You have a point, it did occur to me that there was that flaw in my theory's logic. I can't really come up with a reason why it would be otherwise though. Something weird there... I'm pretty sure that hide poses are allowed for shoes too.

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Well I will continue to have hide poses for my stuff if needed. If they don't like that then i just pull the product. Simple as that.

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I’m starting to use LH, but I’m only using the LH morph of La Femme. No baked in topology or rigging issues. You can dial him down and morph away with LF morphs. I’ve converted a lot of clothes and shoes for LF that I can conform and copy the LH morph. I’m buying LH clothes to support the vendor, but I already have things like jeans.

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FVerbaas posted at 3:42AM Sun, 02 August 2020 - #4395225

The key problem with LHomme for me is the exaggerated musculature burned into the shape. It will print through in any weightmap copy and morph copy. This is why I did quit the development of a Prefitter for LH. Whatever you copy from him comes out as a mess and needs excessive work to correct it and sale revenue does not exactly pay that bill. There are morphs that smoothen the shape a bit, but that does not affect the weightmaps.

One would need a donor that is a total remake of the figure to 'garment' shape, so all 'spandaxed', with correct weightmaps.

Hiding body parts not allowed is crap. There is no more need for any body parts inside an opaque garment than there is for underwear under jeans. One even wonders why have the burden of a complete figure definition in the scene if the only thing visible is face and hands. Just have those as conformers to the garment figure. What is not there cannot poke thru either.

Intermediate solution is providing a transmap for the intended conformee figure to make the parts of the body inside the clothing transparent. A stack of those transmaps would leave exactly that part of the figure visible that you actually can see.

Mostly, I agree.

I think I have now a clothing base model I can work with, with a combination of looser fit - including clothing wrinkles over parts of the thigh joints, to absorb some of the JCM movement - and much-reduced geometry in the most-difficult area, which makes adjusting by brush easier.

The toughest area is the groin. This is inevitable, but is made worse by the fact that clothing affects the body. When LH hugs his thigh to his body, as in his base pose 3 particularly, there's a "dangle" which is how a nude figure would work. However, in clothing, the "dangle" is pulled in the direction of the thigh. The clothing item makes an adjustment for which the underlying figure isn't equipped.

Yes, the sane solution is to hide the body part. I don't understand why it's not allowed. I'll have to see how my solution goes.

randym77 posted at 3:48AM Sun, 02 August 2020 - #4395226

Odd that hiding body parts is allowed for bodysuits but not for separates. Why the difference? As an end user, I hide body parts all the time. It's the easiest way of fixing poke-through. A lot of shoes come with hide feet poses.

I really want L'Homme to be successful, but man, does he have issues. I find him difficult to pose naturally, even though weight mapping is supposed to be make it easier. And I hate his weirdly sharp-angled lats soooo much.

Agreed, although perhaps not with the same intensity.

The LH versions of my SF figures are conversions from M4. I have a really good pose set up, including morphs and scales, which enables a good match without the Fitting Room except to rig; but I admit I have the lats smoothed, with a more-gradual transition toward the waist than LH has himself.

EldritchCellar posted at 3:52AM Sun, 02 August 2020 - #4395227

Transmaps aren't really a solution. Weird specular applied by an inexperienced end user would show through a transmap. Also transparency seems to have some issues in superfly and GI when there are mesh intersections. I think the "no hide poses" is because it would limit texture addons created for those garments, many of which use transmapped lace patterns and such.

These are just guesses of course.

But a good guess.

EldritchCellar posted at 3:53AM Sun, 02 August 2020 - #4395250

If this is going to turn into a La Femme/L'Homme bashing thread I have a laundry list of little complaints I'd love to share. But I'll just keep quiet about that. It DOES seem like making clothing for the figures is fraught with challenges though, just from casual observation.

From my small experience so far, I'd say it has pros and cons. Grouping in the Fitting Room is perfect, which it's certainly not for M4, but rigging isn't.

As a test, I copied LH's DEV geometry, fitted it to the default distance in the Fitting Room against DEV, transferred everything - and got poke-through. The JCMs don't transfer satisfactorily (as far as I understand it) even when the geometry is identical.

I like very much the idea of Poser's own, versatile base figure, and LH should be it. My next "serious" clothing for LH - the SF stuff is more fun - will be a better test.

EldritchCellar posted at 3:58AM Sun, 02 August 2020 - #4395252

L'homme is clearly a gay man; this whole marriage to La Femme is simply a political ploy by powers-that-be to appeal to conservative Christian sensibilities. The marriage will end in a messy public scandal/spectacle, mark my words

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

RobZhena posted at 3:59AM Sun, 02 August 2020 - #4395319

I’m starting to use LH, but I’m only using the LH morph of La Femme. No baked in topology or rigging issues. You can dial him down and morph away with LF morphs. I’ve converted a lot of clothes and shoes for LF that I can conform and copy the LH morph. I’m buying LH clothes to support the vendor, but I already have things like jeans.

And probably better jeans than mine, for now.

I passed over the LF-LH morph: I went from PP 2014 (I think) Pro to the Renderosity P11 Pro. I should resist any temptation to go backward, I think.

OMG, I love the Logan's Run style outfits. I used to love the TV series, back in my misspent youth. I had such a crush on Randy Powell.

randym77 posted at 2:19PM Tue, 04 August 2020 - #4395896

OMG, I love the Logan's Run style outfits. I used to love the TV series, back in my misspent youth. I had such a crush on Randy Powell.

It must be the name.

I've just uploaded one loosely based on Rem, too.

Oh, neat! So it is based off the TV show. I assumed it was the movie.

I'm glad someone's making male SF clothing.

randym77 posted at 4:22PM Wed, 05 August 2020 - #4395917

Oh, neat! So it is based off the TV show. I assumed it was the movie.

I'm glad someone's making male SF clothing.

Or not. Apparently they're too similar, and haven't sold enough - the second one was released only yesterday -, so will now be rejected.

It's just us, then.

IanMPalmer posted at 6:04PM Wed, 05 August 2020 - #4396034

randym77 posted at 4:22PM Wed, 05 August 2020 - #4395917

Oh, neat! So it is based off the TV show. I assumed it was the movie.

I'm glad someone's making male SF clothing.

Or not. Apparently they're too similar, and haven't sold enough - the second one was released only yesterday -, so will now be rejected.

It's just us, then.

Can you clarify what you're saying here?

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Do you mean rejected by Rendo or buyers?

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Well, that sucks. I wonder if they would accept it if you spaced them out more?

EldritchCellar posted at 1:12AM Thu, 06 August 2020 - #4396047

Do you mean rejected by Rendo or buyers?

By Renderosity, for those reasons: too similar, and the existing - one a month old, and one just released - haven't sold enough.

They have given more detailed feedback, suggesting I make future products look more different in promos, but the idea here was the opposite: to make them look like a series. That's useful, because my thinking was the opposite of theirs, so I'd have submitted more rejectable products.

randym77 posted at 1:18AM Thu, 06 August 2020 - #4396076

Well, that sucks. I wonder if they would accept it if you spaced them out more?

I don't know. I'd been working on a better base mesh for this series, and planning some of a different general style - Space:1999, for instance -, so I might try it; but not right now.

A Space 1999 outfit would be very useful, I think. I never liked that show, but that style of clothing is a bit like the Valiant and Courageous outfits for M4 and V4, which have a ridiculous number of textures out there, that can turn them into all kinds of cosplay items. Babylon 5 uniforms, Trek costumes (everything from Starfleet uniforms to Klingon outfits to Troi's dress), etc.

I do think for that era, you need a matching outfit for La Femme. Women wore scanty costumes in Flash Gordon and Logan's Run (there were no Sandwomen that I can recall, certainly not in the regular or recurring cast). But Space: 1999 had men and women in the same uniform, and I think clothing would be of limited use unless you could dress LF and LH in similar outfits.

randym77 posted at 8:10AM Thu, 06 August 2020 - #4396107

A Space 1999 outfit would be very useful, I think. I never liked that show, but that style of clothing is a bit like the Valiant and Courageous outfits for M4 and V4, which have a ridiculous number of textures out there, that can turn them into all kinds of cosplay items. Babylon 5 uniforms, Trek costumes (everything from Starfleet uniforms to Klingon outfits to Troi's dress), etc.

I do think for that era, you need a matching outfit for La Femme. Women wore scanty costumes in Flash Gordon and Logan's Run (there were no Sandwomen that I can recall, certainly not in the regular or recurring cast). But Space: 1999 had men and women in the same uniform, and I think clothing would be of limited use unless you could dress LF and LH in similar outfits.

Yes. There are several questions, one being how authentic I make them. I don't want to infringe any copyrights, and Renderosity makes it clear that that's the vendor's responsibility - but there are loads of superhero costumes with no real attempt to avoid copying. My Nolan's Run is pretty close.

There's so much more existing product for females that I'd be surprised if there's not a credible Jessica or whoever out there, but you're right about uniforms like Space; 1999's, and I had thought about that.

Of course, every female costume seems to inspire someone to dial the breasts to 5000%, and hang the character upside-down on a wall...

I think Barbarella inspired getups would be interesting... sort of sticking with your retro sci fi/pulp genre direction but also heading into the more popular kitschy sex kitten garb. Not sure if you'd have any interest in making that type of attire for La Femme though, or even stuff for La Femme in general...

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EldritchCellar posted at 9:04AM Thu, 06 August 2020 - #4396112

I think Barbarella inspired getups would be interesting... sort of sticking with your retro sci fi/pulp genre direction but also heading into the more popular kitschy sex kitten garb. Not sure if you'd have any interest in making that type of attire for La Femme though, or even stuff for La Femme in general...

But then, where do you go? Stick with M4 and V4 for Poser, or give up and go DS?

Well. Unless you start creating more sets and props or start creating standalone figures of critters like Dinoraul or Nursoda... creatively your kind of painted into a corner as a 3d artist here, at least as a SELLING one. You either create character morph texture sets or clothes for whatever figure is most popular. So that's your answer IMO.

M4 is a very real alternative for a while I think, at least for Male clothing.

If you really wanted to be free of the confining nature of creating assets (not saying you do) intended for use with popular figures, and consequently market forces, I would concentrate on making environments and props. There's always a demand there. Plus your less likely to be sneered at by the rest of the 3d art world LOL.

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I'd second sets, Ian. My personal preference is in the fashion that Davo at Rotica uses; a set scale with basic architectural forms you can assemble, with objects to fill in the space. Wild walls and ceilings for ease of camera movement and lighting. A few poses that load the scene as it was designed, but having the ability to kitbash to produce unique sets to work with. Many years ago, Little Dragon whipped up a dynamic mattress for me that fits the bed frame of Davo's SFCC, and it has gone in every scene I've built with that. That's something I've been surprised hasn't become common; dynamic cushions in furniture that you run a basic 30 frame simulation with, and you have your characters placed in a chair where soft surfaces deform without any morphs. You could get the same effect with softbody physics. Put a sufficient positive pressure in a properly designed object, and you get impact pillows that could be attached to the interior corridors of a set for safety. Or cushions that don't use the cloth room, but the Bullet engine.

What Poser needs is a sponsored course and some master classes. Daz and Iclone have snatched the net ad space while SM was just letting it slide. The days of 'one big family' are long gone, and Poser needs to start playing to its strengths. A lot of knowledge has been allowed to fade of has been lost in one way or another. If a double handful of folks vanish, then a lot of Poser geekdom simply vanishes, and it becomes just as opaque as a lot of programs, with nowhere near the appeal.

I personally would love to see more clothing created for Apolllo Maximus as he's still an extremely versatile figure, and there is so little out there for him. He also needs more skin and eye textures. Just my two cents!

Anim8dtoon posted at 7:49PM Wed, 12 August 2020 - #4396674

I personally would love to see more clothing created for Apolllo Maximus as he's still an extremely versatile figure, and there is so little out there for him. He also needs more skin and eye textures. Just my two cents!

You have the fitting room, which means you can convert clothing made for probably hundreds of other figures to Apollo Maximus.

RobZhena posted at 7:07PM Wed, 12 August 2020 - #4396755

Anim8dtoon posted at 7:49PM Wed, 12 August 2020 - #4396674

I personally would love to see more clothing created for Apolllo Maximus as he's still an extremely versatile figure, and there is so little out there for him. He also needs more skin and eye textures. Just my two cents!

You have the fitting room, which means you can convert clothing made for probably hundreds of other figures to Apollo Maximus.

RobZhena, you're absolutely correct. The fitting room is something I need to get off my butt about and start learning how to master; I have no excuse for that. I've already mastered the Cloth Room, now I need to do the Fitting Room next! Thank you for giving me that kick in the butt ;)

EldritchCellar posted at 8:30AM Fri, 14 August 2020 - #4395252

L'homme is clearly a gay man; this whole marriage to La Femme is simply a political ploy by powers-that-be to appeal to conservative Christian sensibilities. The marriage will end in a messy public scandal/spectacle, mark my words

DUDE, every gay man needs his beard (fake marriage) and every woman needs her own personal gay so she doesn't have to worry about putting out! ;-)

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