Just had Carrara crash for the first time since I applied the patch. I was trying to ungroup some objects that I had grouped while I was working on them. Carrara locked up..computer locked up.. had to shut it off and reboot. I should have known it was going to happen... Carrara got real sluggish just before it locked up. Anyway just thought I'd vent for a few minutes while I rebooted my other machine. Ed