I'm a relatively new Bryce 4 user, new enough that I still have trouble with the interface. Anyway, I was convinced to upgrade to 5 as soon as it came out, even though the full Vue 4 program was only $50 more than the Bryce upgrade. Now I read in the Vue forum that they're going to offer Vue4 to Bryce users for $169. That's only $20 more than the Bryce 5 upgrade. I am in a quandry. Sould I stay with Bryce and save $20 or should I get Vue4 and have both Bryce4 and Vue4? Are there any users of both programs out there? What are the advantages/disadvantages of either? I am particularly interested in trees and other foliage. Vue 4 is supposed to have some "vegitation grower" but lacks trees. Bryce 5 has a tree designer, but no vegitation. Other points that would help me decide: File export/import abilities Render quality and speed Memory/system requirements Ease of use There are probably others, but I can't think of 'em right now. Can anyone shed some light on this dilema? Thanks in advance.