but I purchased World Builder 3, and I must admit, it's quite incredible. Granted, I'm still using Bryce 4, as I just posted a new wip. However, I started fiddling with it yesterday and today (got it monday). I don't do the number crunching stats about render times, etc., like other may want or need...I can tell you, for those interested, 1) WB3 has more to offer with all types of foliage 2) A much faster renderer, that DOES utilize you cards and systems 3d capabilities...not just cpu 3) WB3 is a real "windows" interface and is MUCH better for dual monitor setups...however, 1) bryce has more community support for free models, etc. 2) the added foliage for WB3 is just easier...i don't care what others say...you can make all those nifty flower and all in bryce if you take your time 3) I STILL like the way bryce renders...i don't care if it does take 3 days :) lol. that's all i have to comment on for now...more to come for those that want to know after the weekend...maybe i'll post an image of an imported poser figure in WB3...then the same exact scene in Bryce...with render times and output size, etc. Hope you guys are ok with me to post here...sometimes the poser board lives up to its name (don't flame me...I'm INNOCENT) :) Bryan