Remember the days when the forums had lots people talking about all sorts of things,  including making 3D art with programs like poeser and DS. 

What happened? 

Some of us are still here. But many are gone.

SAMS3D posted at 3:11 PM Thu, 1 February 2024 - #4481075

Some of us are still here. But many are gone.

And it is good to see that you're still here. It does seem that the community is always in flux.  I'd like to think that maybe people have just gone silent rather than gone completely.  I know some people felt strongly about some issues like NoAI and left.  The community used to have places like Hivewire and runtimeDNA and they slowly got absorbed. Perhaps other places have developed and they're out there still.  Who knows? 

I do agree. 

Well there are wars breaking out everywhere? How much of the 3d community was actually from some of these places that have new priorities?  Could just be social media fatigue too! OMG I've been lurking around here for 24 years!

Honestly I've been a member @ Rendo since 2004 and the Daz Forums have always been a bit of quiet here. It's not really a new thing. Also It's not the primary forum for DS users and never really was. Honestly I post here less than I used to as at times I have felt the wrath of moderators who feel that anything other than a passing comment is an "Argument". There are also a core group in some parts of the forum who have strong beliefs in particular tools purity and feel the need to stand on anyone's fingers who dares to bring any counter points to a discussion or even suggestions for future development. TBH it just got old for me, I do stop by from time to time and see the same antagonists having the same arguments from 2015.

In the past I have ran private competitions, posted relevant Daz update threads, vendored at the storefront here, offered help to users and have even been asked to moderate this forum. But over the years I have noticed the threads that see the most attention tend to be contentious ones with a small vocal crowd shouting down any 'unwelcome' ideas.

Poser is currently in some kind of years old content crisis, despite regular updates, as the vendors jumped ship/platform years ago when Poser content sales numbers floundered. Primarily due to a lack of a modern base figure and development tools. I believe the cry in the day was something like "Genesis we don't need Genesis, Poser is a creation tool not a content platform!" and I guess those loud voices got what they asked for... Leading to the current situation where a DS content importer is just not worth the investment time for Daz 3D and the Poser faithful will not even entertain the idea of a Renderosity developed importer. Poser is also selling at a base price of $250 USD which is creating a blockage to growing the user base in comparison to other software suites. And despite the storefronts appearance these are primarily Poser forums. (Check the best selling items page it is and has been consistently for years over 90% DS products. But on the back end the support for a DS crowd has always been minimal and an afterthought).

Another factor to consider is the growth of platforms like Discord over the old style forum setup. These often provide a less curated 3rd party environment for discussion with more diverse mixing of users. As far as I know there are no Poser or Renderosity Discord forums, official or otherwise.

So I would say it is a combination of the shrinkage of the Poser user base, competing technology platforms and diversity of forum environments are the main factors at play. But what would I know. ;)

Just to give you an idea. Here is a ten year old thread regarding Renderosity's support for DS: https://www.renderosity.com/forums/threads/2877803/daz-studio-gallery-question

Well, all sorts of things happened I guess; a form of evolution if you will. That's the pesky thing about technology for ya; just won't stay put, dag nabbit!

I came to Renderosity via Daz, via Poser, via Lightwave I guess, with a few other false starts prior to that.

I've stuck with Lightwave mostly as I've sooo much invested over the years, both time and $$$ wise, but ultimately it just makes sense to my aging wetware, even with it's quirks & foibles.

If your not familiar with the Newtek/Lightwave saga, not really of any concern.  We've been around forever in software terms (early 90's); essentially in Limbo these days, but not dead. The proverbial Phoenix if you will.

The previous forum on Newtek isn't open to Lightwave discussion, and current the one, https://lightwave3d.com isn't really functionally ready for prime time just yet.

In the mean time, that's actually been a plus ironically. By NOT having deal with updates & chasing tail with changes, I was able to figure out ways around most of what was left broken or confusing with LW, and what wasn't explained in Daz.

As a result, I'm able export nearly everything out to Lightwave

The one stumble for LW is dForce hair. Blender can handle that though, so I need to put the proverbial gub to my head and learn Blender so I can convert those products to LW.

In the meantime, I'm revisiting, and in some cases, re-re-revisiting, older products as some ah-Ha moments happen, or, "So THAT'S what that means" occur with a plug-in, or technique, or mislabeled UI, ...

... or simply forgot I bought the item.  Something goes on sale and I throw it into the toybox, and ...  Did I mention the wetware drying out in spots?

I any event, older products with new PBR software & techniques really breathes life back into them.

And between the two sites, you really do have access to many of the planets best digital artists.

Yes, it is a lot quieter than before. Some factors...

It's January/February, when people find time to play with the stuff they purchased back in November (Black Friday).

A lot of Poser / DAZ stuff has simply been done - we have a very mature ecosystem that needs very little activity to keep it going (other than archiving and keeping things online and available).

Some long-time users, especially those with great technical skills and knowledge, have passed away or gone quiet.

Many 2D image-makers have found what they need in AI image making (though Poser has a rich part to play there, re: making input for Controlnets and Img2Img).

A key Poser-friendly node and people-funnel / showcase, in the form of the regular Digital Art Live magazine, had to suspend publication due to the triple-whammy of piracy, artists swapping to the new AI image generators, and the cost-of-living crisis.

DeviantArt isn't what it was, which doesn't help funnel people toward Poser.

The Vue landscape software going subscription did not help, not the hacking and destroying of the Vue content store. The Poser to Vue workflow was simple, quick and painless, and gave access to a great render engine. It still is (still works), but in terms of sales Vue has abandoned its hobbyist users.

Many people are still six months away from getting back to financial normal, after all the lockdown disruptions and inflation. There won't be that regular monthly '$50 spare' to spend without thinking on 'bits of software and 3D figures/clothing' for a while yet. If they're not buying, they're not using.

Young people have a zillion other things to entice them, in terms of creativity. Many of these are huge time-sinks.

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Reading these post I realize so much has happened that I was unaware of.  One thing is a given, I will continue to use my 3D software until I am not physically able.

You guys are making a lot of valid points.  And whether the governments labels it or not,  it certainly feels like North America atleast is in a recession, a slow down,  but with inflationary pressures at the same time, prices on everything going up, so hobbies are something that end up lower on the priority scale when rent and food is obviously more important. And as mentioned,  3D has always been a global community and chaos in certain parts of the world will also curtail and stop participation. And we can't underestimate the AI generated art disruptor, cause folks that subscribe to one of those, have whole new communities to participate in, whether or not they recognize the ethical concerns. So yah,  15-20 years is a pretty good run,  but it feels, the times, they are changing.

Just curious has anybody tried the Ai generated art stuff? 

Still too quiet,  so I'll offer this Daz Studio 3DL render of Dante78's watermill I rendered last month. 

It's a really nice model with good textures,  but the dark brown poser renders on the store page do not do the quality of the set justice.

I pressed the 50% button on the picture,  why does it not keep the sizing when posted? 

Super nice 👍🏼 image. I started here so long ago, had my own website, then moved to here to sell models. Did alright but due to so much theft, I just gave them away and then kind of just backed off with creating models and created my art that I enjoyed.  There are still some amazing people here with a lot of talent. Because of their help I moved forward and I do create models again but from Zbrush, and use them for my art.  Time does move forward and also goes in different directions. But it is super quiet here.

So true about the thefts and the warez sites,  and as you say,  it is very disheartening for creators. We're gonna stay happy, upbeat and positive. Glad to hear that you have found your creative inspiration again.  Art is supposed to bring joy into the world. Or atleast a reflected  version of it.  It is one of the great things about coming to the community sites,  you get to see new art every single day. 

I'm still here, of and on. It probably looks like I'm on all the time because I just leave a Rendo tab open all the time, but I only check it once in a while.

FirstBastion, that's one impressive Water Mill render. Did you have to do much with it to make it look good in Iray? I might have to put it on the Wishlist!

Unfortunately there just isn't a lot of innovation happening in the DS or Poser world right now, which might be part of the reason there isn't much chatter. I don't want to throw any shade, but Poser just doesn't seem to be moving forward much at all. There is one user that has been making some extremely impressive still life style renders with it, so maybe there is hope. DAZ is still moving forward, but there are so many things that could be added to DS to generate more interest. Maybe DS 5 will be out before we all fall off our mortal coils.

Like others have noted, AI has probably re-routed a lot of potential focus on 3D. I played with it for a few hours. It could be fun, but I do enjoy setting things up myself, and AI could get just as costly. Last time I checked installing it on my computer to reduce costs was more work than I was willing to do when I have a lot of stuff to make images in DS.

IMHO Blender has made some real strides. That could be where a lot of people with interest in 3D are going as well. I moved on to Blender from Carrara for projects that don't involve of focus on DS content (mostly landscape scale animation work). Eevee is sooo nice to work with when it can support the project.

Anyway, I just thought I'd stop in and say "Hi". It's nice to see all the familiar "faces"!!

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I am still checking the forums at Daz, Rendo, and HiveWire almost every day, but honestly I am putting more energy into Blender than Poser/DS. I have always been one who prefers modelling and making content than actually rendering it. Am now trying to learn procedural materials in Blender, and may dip my toes into learning geometry nodes.... 8|

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The answer is quiet abvious. 3D applications are not competitive as hobby in front of AI, not competitive in cost (if you start to calculate the cost of your Daz librairy you will see...), in time (to create and render) and now also in quality . So for hobbyists the choice is easy. If you want to create all and to control all, you can use Blender, if you want a good result without spending  money, you install and use stable diffusion. I bought a Vue licence before Vue has been sold, I bought a C4D licence in 2008, I bought Poser long time ago too and I used Daz Studio, until one year ago... now I use it to create poses for Controlnet and I use Stable diffusion. Today I looked at the Daz gallery and I was surprised to see how the quality of the images is lower than one or two years ago. If you check the AI gallery on deviantart, it's a neverending torrent... what do you think this people did one or two years ago... a lot of them used 3D applications.

@EA - Sure AI's impact is going to be broad and substantial. But it will also be transformative as well. Photography didn't necessarily wipe out fine art painting, but it did transform it. There are a lot of parallels here between the two. 

I thought I would see what AI thought about the subject. I asked: "Will AI art kill other forms of digital art?"

The AI responded in long form, I then asked it to summarize the answer. Here is the result:

"While AI-generated art is a significant development in digital art, it's unlikely to kill other forms of digital art. Here's why:

- Diversity: Digital art encompasses various techniques and tools beyond AI, allowing for a wide range of creative expression.

- Human Touch: Many people appreciate the emotional depth and intentionality that human artists bring to their work, which AI-generated art may lack.

- Collaboration: Rather than replacing other forms of digital art, AI technology often complements and enhances them, fostering new artistic possibilities through collaboration.

- Artistic Communities: Digital art communities thrive on diversity and innovation, with AI-generated art becoming a part of this ecosystem rather than dominating it.

- Audience Preferences: Ultimately, the survival of any art form depends on audience preferences, and there will always be audiences for different forms of digital art.

In essence, AI-generated art adds to the richness of the digital art landscape without eliminating other forms of digital art."

Interesting response but maybe the AI is just being friendly and hiding it's true plans for Global domination. I find the response regarding communities interesting, one thing I have found is the sense of awe when seeing a true masterwork created in Daz, Blender or Poser. You really get the feeling that someone spent significant time and effort in crafting a piece of art that is true to them. Creating a kind of unspoken bond or kinship between the audience and the artist. In comparison I sometimes find that AI art feels a little more disposable, especially when it's flowing in torrents. Sometimes I see something and I'm like "wow" and then on closer inspection change my mind to "Oh, it's just AI art" and move on quite quickly. Maybe this idea is just an adjustment phase, as over time the line between straight AI art and other mediums will continue to blend together more and more. They likely had similar reactions when comparing digital art to more traditional art forms in its early days also.

It also reminds me of my early art training when asked to draw comparisons on Art vs Illustration. To me it seems like art comes from within and illustration is created by a third party adhering to a brief. Sound familiar? There is a certain amount of lack of control that innately comes with most AI art when handing the idea over to the model.  Begging the question 'who is the true artist behind AI works?'

Though one thing I am sure of is, an artist can never have too many brushes in their set. 

Possibly the forums could be livened up here by adding some AI chatbots to engage with the last bastions of great digital artists? ;)

Like all fads and forms, including this one, there will be variation in popularity. Trick is staying cool. (Vinyl anyone?)  That being said, the world and particularly the west has been so poorly managed and is unfortunately corrupt. (More public servants up on charges everyday) Disposable income is non-existent when hamburger is $6 a pound. (on sale).

Right now. the market will rest on products that add on, to items customers already have, as well innovative products and tools. Prices should drop at least 30% across the board as well.

It will never come back to the golden days,  technology has moved on.  Has anyone seen SORA AI cinematic samples from OPenAI????  Like the future is now,  just out there.

Freebie for DS if anyone is interested.

Renderosity Free Stuff area:   https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/97322/1stbastion-candles-light-the-darkness

I think one of the things we'll miss, in what will likely be reduced forums activity, is the miss-es. Poser's (non-Python coding) community has always been quite populated with females, whereas the AI community is very solidly male as far as I can see - with the very rare exceptions proving the rule.

That said, I see Poser and its wealth of royalty-free content as a valuable tool in "guiding" AI image generation to exactly what's wanted in the final image, and consistently so.  Thus they're not really competitors, for anyone with any foresight. The misconception that they are competitors may diminish, if Poser "does a Krita" and integrates AI.

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Think I'll play with my toys here. At least all the adverts are relevant to the package I'm using, and rarely quite as sleazy and second rate as the ones currently appearing on the DAZ Forum.

Regards,

Richard.

I browse with Firefox  and it generally does not display any ads on any site.

A not so quiet night. Daz Studio render using scene only lighting.

Used the Last Chance Night-Time sky.

I've been rendering less since G9 came out, and my purchasing as definitely decreased significantly. 

There's a lot of things I like about G9, but I mostly render male characters and hate the chest for the male shapes.

I get why the figure is designed the way it is. Content for female characters sells more, so that's the priority. I just wish someone would come up with a male shape that doesn't have the sharp crease under and between the breasts, and the odd squished flat look. 

Lumping all the clothes in together also makes shopping a lot tougher. 

I have bought a couple great looking G9 hairs,  but other than that,  I'm still heavily invested in G8 only. The variety of characters help tell my stories.  And Genesis 8 characters all look sufficiently different.

I've been lurking around here fo a few days, and finally decided to join the fun...yeah not much traffic, except for the galleries, obviously...

Anyway, Hello to old and new online friends, longtime DS/3DL hobbyist here:)

I still visit here every so often, i left poser a few years back now, as i felt with new updates to poser were not adding anything useful that i would use, and so moved over to DS, sadly this was also at the same time that most of my work was being pulled for TOS, My home is now on a popular art site, thus the lack of visits here, and tbh, has more of a community there.

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.

I think that the fact that not all the threads are shown by default contributes to the perception of not much activity.

Maybe all threads should be shown, without choosing a time frame from the form

My Renderosity store

I been working a lot for the county flying UAV's that has been a lot of fun. :)

Plus I hardly hang out in any of the 3d forums including those ones at daz3d.com  any more mostly because the moderation of most forums suck royally.  it seems that a lot of moderators are power egoistical & suck the fun out trying to post anything that is common sense.  and after having my post remove for stupid things like posting animations that have pg13 rating or posting a comment that may not be politically correct  gets old fast so pretty much I stop patronizing the forums and stores , I not up to speed with all this crazy woke crap going on in the world and hoping its a fade that passes soon.

But lastly I still do work with daz studio but i just never post my work in the forums or galleries any more, because of the reasons above. 

this is my latest animations I did with daz studio hopefully the mods will let the link stand so you can watch it  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVccqtFT8_o

Real world drone flying has to be an exciting endeavor.

Flying drones & RC Model aircraft is getting progressively more difficult in the UK.

It appears that the Civil Aviation Authority has woken up to a miniscule threat and over-reacted.

As usual.

Drones can fly, so they WILL be used as weapons to bring down civil aircraft every day without fail all over the country unless a paperwork safety net is created. So.. A license is needed to fly any small flying vehicle over 250g/0.5lb (I think that's the cutoff). A criminal record check is required and then each flying vehicle has to be registered. My dad made model aircraft in the 1950's from balsa & tissue paper and has kept them going since - and some of his planes are original despite the crashes he's had. These aircraft now are perceived as lethal threats to life, limb and can/will be used to destroy the containment on a nuclear power station. A 1.5kg/3lb balsa and tissue glider with a 12ft wingspan. It's insane. It's the sort of stupid knee jerk bureaucratic response that makes life nearly impossible for the law abiding and doesn't affect the sort of people whom it's supposedly aimed at stopping. If you are out to spread terror, would you be bothered with getting a license or a criminal record check?

So Daz finally did it,  they added an AI generation tool to their site.

IMO an inbelievably stupid move, but whatever.. I'm out of there. I find the AI invasion utterly tiresome.

There is an inevitability,  like a tidal wave sweeping through. 

Will soon be fully integrated into warfare...as a decision maker...

I think we can be sure that Daz will jump on any bandwagon that is current if they think they can make a buck. It happened with NFT's, now AI. Can't blame them, but they seem to be more reactive than proactive.

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And its not like we haven't seen a dozen "cautionary tale" movies of the dangers of AI, and the powers that be go happily skipping along towards Armageddon as they chase the almighty buck.

wscottart posted at 7:13 PM Thu, 1 February 2024 - #4481095

Well there are wars breaking out everywhere? How much of the 3d community was actually from some of these places that have new priorities?  Could just be social media fatigue too! OMG I've been lurking around here for 24 years!

That made me check my Rendo birthday. Will be 24 in September

FirstBastion posted at 10:27 AM Thu, 4 April 2024 - #4483243

So Daz finally did it,  they added an AI generation tool to their site.

Not only that, they have succumbed to the "pandering" of agendas.  You go look at their site, they have now in categories "NON BINARY".  I'm sorry but every sane person that uses daz or no longer uses daz knows Gen 9 was a STUPID move and pandering to the small 1 percent of people in the world that don't exist.  nuf said.  soon as i learn blender/zbrush, I am done with DAZ.  i will not give them a penny anymore.  i have ways to get what i need without paying a cent.

gohanf22 posted at 12:55 PM Tue, 9 April 2024 - #4483402

FirstBastion posted at 10:27 AM Thu, 4 April 2024 - #4483243

So Daz finally did it,  they added an AI generation tool to their site.

Not only that, they have succumbed to the "pandering" of agendas.  You go look at their site, they have now in categories "NON BINARY".  I'm sorry but every sane person that uses daz or no longer uses daz knows Gen 9 was a STUPID move and pandering to the small 1 percent of people in the world that don't exist.  nuf said.  soon as i learn blender/zbrush, I am done with DAZ.  i will not give them a penny anymore.  i have ways to get what i need without paying a cent.

Right now 3d is a difficult time anyway.
DAZ struggles to find its way and made a lot of bad decisions, Poser is stuck in the 2000s and has become meaningless as a vintage figure animation app and Reallusion is super expensive and has a steep learning curve, if you really want its full potential.
Reallusion figures and Metahumans have their limits compared to Poser or DAZ-Genesis figures.

Nevertrumper posted at 12:21 AM Wed, 10 April 2024 - #4483424

gohanf22 posted at 12:55 PM Tue, 9 April 2024 - #4483402

FirstBastion posted at 10:27 AM Thu, 4 April 2024 - #4483243

So Daz finally did it,  they added an AI generation tool to their site.

Not only that, they have succumbed to the "pandering" of agendas.  You go look at their site, they have now in categories "NON BINARY".  I'm sorry but every sane person that uses daz or no longer uses daz knows Gen 9 was a STUPID move and pandering to the small 1 percent of people in the world that don't exist.  nuf said.  soon as i learn blender/zbrush, I am done with DAZ.  i will not give them a penny anymore.  i have ways to get what i need without paying a cent.

Right now 3d is a difficult time anyway.
DAZ struggles to find its way and made a lot of bad decisions, Poser is stuck in the 2000s and has become meaningless as a vintage figure animation app and Reallusion is super expensive and has a steep learning curve, if you really want its full potential.
Reallusion figures and Metahumans have their limits compared to Poser or DAZ-Genesis figures.

In a way it is.  EIther your using Blender, or Zbrush, or any other main 3D program, or your screwed on becoming professional.  I intend to learn Blender and Zbrush and move away from Daz totally asap.  I will not use a software from a company that has succumbed to the ESG money.  Screw that.

And I will add that AI is destroying Artist's way of life and careers.  People making things in 15 mins is NOT ART. It is ART THEFT no matter how you look at it.  If you are mainly using AI to create your stuff, that is stealing from other people and if you do not have consent to use their artwork, that is THEFT PERIOD.  I'm glad there are many that are taking a stand on this and trying to make AI not allowed in the Entertainment Industries cause it is literally THEFT.

And apparently it is going to get a lot quieter. There is an inevitability in the air.

Just getting back on topic.

Might be time to climb a mountain and do a little meditating...

I know its old school. Modelled, textured, and rendered years ago when iray was just added and Ai gen wasn't even on the horizon.

gohanf22 posted at 7:19 AM Wed, 10 April 2024 - #4483432

And I will add that AI is destroying Artist's way of life and careers.  People making things in 15 mins is NOT ART. It is ART THEFT no matter how you look at it.  If you are mainly using AI to create your stuff, that is stealing from other people and if you do not have consent to use their artwork, that is THEFT PERIOD.  I'm glad there are many that are taking a stand on this and trying to make AI not allowed in the Entertainment Industries cause it is literally THEFT.

IMO, you are completely correct with this. That's why every posted AI image isn't protected by owner's rights.
If anyone's AI image would be useful to me, I'd steal it and won't give a sh*t.
Generative AI is nothing more than a tech show saying pretty much:
"Look, what can be done, now"
Nothing more and nothing less.
AI users are no artists!

Nevertrumper posted at 4:59 AM Sat, 13 April 2024 - #4483557

gohanf22 posted at 7:19 AM Wed, 10 April 2024 - #4483432

And I will add that AI is destroying Artist's way of life and careers.  People making things in 15 mins is NOT ART. It is ART THEFT no matter how you look at it.  If you are mainly using AI to create your stuff, that is stealing from other people and if you do not have consent to use their artwork, that is THEFT PERIOD.  I'm glad there are many that are taking a stand on this and trying to make AI not allowed in the Entertainment Industries cause it is literally THEFT.

IMO, you are completely correct with this. That's why every posted AI image isn't protected by owner's rights.
If anyone's AI image would be useful to me, I'd steal it and won't give a sh*t.
Generative AI is nothing more than a tech show saying pretty much:
"Look, what can be done, now"
Nothing more and nothing less.
AI users are no artists!

Oh its bad.  And there are stupid people out there that will pay money to this Scam of GINORMOUS PROPORTIONS.  I'm sorry but 100+ bucks or more for something that was generated from other people's artwork is blatant Theft and Plagiarism and anyone doing it should be given criminal charges.  And anyone who pays said person the money for it is just plain stupid and don't know what a scam is even if it came up and bite em.   I won't support DAZ for much longer.  I aim to literally move from it permanently in the forseen future.  Promoting AI and also promoting Political Agendas is 2 things that will LITERALLY destroy your company and at this point, I don't think they care and are just milking the money till it runs dry.  I feel bad for people that depend on DAZ for the rest of their lives cause unless you learn other programs, your going to be SOL in the forseen future when DAZ more than likely goes belly up from this whole situation.

Time will tell, it helps to think of AI as a tool rather than as an evil cotton spinning machine.

Like most tools it's use could be nefarious or productive, it depends on the wielder or the implementation in use.

Personally I don't think it is a bad thing for a business to be on the technological edge. Honestly if you are not moving with technology, you are being left behind to some degree. 

And regardless of whether anyone likes it or not, LLM's are here and are being implemented in almost every possible imaginable application and likely some that are entirely unforeseen at this point. LLM's are an established disruptive technology and at this point there really isn't a two fork road anymore.

Honestly If you don't like AI you might need to shift from using computers/cell phones at some point and perhaps move off the grid.

I know art is a very personal thing and honestly I still like the feel of a human creative process visible in "artwork" but at this point it is getting harder and harder to distinguish or even define what that truly means.

I thought I would help you guys out by making a list of things to avoid such as industries that are integrating AI or LLM assistance into their workflow or Software companies who are integrating AI as part of their overall offering. Just to help put some perspective on this for you.

Industries

- Healthcare

- Banking

- Logistics

- Retail Services

- Cyber Security

- Transportation

- Marketing

- Defense

- Coding

- Education

- Office Admin

- Legal

- Language Translation

- Data management

3D Software Companies embracing AI

- Maxon (Owners of Zbrush & Cinema 4D)

- Autodesk ( Maya, 3DS, Autocad, mudbox)

- Blender (Multiple AI addons including an official stability addon)

- Adobe (Generative AI in PS etc)

- Sketchup (Official Sketchup Diffusion)

- Rhino (Supporting numerous official addons to integrate Generative AI)

... ...

General Companies

- IBM

- Amazon (Including web services)

- Microsoft

- Google

- Alphabet

- Adobe

- Oracle

- Baidu

- Nvidia

- Meta

- GoDaddy (Renderosity's Website host provider...)

I can add more if you would like but these are just a small sample of some of the major ones.

Hope this helps.

Razor42 posted at 8:22 PM Sat, 13 April 2024 - #4483579

Time will tell, it helps to think of AI as a tool rather than as an evil cotton spinning machine.

Like most tools it's use could be nefarious or productive, it depends on the wielder or the implementation in use.

Personally I don't think it is a bad thing for a business to be on the technological edge. Honestly if you are not moving with technology, you are being left behind to some degree. 

And regardless of whether anyone likes it or not, LLM's are here and are being implemented in almost every possible imaginable application and likely some that are entirely unforeseen at this point. LLM's are an established disruptive technology and at this point there really isn't a two fork road anymore.

Honestly If you don't like AI you might need to shift from using computers/cell phones at some point and perhaps move off the grid.

I know art is a very personal thing and honestly I still like the feel of a human creative process visible in "artwork" but at this point it is getting harder and harder to distinguish or even define what that truly means.

I thought I would help you guys out by making a list of things to avoid such as industries that are integrating AI or LLM assistance into their workflow or Software companies who are integrating AI as part of their overall offering. Just to help put some perspective on this for you.

Industries

- Healthcare

- Banking

- Logistics

- Retail Services

- Cyber Security

- Transportation

- Marketing

- Defense

- Coding

- Education

- Office Admin

- Legal

- Language Translation

- Data management

3D Software Companies embracing AI

- Maxon (Owners of Zbrush & Cinema 4D)

- Autodesk ( Maya, 3DS, Autocad, mudbox)

- Blender (Multiple AI addons including an official stability addon)

- Adobe (Generative AI in PS etc)

- Sketchup (Official Sketchup Diffusion)

- Rhino (Supporting numerous official addons to integrate Generative AI)

... ...

General Companies

- IBM

- Amazon (Including web services)

- Microsoft

- Google

- Alphabet

- Adobe

- Oracle

- Baidu

- Nvidia

- Meta

- GoDaddy (Renderosity's Website host provider...)

I can add more if you would like but these are just a small sample of some of the major ones.

Hope this helps.

AI being used to Improve Art as I have said is one thing, but using it to MAKE ART TOTALLY is literally ART THEFT is what many in the art communities are trying to say.  And there are IGNORANT people out there using it to grab a quick buck or two without giving a DAMN.  They know there are gullible people out there to feed on and abuse which is also RUDE, ARROGANT and BEYOND CRIMINAL.  I'm sorry but, if your a person that will feed on other people's misgivings just to gain money, I will not tolerate you or even deal with you.  It is people like that why the world is what it is right now.

This is not direction I intended this thread to go. And,  I am certainly in the NO AI ART camp, and AI ART is Copyright infringement,  but can you go start your own thread to rail against it somewhere else. 

FirstBastion posted at 10:00 AM Sun, 14 April 2024 - #4483590

This is not direction I intended this thread to go. And,  I am certainly in the NO AI ART camp, and AI ART is Copyright infringement,  but can you go start your own thread to rail against it somewhere else. 

My apologies.

@FirstBastion I thought you would like this.

Top 100 3D Artist Montage | Eternal Ascent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNjMSFLkMZA

Razor42 posted at 7:56 PM Sun, 14 April 2024 - #4483603

@FirstBastion I thought you would like this.

Top 100 3D Artist Montage | Eternal Ascent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNjMSFLkMZA

Yup, that's life in a nutshell, always climbing, ever upwards, that's the journey...

Your new Torrential Waterfall Cliffs product looks nice indeed! Is the fall itself fully modelled or did you use opacitymaps?

The waterfalls water is a 3D model.  I'll try to get a picture uploaded of it on its own today. 

Cool!

3d waterflow,  from left and right.

I love creating artwork, I don’t really need AI to help me enjoy what I am doing. I may not be great compared to others or even AI but I do like my own ideas and creations, some more than others. That being said you don’t need to use it if you don’t like it, you still do have a choice, and if you do like it have at it. So far last I look our free will is still available …. For now.

FirstBastion posted at 6:33 PM Wed, 17 April 2024 - #4483718

3d waterflow,  from left and right.

Nice, thanks a lot:)

SAMS3D posted at 7:56 PM Wed, 17 April 2024 - #4483722

I love creating artwork, I don’t really need AI to help me enjoy what I am doing. I may not be great compared to others or even AI but I do like my own ideas and creations, some more than others. That being said you don’t need to use it if you don’t like it, you still do have a choice, and if you do like it have at it. So far last I look our free will is still available …. For now.

Agree 100%. I enjoy creating Daz renders as much as I enjoyed painting and sculpture. I also enjoy post-working renders to resemble paintings or other styles needed for specific projects. Sometimes a bit frustrating when I can't find the right model for a scene (especially when not available as a purchasable product or generous freebie), but pretty rewarding when I can kit-bash or create said model on my own.

Artists will always be artists. Creating,  and expressing their creativity.

I have found myself back here at the Renderosity forums as Daz3d forums are taking weeks to clear my replies on their forums.

Or they are simply deleting them altogether, they don't seem to be as tolerant of critic these days.

Hmm. I don't do Daz3D anymore, and never used Poser (strictly Blender these days), but the thread header lured me in. I've been signed up with Rendo since 2002(?) but haven't posted anything but pics after 2012 (life & stuff). So I finally show my face here again with a couple of Blender render uploads, and lo! how quiet the site appears to be! I kinda drifted away as the site seemed to get ever more exclusively Posery (my thing is 3D modeling, mostly with Blender these days).

It's interesting to be back.

mouser posted at 7:57 PM Wed, 22 May 2024 - #4485165

I have found myself back here at the Renderosity forums as Daz3d forums are taking weeks to clear my replies on their forums.

Or they are simply deleting them altogether, they don't seem to be as tolerant of critic these days.

Someone else that's been put in the "naughty corner".

Break the forum tos to many times and you get put on "pre-moderation", this means your posts all go into a queue to be checked by the forum staff before it get's allowed onto the forums, so basically if your post hasn't shown up after 12 hours it probably never will.

I've been calling content creators "lazy" and "stupid" for the half assed crap they've been doing lately, and that's what "finally" got me on the list.

Bejaymac posted at 9:21 AM Fri, 24 May 2024 - #4485233

mouser posted at 7:57 PM Wed, 22 May 2024 - #4485165

I have found myself back here at the Renderosity forums as Daz3d forums are taking weeks to clear my replies on their forums.

Or they are simply deleting them altogether, they don't seem to be as tolerant of critic these days.

Someone else that's been put in the "naughty corner".

Break the forum tos to many times and you get put on "pre-moderation", this means your posts all go into a queue to be checked by the forum staff before it get's allowed onto the forums, so basically if your post hasn't shown up after 12 hours it probably never will.

I've been calling content creators "lazy" and "stupid" for the half assed crap they've been doing lately, and that's what "finally" got me on the list.

I, too, have been threatened with pre-moderation recently. I don't even have to break the tos to get comments removed. For example, I asked rhetorically: "Why does witchcraft have a monopoly here?" That was deemed "past the bounds of reasonable conversation." Another comment that they removed was, "Daz's new image nudity policy is a good idea since 3D p0rn is their last remaining niche due to restrictions by many AI platforms."

On a thread about Adobe's new terms notifying users that they claimed the perpetual right to use anything on YOUR hard drive for their purposes, I commented that "People refuse to believe what they see, hear, and experience because their minds will not allow it. The best con games succeed when the mark defends the con, thereby becoming an accomplice in their own victimization." That comment was removed for being "contentious" and "demeaning an entire class of people." We are living in a Kafka story. There shall be no acknowledgment of what is happening. To be mildly hyperbolic, as Edward Snowden said, "When exposing a crime is treated as a crime, you are being ruled by criminals."

For the record, even I was put into pre-moderation limbo for a month or two. Admittedly  I was getting a bit snarky, so lesson learned and all that. I'm involved in other more interesting endeavours now.   In the end,  forums posts have minimal impact out in the real world,  The reality is, we live in a world of sheeple who will blissfully continue to be manipulated in the name of convenience.

pearce posted at 1:19 PM Thu, 23 May 2024 - #4485200

Hmm. I don't do Daz3D anymore, and never used Poser (strictly Blender these days), but the thread header lured me in. I've been signed up with Rendo since 2002(?) but haven't posted anything but pics after 2012 (life & stuff). So I finally show my face here again with a couple of Blender render uploads, and lo! how quiet the site appears to be! I kinda drifted away as the site seemed to get ever more exclusively Posery (my thing is 3D modeling, mostly with Blender these days).

It's interesting to be back.

Its true, the galleries are a faint shadow of their former selves  like your ghost signs, faded and barely visible. There was a time one could expect to get a couple hundred views. Now it is a small fraction.  Can the trend be turned around?  hard to say,  time wil tell.

I agree.

TBH I'm surprised it took this long to do anything to me, in reality I should have been banned years ago, in the 12 or so years since they moved to that forum software, I've had thousands of posts deleted. I have 1800 posts to my name over there, but I'm sure my actual count is somewhere between 5K and 6K

Thanks, guys, for letting me know. I'd wondered what had happened to the dancing cat girl. You're right, 1stBastion, forum posts and comments are usually insignificant, and that's why their hamfisted policing and deletion is an issue. The quiet here was avoidable, but  it may be permanent at this point.

A couple of days ago on the Daz forums, someone posted that the Daz+ freebie shader included several pentagram patterns and had an SKU of 99666. So, I replied, "Repping for the beast. Throw up them sixes, people!" And inserted an image with 29 various celebrities making the 666 sign over one or both eyes. It hasn't been removed. I guess because I didn't blaspheme their god.

arifzhafir posted at 1:15 AM Thu, 20 June 2024 - #4486444

Thanks, guys, for letting me know. I'd wondered what had happened to the dancing cat girl. You're right, 1stBastion, forum posts and comments are usually insignificant, and that's why their hamfisted policing and deletion is an issue. The quiet here was avoidable, but  it may be permanent at this point.

A couple of days ago on the Daz forums, someone posted that the Daz+ freebie shader included several pentagram patterns and had an SKU of 99666. So, I replied, "Repping for the beast. Throw up them sixes, people!" And inserted an image with 29 various celebrities making the 666 sign over one or both eyes. It hasn't been removed. I guess because I didn't blaspheme their god.

Were you perhaps looking in the wrong thread? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8763536/#Comment_8763536

RHaseltine posted at 9:25 AM Thu, 20 June 2024 - #4486464

arifzhafir posted at 1:15 AM Thu, 20 June 2024 - #4486444

Thanks, guys, for letting me know. I'd wondered what had happened to the dancing cat girl. You're right, 1stBastion, forum posts and comments are usually insignificant, and that's why their hamfisted policing and deletion is an issue. The quiet here was avoidable, but  it may be permanent at this point.

A couple of days ago on the Daz forums, someone posted that the Daz+ freebie shader included several pentagram patterns and had an SKU of 99666. So, I replied, "Repping for the beast. Throw up them sixes, people!" And inserted an image with 29 various celebrities making the 666 sign over one or both eyes. It hasn't been removed. I guess because I didn't blaspheme their god.

Were you perhaps looking in the wrong thread? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8763536/#Comment_8763536

Try reading the post - you have missed totally what he said.

One of the reason I spend so little at Daz now is the biased moderation, I've had posts removed because moderators can't be bothered to read comprehensively and judge a post by who posted rather then content.

tparo posted at 3:21 AM Fri, 21 June 2024 - #4486492

RHaseltine posted at 9:25 AM Thu, 20 June 2024 - #4486464

arifzhafir posted at 1:15 AM Thu, 20 June 2024 - #4486444

Thanks, guys, for letting me know. I'd wondered what had happened to the dancing cat girl. You're right, 1stBastion, forum posts and comments are usually insignificant, and that's why their hamfisted policing and deletion is an issue. The quiet here was avoidable, but  it may be permanent at this point.

A couple of days ago on the Daz forums, someone posted that the Daz+ freebie shader included several pentagram patterns and had an SKU of 99666. So, I replied, "Repping for the beast. Throw up them sixes, people!" And inserted an image with 29 various celebrities making the 666 sign over one or both eyes. It hasn't been removed. I guess because I didn't blaspheme their god.

Were you perhaps looking in the wrong thread? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8763536/#Comment_8763536

Try reading the post - you have missed totally what he said.

One of the reason I spend so little at Daz now is the biased moderation, I've had posts removed because moderators can't be bothered to read comprehensively and judge a post by who posted rather then content.

Ah, missed the negation. Sorry.

I haven't been on Rendo much since the AI flap started and I burned my gallery. Now, ironically, some of Rendo's verbiage on the topic resembles my own. Glad to see @Sven_Dullah . I miss you on the Daz site! Ads are gone - have been for a while. I never saw one myself. I miss some of the people here. I think about maybe restarting my gallery and reconnecting with folks. We'll see. This forum has always been really slow. I'm still amused that Richard visits here.

I've written and deleted this post three or four times now. On one hand, silence speaks volumes. On the other, guess I'll press "Add Comment."

The entire community will always be better off with more options and more alternatives.  Monopoilies NEVER work out well for customers. 

I agree, @FirstBastion . It won't hurt to stop by here and at least say hello. ;) I also do still occasionally buy something. But it's not like it was. >_>

Torquinox

Tks for your kind words:) I can't see myself going back to the DAZ forums, although I miss parts of the community. I think their (DAZ) narrative is clear for all who want to see it...

To be honest, I feel a bit lost here too, don't have much to say to anybody, and (in my opinion) the galleries seem to be flooded with an endless stream of pinups/promo-renders that rather could have their own sub-gallery. As a newcomer here, I struggle to see the difference between users' artistic renders and promoting a character, outfit, morph or whatever...(rant over)

Haven't rendered much lately, too busy enjoying the Finnish summer at its best. Dammn, life is goood:)

This really is a transition time. One thing about a forum that has almost no traffic.  You can pretty well make it whatever you need it to be. To paraphrase: If you post it,  they will come."

Rendo just introduced a new feature where you can filter out images in the gallery that don't appeal.  

more info here.  Important to note it is not really a block it is just a filter to hide.

https://www.renderosity.com/forums/threads/2987913/gallery-block-button

It's always a good day to post a DS render.  4.16

Until the site becomes a bit less stingy with their sales, I'm still only buying a select few items. They used to be less stingy, and I used to buy a whole lot more. And yes, site reps here know what I think - I've explained in excruciating detail. Meanwhile, DAZ site still gets the bulk of my content $$.

@Sven_Dullah Glad you're enjoying the Finnish summer! Daz site is Daz site, just like Rendo is Rendo. Both have their issues. Re: Renders: a lot of renders are, "Look at this cool product!" such that it could be a promo. A lot of the nudes, especially, are presentations of the figure. Yet, the product in the render is usually not exactly the product - This figure with that skin, changed the appearance with morph dials. Pose the figure, add hair, makeup, background, etc. Is that enough? Maybe making the render individually artistic and expressive means doing something more transformative to it. What will that entail? Maybe it also means adding narrative content - Putting the product to use in service of a story. Even then, it could still look like a promo. Making art is never *that* easy. We all do our best.

@FirstBastion Those folks are having fun. Cheers to that!

FirstBastion posted at 10:36 AM Sun, 23 June 2024 - #4486578

The entire community will always be better off with more options and more alternatives.  Monopoilies NEVER work out well for customers. 

Again, agreed. It helps if the competition is actually competing, though. I don't think that actually happens as much as it could/should. I could be wrong. Possibly, they're using different models and it's working out great for everyone.

@Torquinox, I understand what you're saying, and it was never my intention to criticize anybody...to each their own, for sure! At least the galleries are not dead, which is nice:-)

(Yeah, I never was a collector, always more of a user. If I'm missing something I go look for it or try to roll my own, with various success. The creative process is all that matters to me, when the render is done I lose interest and move on. We all have different motives.)

Sven_Dullah posted at 7:35 AM Mon, 1 July 2024 - #4486919

@Torquinox, I understand what you're saying, and it was never my intention to criticize anybody...to each their own, for sure! At least the galleries are not dead, which is nice:-)

(Yeah, I never was a collector, always more of a user. If I'm missing something I go look for it or try to roll my own, with various success. The creative process is all that matters to me, when the render is done I lose interest and move on. We all have different motives.)

I didn't think you were criticizing anyone. It made me think, though. There was a guy doing some renders and playing a lot with lighting. He got good results and complained the renders looked like product promos. I thought the renders looked pretty good. Your comment touched on that idea. I think, How does one get beyond that? And it's true: We all have our own motives!

Torquinox posted at 10:46 AM Mon, 1 July 2024 - #4486930

Sven_Dullah posted at 7:35 AM Mon, 1 July 2024 - #4486919

@Torquinox, I understand what you're saying, and it was never my intention to criticize anybody...to each their own, for sure! At least the galleries are not dead, which is nice:-)

(Yeah, I never was a collector, always more of a user. If I'm missing something I go look for it or try to roll my own, with various success. The creative process is all that matters to me, when the render is done I lose interest and move on. We all have different motives.)

I didn't think you were criticizing anyone. It made me think, though. There was a guy doing some renders and playing a lot with lighting. He got good results and complained the renders looked like product promos. I thought the renders looked pretty good. Your comment touched on that idea. I think, How does one get beyond that? And it's true: We all have our own motives!

Interesting topic! And a good story:)

Product promos motivation is to showcase the product in the best possible light showing the possibilities and functionality.

Artwork generally has a story or narrative that drives the concept of the image.  Very different purpose.

Give your art and characters in that art,  a motivating purpose and a backstory.

I have posted a bit in the Carrara forum here but too have the moderation issues wherever I go 🤣

Bought another lovely Hivewire3D, Ken Gillard product to add to my collection of things I need to get around to rendering, just too much stuffs, have lots of Dante stuffs too

I do use AI but refuse to pay a cent for it unlike 3D assets

I am actually using DAZ studio a lot though lately

YouTube Channel

Dreaming Kitty Channel

Tom R. Toe

My ArtyFarty AI channel

WendyLuvsCatz posted at 8:41 AM Wed, 3 July 2024 - #4487005

I have posted a bit in the Carrara forum here but too have the moderation issues wherever I go 🤣

Bought another lovely Hivewire3D, Ken Gillard product to add to my collection of things I need to get around to rendering, just too much stuffs, have lots of Dante stuffs too

You have mod issues here, too?! That's hard to believe. >_>  Have fun rendering, anyway.

Sven_Dullah posted at 3:50 AM Tue, 2 July 2024 - #4486971

Interesting topic! And a good story:)

Thanks my friend!

FirstBastion posted at 6:48 AM Wed, 3 July 2024 - #4487002

Product promos motivation is to showcase the product in the best possible light showing the possibilities and functionality.

Artwork generally has a story or narrative that drives the concept of the image.  Very different purpose.

Give your art and characters in that art,  a motivating purpose and a backstory.

That's a simplistic approach to making art. It limits the output to illustration. It would be rude to say that's all DS, poser or any 3D program is good for. It's common enough, but surely not the only way to make 3D art.

Torquinox posted at 7:19 PM Wed, 3 July 2024 - #4487025

WendyLuvsCatz posted at 8:41 AM Wed, 3 July 2024 - #4487005

I have posted a bit in the Carrara forum here but too have the moderation issues wherever I go 🤣

Bought another lovely Hivewire3D, Ken Gillard product to add to my collection of things I need to get around to rendering, just too much stuffs, have lots of Dante stuffs too

You have mod issues here, too?! That's hard to believe. >_>  Have fun rendering, anyway.

only a couple posts in 14 years (I was not the only one in those cases) but there was a whole very active forum section I regularly posted in that disappeared 🤣

YouTube Channel

Dreaming Kitty Channel

Tom R. Toe

My ArtyFarty AI channel

WendyLuvsCatz posted at 7:55 PM Wed, 3 July 2024 - #4487028

only a couple posts in 14 years (I was not the only one in those cases) but there was a whole very active forum section I regularly posted in that disappeared 🤣

Hardly anything, except for the whole section that vanished. I see why you're laughing.

I rarely come here any more. The other day I got a bunch of emails about posts to a topic I had long ago forgotten about. So I came back and made one response to that topic.

Sometimes I feel nostalgic about Renderosity. There were some great memories before I self-destructed.

Moving right along.

I am unable to post on Daz Forum anymore. I literally made a single post about Genesis 9 being a failure and now every one of my posts has to be approved. Doesn't even matter what I say now, nothing goes through. I wasn't BANNED but I might as well have been. I get the "Your comment will post when approved" and it never is. 

mouser posted at 7:57 PM Wed, 22 May 2024 - #4485165

I have found myself back here at the Renderosity forums as Daz3d forums are taking weeks to clear my replies on their forums.

Or they are simply deleting them altogether, they don't seem to be as tolerant of critic these days.

So I am not alone? Their moderators are not there to keep things peaceful, they are there to protect the brand and make it look like there are zero issues with their products.

zombiecharger65 posted at 11:55 PM Thu, 15 August 2024 - #4488411

mouser posted at 7:57 PM Wed, 22 May 2024 - #4485165

I have found myself back here at the Renderosity forums as Daz3d forums are taking weeks to clear my replies on their forums.

Or they are simply deleting them altogether, they don't seem to be as tolerant of critic these days.

So I am not alone? Their moderators are not there to keep things peaceful, they are there to protect the brand and make it look like there are zero issues with their products.

Dude many people are still using Gen 3 and Gen 8 cause how BAD gen 9 is.  Your not alone.

I am so thankful to see I am not the only one on the “naughty” list at Daz forums.

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission open.

I ceased going and spending money at DAZ when one of my friends ran into moderation issues when trying to critique the ads being injected into the gallery and forum... my understanding is they burned their gallery, too, and the one thread they'd posted those images into. The AI stuff was just confirmation it's time to leave.

What is really irritating me is that they are pushing for people to buy these new Models that come out for gen 9 that are for certain IPs, like how is DAZ getting away with selling those?

gohanf22 posted at 2:36 PM Wed, 21 August 2024 - #4488617

What is really irritating me is that they are pushing for people to buy these new Models that come out for gen 9 that are for certain IPs, like how is DAZ getting away with selling those?

Their big Star Trek and Dark Knight sets both got pulled. I've heard vendors say they get the bulk of their money for a product in the first week. So, if an item lasts a week in the store, I guess the vendor got paid for the items sold. Obviously, any store offers paid EL items for the money. It's a nudge-nudge-wink-wink thing.

Some vendors sell products that look infringing to me and it's under commercial license. And the store selling the products often doesn't seem to care. It's up to the copyright holder to say "Stop that!" Perhaps the copyright holder is busy? No idea. In any case, all that becomes Buyer Beware! 

i.e. caveat emptor  ;)

Or is it P.T. Barnum?

Yes, caveat emptor! :D

P.T. Barnum  said "There's a sucker born every minute."

... and if you buy something when it first comes out, vs. waiting for it to be on sale,...

Very clever DocPhoton!

Except... Except... New releases over there often have some sort of discount. I suppose, if one really wants to support the vendor, one buys early. That idea fights with my inner nature as I am a brutal bargain hunter at heart. Maybe splurging for something one really wants is not necessarily a sucker play. 

What I've been doing for some time now is simply putting things on my Wishlist and let them sit until something is at least 50%.

I've no actual idea what the arrangement between the artist & distributor is. But using the practice of movie distribution as an example, and a what number of similar business were modeled after, a first run movie's box-office take was split 90%-10% for X number of weeks; the lions share going to the distributor. The 10% and concession sales went to the theater.  As time went on, the percentage leveled out or even re-balanced in the theaters favor, but audience sizes would be dropping as well.

Might not be as flashy as the first days number of sales, but the artist usually makes a better percentage the older the product is. They're digital assets, so for the Distributor, the only real cost is maintaining server storage. So for them really it's, pretty much all profit.

Rendo's vendor arrangement doesn't say that. It says, least percentage is 50/50 split: https://www.renderosity.com/media_upload/17581

Daz says

- Earn 50% net revenue of sales

- Bonuses for top Artists

- Free product marketing to active buyers

- Royalty payouts monthly or bi-monthly

- Opportunities to partner with Daz to create commissioned assets

https://www.daz3d.com/pa/landing

Daz PA details are not publicly articulated, that I could find. My observation is, some PAs hail Daz as their ticket to life as a 3D artist, and some lament the way PAs are treated. Some vendors here feel the same ways about Rendo. Some PAs and Vendors sell from both sites, and others as well. No one solution works for everyone.

Nothing I've seen suggests the arrangement anywhere is comparable to movie studios. I could still be wrong, but I can't imagine anyone signing up for a 90-company/10-vendor split. Re: Daz: As I understand it, Daz completely handles the marketing, promotion, and consumer complaints. The company also does some of the work to prep items for sale. I don't know the details first-hand. I don't know how all that works here.

There is some grey area here and there as relates to reward points and GCs. I suppose that's where the idea of Net Revenue comes into play. Every company handles things a little differently.

Ya.  Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.

I seem to trope more towards the artist or at least the product; vendor is really irrelevant to me at this stage.  So like anything, quality & style never go out of fashion. If a particular product stands out or offers something a bit unique, it should expect a long sales life I'd think.

I've been revisiting some of my older assets, even back to Poser days, and amazed at some of the detail & quality. Been making new textures where needed, but overall they hold their own.  I've been integrating them with KitBash models. The KB models don't really have interiors to them so it's a good match.

Sounds like a plan, Doc Photon.

Yep, Caveat emptor...

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/165594/hydralisk-for-poser?aid=5613:2024-08-25

Torquinox posted at 9:09 PM Wed, 21 August 2024 - #4488621

gohanf22 posted at 2:36 PM Wed, 21 August 2024 - #4488617

What is really irritating me is that they are pushing for people to buy these new Models that come out for gen 9 that are for certain IPs, like how is DAZ getting away with selling those?

Their big Star Trek and Dark Knight sets both got pulled. I've heard vendors say they get the bulk of their money for a product in the first week. So, if an item lasts a week in the store, I guess the vendor got paid for the items sold. Obviously, any store offers paid EL items for the money. It's a nudge-nudge-wink-wink thing.

Some vendors sell products that look infringing to me and it's under commercial license. And the store selling the products often doesn't seem to care. It's up to the copyright holder to say "Stop that!" Perhaps the copyright holder is busy? No idea. In any case, all that becomes Buyer Beware! 

I had noticed certain things going missing from the "new release" sections.

But I also know there are things available that are direct copies of IP materials.

They werent all released with big fan fair as they did with a certain space western, or marvel release, but they are definitely copies.

As for the artists, that is pretty sad to hear. As it cant be much they are making.
Ill say it again, I rather give 100% of my purchasing power to the artist directly.

https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/

Commission open.

DarkElegance posted at 1:55 AM Mon, 26 August 2024 - #4488784

As for the artists, that is pretty sad to hear. As it cant be much they are making.
Ill say it again, I rather give 100% of my purchasing power to the artist directly.

So, I can't say for certain. The gist of what I hear is, they're not getting rich but some make a good living. Many more struggle. The benefit of a platform like Daz or Rendo should be market reach and support. Not sure how well this works out in practice.

It doesn't seem to matter what the medium or market. For many who try to earn a living making art or being artistically creative, the artist's life is hard. Some find a place and make a go of it. Only an anointed few win big. They're the lottery winners. Many more try and fail.

Torquinox posted at 11:30 AM Tue, 27 August 2024 - #4488825

DarkElegance posted at 1:55 AM Mon, 26 August 2024 - #4488784

As for the artists, that is pretty sad to hear. As it cant be much they are making.
Ill say it again, I rather give 100% of my purchasing power to the artist directly.

So, I can't say for certain. The gist of what I hear is, they're not getting rich but some make a good living. Many more struggle. The benefit of a platform like Daz or Rendo should be market reach and support. Not sure how well this works out in practice.

It doesn't seem to matter what the medium or market. For many who try to earn a living making art or being artistically creative, the artist's life is hard. Some find a place and make a go of it. Only an anointed few win big. They're the lottery winners. Many more try and fail.

... Been that way for millennia actually.

It's always been a tough market to work in. Used to be better,  definitely tougher now.   And the standard distribution of the BELL curve applies. The top 10-15% carry it.

Thanks FirstBastion! I appreciate your candor.