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(this thread is a continuation of the post shown in the above link, which was getting WAY too long ...) Dee

could you put in an update on who has what card(s) and what is still available? I'd like to try the hanged man, if it's not taken.

I'm pretty sure that the Hanged Man isn't taken yet.:o) At least noone that I saw has taken it yet. I think...maybe...boy was that a long thread. LOL!

Okee dokee, Shadowcat, the Hanged Man is yours. Looks like all we have available now is the "traditional" version of Judgement (the next to last card). Any takers? Let's tackle this round before we move on to the suits . Here's the final tally: --------------------------------------------------- The Fool - Picnic (you do nice male characters!) The Magician - Wizzard (for obvious reasons ..hehehe) The High Priestess - Dreamspinner The Empress - lynde The Emperor - Poppi (your Egyptian series was the deciding factor here) The Hierophant - Dmtyler The Lovers - Ironbear Strength -GhostOfMacbeth The Hermit - Lorraine The Wheel of Fortune - Xena Justice - Szeven The Hanged Man - Shadowcat Death - TheWolfWithin Temperance - Lalverson The Devil - Chas The Tower - Dolly The Star - Traveler The Moon - AprilYSH (a challenge for you, but you have some gorgeous watery images, I thought it would fit!) The Sun - Morris Judgement - The traditional version of Judgement is still open. Ironbear MAY work up an alternate "Rejuvenation" card for an alternate deck. The World - nikitacreed (see http://www.artoftarot.com/po.htm for examples) IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SYMBOLS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR YOUR CARD, PLEASE POST A MESSAGE. ONE OF THE "EXPERTS" WILL GUIDE YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------- THE FOLLOWING WILL BE AVAILABLE AT MORPH WORLD http://morphs.bbay.com/ars/index.html WHEN COMPLETED: Card Backgrounds and Borders - Dreamspinner and Dolly Props for Wands, Cups, Swords, and Pentacles - Traveler I think that about sums up all of those other 119 messages in the other thread Denise

I would like to know what number for "the World" I need to use. On my deck it is XXI. I just want to clarify the numbering system for it. As far as description, I think that what has been posted at Dee's site is plenty enough information for us to work with. I intend to go with my interpretation of the card, not someone elses. Why duplicate the meaning or images from another card set? I thought this was supposed to be our card project....not a copy of other cards.:o If I am misunderstanding all this...I apologize, but "The World (The Universe)" will be done as I see it. If that means it won't be included in the deck...so be it.

I think I misunderstood this whole thing. It isn't descriptions but symbols and numbers right? I'm confused now...LMAO!

"Experts?" Yikes. The ideas are just a "take it or leave it" kind of a thing. If you want them, they're there -- if you're inspired differently, go with it! :) The World / Universe is #21. It looks like #22 above, but The Fool is #0.

Okay, now if Dolly and I can just agree on the card face....S Two different folks and 2 different ideas about things. There will be compromises. I may suggest that Dolly post his idea and mine and let Dee decide, not sure yet. S Verdie

Thanks for the clarification, Chas ... I, too, was getting confused. 8-) Dee

21...then it is XXI. Thank you for the clarification. One last question. Are we numbering with Roman Numerals or just numbers?

Oh...also...are we going to have a particular font for the numbers and names of the cards? Seems that we should to have more uniformity. That's my last question...I think. LOL!

nikita, I was wondering about that myself ... it's pretty much a given that everyone has the Arial font, but that might be kind of boring 8-) The unfortunate part is that everyone would probably need the same font installed on their machine, and I don't think you can distribute fonts. One solution might be to assign one person to add the text to all of them? Dee

Okay this is what Dolly likes. I'll post mine idea next. Ya'll decide, okay or give added suggestions please. Verdie of Dreamspinner

This is what I like. Comments on both please. Verdie of Dreamspinner

ALL comments welcome on this, let's make this a community choice. 8-) They are BOTH lovely! On the first one, I was immediately attracted to the stars that hover over the border lines. It adds a very nice quality to the border. 8-) I prefer the dark rose inner border on the second one - it's a bit more subtle and draws your eye inward to the center more. Do you think the number and name labels should be moved over the black and rose area so that the crystal ball part is seen totally?

oops, noticed another thing ... the image size you have is 597 x 841. We will want the cards to be 413 x 713 as a final size ... and I was thinking that we'd start off with a double size image. Can we rescale your final result to 826 by 1426 (which is double the 413 x 713?) Dee

have assignment will render 8 ) as soon as time allows... CHeers

i kinda like it plainer... that's a lot of real estate just for the border design. it will give the uniform look though, so it's important to have it strong. so my vote, i like the top one cutting out the fire and spheres, as shown. are all the suits using the same border?

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a sweet disorder in the dress kindles in clothes a wantoness,
do more bewitch me than when art is too precise in every part

My vote goes with april, I kinda thought that the planets made it seem more space age than mystical.

I do have to admit, the little stars peeking around the edge of what looks like a silver border adds a real touch of elegance to that crystal ball. It's very classy looking. Dee

I have a question:)...just how much of the elipse are we allowed to work with?I'm not really sure from looking at the image, is it only the slim area where the text appears or does it extend beyond that? I'm just curious so I won't plan for an image that might not fit easily into the space..:)

hugs to all lynde

Treat the elliptical area however you want. Some ideas that come to mind: 1) Import the card background into Poser and render your scene over it. If, for example, you want to REALLY focus in on your character, feel free to have head, arms, legs, other elements such as the cups, wands, etc, extend outside the elliptical area. Will add some asymmetry to the card. 2) Render your scene totally in Poser, and then use Photoshop to cut and paste over the card background layer so that your scene fits within the layer. Use a "Multiple" blend or a "transparent" blend, if you like, to bring some of the swirliness of the crystal ball into your image ... might give the appearance that your scene is being displayed in the crystal ball. 8-) 3) Whatever else you come up with, is cool with me 8-) Denise

oh okay! great, thanks!:)

hugs to all lynde

Okay this is REALLY more of what I had in mind in the beginning. Now what do you think? I really feel that Dolly's border should be used. Verdie of Dreamspinner

I was just sitting here thinking how NICE it is to see everyone pulling together on this. The enthusiasm is really nice to see. I also see people willing to try new things, which is the whole reason projects like this are so much fun to do. And that was the whole point of my presenting such a challenging idea ... the symbolism of tarot cards adds a lot of dimension to an art project, and really gets ideas flowing. But, most importantly, I think the BIGGEST part of the credit for this enthusiasm is due to TheWolfWithin, who started this whole card concept in the first place. Everyone had SO much fun with his playing card project that I think we ALL wanted to see and do more. 8-) So, Wolf, thanks for taking the initiative to band everyone together. My hats off to you! Denise

I really wish that we could widen the card a bit to give folks a bit more space to work with, just a thought. Anyways the above pic IS 826X1426, if ya'll wanted to know. Verdie of Dreamspinner

Verdie ... to explain how I came up with the size thing ... when I started getting questions about what size to make the images, I looked at various tarot card decks to try to figure out what "typical" card sizes were. It seemed that many of them ran at about 2-3/4 inches wide by 4-3/4 inches high. So, I multiplied that by 150 (for printing at 150 DPI), and came up with the 413 x 713 figure. I figured those dimensions would be equivalent to "real" cards. If folks would rather go with something wider, that would be fine with me ... I'm sure there are lots of "non standard" decks out there as well. If you would all rather go with the original proportions of the crystal ball image, speak now. 8-) Denise

I rather like it almost the way that it is, gee I don't know, but would LOVE to see one with something beautiful in the middle! Verdie who is a Libra who can never make up her mind. LOL

Hmmm ... OK, I guess I'll make a decision on the size then, if you all don't mind. In earlier messages (in that VERY long page ... hehehe) we talked about the possibility of printing the cards up and selling them in the Renderosity store for community support. That brought up the concern of limiting the props that folks could use in the scenes, because some of them are not for commercial use, or you'd have to obtain special permission. So, let's just make the cards for the sake of art and creativity. In that case, I suppose we can go with any size we want ... so, stick with the original proportions (with accomodations for the border if necessary), but maybe just scale it up twice the size so that people can work on a larger render initially. Dee

I have to start over again. As lovely as it is, the background doesn't fit with any of the ideas that I had. I mistakenly thought that we were just doing a border.:o( I will come up with something new. I hope we have awhile to turn these out, because my ideas are shot. LOL! Dee...I will put the font on the images. We just need to pick one. Suggestions? My suggestions are VTC Goblin Hand and Morpheus. But I am not attached to them...just can't seem to find anything else. LMAO!

Okay, Dee considering that maybe if we are really lucky and can get this set printed up the size is just right then. S I have no particular preference as to the Font, so I'll go with whatever evry one else wants. Verdie

nikita ... before you restart, hold off. There may be other people who would prefer a solid background as well. I thought having a graphic background would be an alternative for the folks that didn't know how to build a scene, but who wanted something besides a flat color for the backs. So, wait until we finalize the border design. I'm thinking as long as we all use the same border, we can provide continuity in that way. I hate to see folks restart lots of hard work because colors don't work right. This is about choices, and I want to try to make it as easy as possible for everyone 8-) I am not sure what the "Morpheus" font looks like, but I do like the name, as I associate it with dreams, and the movie "The Matrix" (my all time favorite sci fi movie). 8-) Dee

Verdie, just to verify what I meant by "go with the original size", I meant the size that your original image was in ... of course, if adding/removing the border changes those proportions, do what you have to. 8-) Denise

The Matrix is our ALL TIME FAVORITE movie too!!!!!!! S Verdie

Oh YEAH, tell me about it! SO MANY levels deep! I could talk about THAT symbology for DAYS 8-) Dee

Well if the last one that I posted in the thread is alright with everyone else it's alright with me. Why do you think it's to narrow now? Verdie

OH!!!! ROFL I thought you wanted to go back to the original. Am I getting too tired again? ROFL OK, hehehehe, anything you say LOL Dee

ive just emaild verdie and i might have got it wrong dont woory you will have your answer in 15 minutes and then all you can start on your work i just want verdie to email me and then i will know sorry for making you wait

Well folks, it's either between #3 or #4. #4 is the very BIG one and #3 is the last one that Dolly just posted. What does everyone else think? S Verdie who is now going to bed.

I think go with no 4 it is better as not so messy i will send 4 to the web site so you can all getm started

hrmmmmmmmm....... pleasant dreams my friends.. perchance it'll all get sorted out... as for aspect ratios on the cards.. I've seen then from "standard Bicycle sized" to a set I have that's about 2"X 5.5" and near everything in between.. even a round set 8 ) though I"m still trying to figure out how one interprets a sideways card with that one... all I need is what's being used.. and I'm off 8 ) the basic setup's pretty much laid out.. Cheers

Touching the subject of the font why dont you use kelt as i think its a lovely font and would look well on the card

oh I SEE NOW IM UP YOU LOT ARE ALL PUSHING OUT ZZZZ well ive put these together so you can judge for yourself just decide and i`l put it in the website for download

I love the background, but I still prefer a solid background. I just think it will take away from the actual images and really limits what we can do. I won't be able to make any of my ideas work on a pink colored background. I will defer to Dee's desicion though. Here is a sample of the Morpeus font.

Here's a sample of VTC Goblin Hand.

Hahahahahhahaaaa... I'd say the one on the left dolly.. as for script.. Kelt is indeed a lovely script 8 ) I know cause I use it myself frequently as well as Mordred and a few others 8 ) the one on the left is less "restrictive" on the image.. a more "open" appearance to the card? THanks for the work mate

HOi niki 8 )

does any one know what the number is for the tower card thanks dolly whats that i can hear oh its only snoring zzzzz must be all you lot wale up who said you can sleep HAHAHA wake up er sorry lost it then still asleep myself

The tower is XVI. We are doing Roman Numerals right? LOL!

I think so and thanks for the infoall we need is the decision on the card and its full steam ahead

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not off the top of my head mate.. sorry... I stopped carrying them about with me shortly after I got tyred of people asking for readings 8 ) But tis 16 in the Rider-Waite deck use the link above as a quick referance for numbers 8 ) Cheers

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Ok, The basic prop set is done. Feel free to re-texture them, etc.

Cool Beans!!! thanks Trav 8 )

ive had a look they are exellent well done if your thinking of using them do it as they are superb

they're exquisite Trav.. highly reccomended... I like them withthe textures you did up 8 ) Cheers

No problem at all guys, if anyone has any good greek, roman, or Egyptian texture sources let me know, The Celtic one I have covered ;)

If anyone wants a great book on what the figures and symbols of the Tarot represent, I highly recommend The Complete Idiot's Guide to Tarot and Fortune-Telling.

Morning all! I've received a bitmap version of the background and will put it into layers for those of you who want a Photoshop version. I'll remove the text from the appropriate areas also so that it will be blank. Egaeus ... you know, I think I might get that book, because that's about how I'm feeling right now Dee

OH ... PS ... I like the Morpheus font, it's very cool Dee

so what font are we going with dee

thanks Treveler! if anyone wants info on tarot, with some good images of the cards, some info about them and doesn't want to buy a book, see if this helps: http://www.learntarot.com/cards.htm

I think we'll go with that Morpheus font ... nikitacreed has offered to add the fonts to the cards for those who don't have it on their computer. Dee

ok il have one as i dont have that font cheers

Seeing as how I'm supposed to coordinate with picnic I need to know what s/he? is doing, I'm using michael and have him posed but not much else. Or does anyone really care if the fool & the hanged man match? Last question is what style should be used for him (or do I choose?)

I dont think it realy matters as we will all bring our own styles to the deck

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get the morpheus font here. extract to C:/windows/fonts

thanks for the info

Just wanted to show what the #4 Face could look like with a pic in the center. Keep in mind it's not feathered, etc. and I will not be using this one, though I am tempted as she IS one of my favorites. This is 800X600. Verdie of Dreamspinner

its almost like a mirror i think it will look very good

Just wanted to show what the #4 Face could look like with a pic in the center. Keep in mind it's not feathered, etc. and I will not be using this one. She was rendered in Vue with a Poser Keeper figure. This is 800X600. Verdie of Dreamspinner

Absolutely LOVELY, verdie! It looks wonderful. 8-) Dee

these are great Verdie! nice work, and sorry Traveler (noting I can't spell)

Dee: Send me the images and I will add them to the downloads page. Trevor: LOL, no problem, I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out :) -Trav

Trav, LOVE what you have made for this project!!! Totally great looking goodies and really like those textures already on them!! Many thanks, Eric! I like the Morpheus Font a lot!! Going to go get it now! Gee, Dee maybe I should just leave the Keeper the way that she is if she looks good enough. Verdie

This is one that I fell in love with a while back by Bubba and just popped it into the center to see how a different color would look like. I wish I were as good as Bubba is!!! Hope he doesn't mind this. Verdie of Dreamspinner

Traveler, I'm in the process of working on the layered version, and will pass it on when it's done. It will be in Photoshop 6 format, for those who are interested. I also tried to bring it into Painter, but for some reason Painter isn't pulling in the labels for the card number and name. Now I'm DL'ing Paint Shop Pro to see if I can get a layered version in that format as well. Dee

I'm getting excited, seeing these examples of the card backs with pics posted in the middle. Woooooo hooooo! And thanks, Trav, for your props! I haven't seen them yet but will DL them when I finish the backgrounds. I suspect they will be up to your usual marvelous standard, though 8-) Dee

Dee, I use PaintShop Pro6 to do my work in. LOL Verdie

Traveler every time I go up to download those great props the down load times out on me. We do have problems from time to time with our phone lines her in Dallas; yes it's a 56k modem. I did manage to get the coin, but can't get the rest of the goodies. Help Please! Verdie of Dreamspinner drmspinner@earthlink.net

Is there a place to download the background yet?

Lorraine, coming right up. So far I've saved them in Photoshop 6 format (where you can choose between crystal ball, black, or white backgrounds), and in TIF and BMP formats of each background type. I'm about to zip them up and pass them over to Traveler so he can upload them to the Morph World site. Stay tuned. 8-) Denise

Well heres a look at mine so far i dont know if i`l use this or do a different one its still got a long way to go oh and i shrunk it a bit just to put it up here what do you think denise

Dolly, it looks wonderful ... however, there is one small point. Last night, amidst all the confusion of which aspect ratio we were going with, I think it was finally decided that we would go with the wider version because it would offer more room to put the picture in. (This is the wider version that Verdie has been posting her pics into in message numbers 68, 70, and 75 above). So when I prepared the Photoshop versions, I used that aspect ratio ... the spheres in your border are now back to their round original shape as a result, and I think it looks better overall because the aspects aren't disproportional. I have uploaded the PSD, BMP and TIF files to Traveler, and hopefully they will be posted soon. These files are the final size (600 wide by 800 high). Now I'm about to make the larger double-sized version in JPG format (1200 x 1600) - double-sized versions in PSD, BMP, and TIF were WAY too big for download. 8-) Dee

I LOVE that tower, and the hands coming down are absolutely powerful!!! You have done a marvelous job with the feel of the card. I'm sure others will agree. 8-)

so you think i should keep this design and just do it on the bigger card if so thanks and i will

Yes, the design is WONDERFUL!!!! You have done an outstanding job with it. Well done. 8-)

oh i forgot to mention the reason i got such a great feel for this card was due to lorraine as i was aving a bit of trouble with it so she helped me to understand the card thankyou lorraine

I had some trouble d/l the props earlier as well -- I think it's server traffic. Morpheus, huh? I remember when its creator first shared it on alt.binaries.fonts in '94, I think, in response to a quest for a Manson-style font. And here I thought I'd get to have this cool font that no one else had.... :( Well, at least no one else has 3D versions of it... Nyah nyah. :P Seriously (and somewhat unrelated), would there be any interest in these? I've got them in 3DS format, but just Poser's silverpict reflection map on them. I can zip and post -- can anyone do some decent (possibly celtic) textures for them?

Dolly that is a great tower!!!! I told you, your creative vision is perfect for this project...I bet the other artists will find this project to be rewarding even if they have no prior knowledge of tarot, once you get the basics tarot provides a rich source of inspiration....Again Dolly your concept of the tower is great!!!... my contribution was deminimus really....

Dolly that is a great tower!!!! I told you, your creative vision is perfect for this project...I bet the other artists will find this project to be rewarding even if they have no prior knowledge of tarot, once you get the basics tarot provides a rich source of inspiration....Again Dolly your concept of the tower is great!!!... my contribution was deminimus really....

Now THAT is very cool, Chas!!! Ooooh, oooh, I want it, I want it! 8-) Dee

does any one know when t is going to put them up in the download page,im on a roll and i dont want to stop, blimey that sounded corney oh well teehee

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I really LOVE what you have done with the Tower Dolly and really like the added sparkles on this. You are really doing a BEAUTIFUL job on this!! Sorry for the misunderstanding yesterday. I think you will like the wider version better as it makes your border look so much better. Verdie

This is a cool idea and looks like a good start - one point though: Playing card decks grew out of the Tarot. In fact, the standard playing card deck IS a Tarot deck with the major arcana removed and the "suits" edited SLIGHTLY. Beware of anyone who plays poker with the FULL deck... ;-)

Well whomever is tracking these things - I call dibs on the three of swords. :) Okay? :) Great work on the background - wow. This is going to be very interesting :) Lyrra

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For those who would like to join in on the project, we have an egroup on Yahoo so that we won't bombard the forums here with discussions and images. Click the link above to join the group. There are signup pages there, as well as polls, a database of cards that are taken, signup areas, and all sorts of other goodies. Come on in 8-) Dee