So, there you are, about to render after many renders and many changes...and sh*t! Poser hangs! All your changes are lost, right? WRONG. Today, I discovered (In poser 4.03 anyway...) that even though you can't click "stop" when this happens, what you can do is this: Hit Alt-F for "File" menu. You won't see it pop up. Still holding alt, then hit alt-s for save. Again, you won't see a dialogue box, but it's working! The next part relies on instinct. You have to wait a reasonable amount of time for it to be done saving. You're going to see the hourglass forever. When you know in your heart it's finished, then ctr-alt-delete to get out of stuck poser and reboot your computer. Load the saved crashed pz3. What is wierd is that it's going to load in render mode, and you probably won't see anything but background color in the box. Don't worry! It's going to start rendering and all your crap is still there. Once it's done rendering then you can save as normal and be all set. Of course, the better idea is always save before you render, but when you don't, you now have this. -WTB