Ok. I am at the end of my rope :) I switched to XP, and now Max isn't running. That is a real bummer. I think, hey, no problem. I'll go to Truespace - it has radiosity, that's good :) Does ANYONE have a reliable way to pull poser objects into Truespace that works every time and preserves all surcafe materials (trans, tex AND bump?) truePose doesn't do bump mapping at all. 3D explorer OBJ->COB looks promising but the textures don't come - it doesn't do the paths right and transparency doesn't work AT ALL with it. sigh