The more I do promos for my products that I make for La Femme, the more I notice the palms and inside of her fingers are too smooth and flat. I've also noticed that her ears look equally unrealistic.

So now I'm here asking, has anyone made textures/bump maps for La Femme that could well fix these issues?

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So just for giggles, I made a few test renders of some textures I thought did a great job under P12 circumstances and...wow. You are right. While they do a good job with the hand maps, the *palm* maps are...I don't really know if it's the mesh or the textures but...even the ones I thought did a good job didn't fare well with those specifics.

And I never liked her ears and am not sure you can fix those with maps. It may be something with the mesh. My LFs are always subd'd by 2, and the ears are just not convincing as ears.

Anyone else? I'd post renders but am a bit ashamed just how not good-looking those palms and ears are. I'd love to see some good palm maps and ear morphs rendered in P12.

I'll try some different setups.

Is this better?

from front

First pass on hands:

(default shape for comparison)

Hands will be a bit trickier to get right due to rigging, not sure if match centers will work on them but I'll try it and see. Will probably require a couple jcms to get wrist to bend better too.
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With the hands it's not so much the bending, though I do like what you are doing, it's the lack of texture to the skin in most cases. It's like people forget to do decent bumps or normals for her hands so even if they've drawn in the lines they're still flatter than a sheet of paper.

The ears are looking better, less android, more humanoid looking.

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@Sunfire, What got me while I test rendered some packages was exactly that. Extremely detailed maps for the hand, and flatness snd nothing but color on the palm. A few ethnic textures had good texture maps for the inside of the palm with the lines, but even there the inside skin of the fingers was just... flat and smooth. Almost  like they were just forgotten.

@Rhia474 Yeah, I'm not surprised on the lack of fingerprints, but the joints and palm...

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Okay, this is not as bad as I thought, albeit it's still quite flat jarring.

Or this:

But still, look at the details the face and the outside hand skin has and how shard the dividing line is...something a real hand would not display unless it's skingrafted or something.

I hope content creators can chime in here.

If you're in 12, anti-aliasing might thin things out. It does like to do that.

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I render in Superfly.

In fear of being bashed, I thought I chime in.  It does look skeletal (not natural) out of the box, and I had to thicken it myself with morphs.  The hands takes me out of the figure in itself.  The ears are okay to me.

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Rhia474 posted at 8:44 PM Wed, 27 April 2022 - #4437826

I render in Superfly.

Yes, and in Poser 12 you can use anti-aliasing, part of the software now, to further clean up the image after render and before you save it. It will wash out fine details like "sparkles" though had you been using it, it should have smoothed her face too.

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Afrodite-Ohki has detail ears for LaFemme in the Freestuff here.

No, I don't use anti aliasing. To be honest I don't even know where to set it, I use the postFX settings only on occasion--the denoising smoothes out too much. And yes, it would have shown on all parts of the body, not just the palm.

For the ears there are several morphs and there is a HD ear morph that works well. The freestuff ear details work well too. I'm more surprised by the lack of palm details, though it seems not many other people are...

I don't know why I call it anti-aliasing, since I meant the denoising in the postFX settings. *headdesk* 

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Yeah, I got you, no worries. I don't much care for the feature for portraits since it makes everything smooth like a doll, but I suppose it's down to personal preferences. Your post is important as it calls attention to a detail many overlook.

I sometimes do promo images without it, especially if I want the "sparkles" and impurities. Sparkle doesn't work in SF very well and even less when you denoise the image. LOL.

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If I remember correctly, the PostFX denoising thingie should have a controllable intensity in a future update

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Sunfire posted at 5:48 PM Thu, 28 April 2022 - #4437864

I sometimes do promo images without it, especially if I want the "sparkles" and impurities. Sparkle doesn't work in SF very well and even less when you denoise the image. LOL.

By the mention of 'sparkles', are you actually referring to fireflies in the render?  Those are products of lighting most of the time especially if you are using HDRI illumination.  It is most apparent in lo-res HDR.  The best way to deal with those is to increase your number of pixels or change the HDR for a hi-res image.

Y-Phil posted at 1:21 AM Fri, 29 April 2022 - #4437870

If I remember correctly, the PostFX denoising thingie should have a controllable intensity in a future update

Whoa! I love this!

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hborre posted at 9:16 AM Fri, 29 April 2022 - #4437877

Sunfire posted at 5:48 PM Thu, 28 April 2022 - #4437864

I sometimes do promo images without it, especially if I want the "sparkles" and impurities. Sparkle doesn't work in SF very well and even less when you denoise the image. LOL.

By the mention of 'sparkles', are you actually referring to fireflies in the render?  Those are products of lighting most of the time especially if you are using HDRI illumination.  It is most apparent in lo-res HDR.  The best way to deal with those is to increase your number of pixels or change the HDR for a hi-res image.

Nope by "sparklies" I mean the glitter, shimmer, and sparkle some clothing or textures have.

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The larger the render, the more effective the de-noisier will be

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For the ears, here: https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/83156/detail-ears-morph-for-la-femme

It's a merchant resource, include it merged with your morphs for redistribution, have fun.

For her hands I keep trying to retouch them but I'm never too pleased. Might make a product on it.

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Thanks Ohki! I will say you have some of the best hands in your characters for La Femme.

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Sunfire posted at 12:41 PM Wed, 4 May 2022 - #4438121

Thanks Ohki! I will say you have some of the best hands in your characters for La Femme.

Thank you! I'm trying~~

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Posing LaFemme hands is a big problem for me.  They just look awful no matter what I do.  I have some hand poses like the "Give A Hand" package, but that isn't satisfactory either.  The hands always come out gnarled and weird.  How to deal with this?

Foley if i am not mistaken there is a "fatten" morph to "fatten" the fingers

Yes, Blackhearted made some morphs to smooth the hands after people complained that LF had witch fingers. I guess he likes bony fingers in a girl. 

You have inject them (they're with the body morphs). There's one to thicken the fingers, and one to smooth the hands.

There's also finger and thumb morphs in the hands that might help.

randym77 posted at 3:17 PM Mon, 1 August 2022 - #4442159

Yes, Blackhearted made some morphs to smooth the hands after people complained that LF had witch fingers. I guess he likes bony fingers in a girl. 

You have inject them (they're with the body morphs). There's one to thicken the fingers, and one to smooth the hands.

There's also finger and thumb morphs in the hands that might help.

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Thanks for the suggestion!  I searched the store for anything by Blackhearted - but couldn't find those hand morphs.  Help?

Blackhearted is the person who created La Femme.

If you have the free version of La Femme, you might need to buy the pro version to get her morph pack.  Sorry, it's been so long I don't remember.

Oh!  I have the pro version but didn't know there was a hand morph included!  Thanks!

IIs this more of an ear shape people like?

The top right does look more realistic to me. Her current default ear reminds me too much of Odo from Star Trek DS9, smooth and fake.

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It is exactly the same ear and the same ear as the scan model. The only difference  is the eye shape. And the first one is in zbrush and the latter in poser

The outer rim of the ears are missing in lafemme

Ohki has some free morphs that do make the ears look more realistic that I like... and forget to use. LOL.

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