fixed the hip and knees also. this image was rendered in poser 3 with absolutely no photoshop touch up (only convert to jpg). I think it is really possible to obtain better, quite anatomical joints in p3, and I guess p4 (which I dont have yet). I do not know how the evolution 1 character works, and if it is better. Is anybody able to export joint parameters to another character (I would love to get a "mimi".. with my new joint parameters...). I may post the pz3 if you like it frederic