ok... i think i finally have the hang of what to do for external geometry; just a couple of things i want to clear up real quick. 1) i was told that when you take a cr2 with internal geometry and text edit it for external, that you delete the rsr file. ok, so you have the picture of a shrugging guy instead; so how do you get a new rsr? if i add it back to the library in poser (thus letting poser generate a new cr2/rsr) wont it just include the geometry all over again? the second thing is, if i have lost my original obj that i created in rhino for the figure, is it ok to export the obj from poser to be used for my geometries folder? thats what i did today and after thinking forever it said the file being read is "not a poser file". im sure i did the pointers perfectly. when you export as obj perhaps you need to check or uncheck specific options? if can ever figure out these two things i think ill finally be able to sell something on Daz =P thanks!!