OK so I surrendered and decided to give D|S a go, worked well with characters until I tried Genesis 9.
WTF is going on here, I'm bewildered?
This is Genesis 9 straight out of the box and installed using the DIM.

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11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900K @ 3.50GHz   3.50 GHz
64.0 GB (63.9 GB usable)
Geforce RTX 3060 12 GB
Windows 11 Pro