Got my Bryce 5 upgrade package today! Having read all these complaints concerning installation and expected upgrade advantages, all I can say is: I installed over a former MetaCreation Bryce 4 version without no trouble at all. Maybe I was just lucky...? It renders faster than before. I have that memory-poor-treating Windows ME OS but Bryce still renders faster than before. The possibility to have my own libraries show up is a hit. No more library import fuzz... The Tree editor is just as good as or better than expected. It just takes a little practice... There are so many more features I like but it would take up too much space to cover it all in a thread. What I did NOT like is the new interface color scheme. The old one was more tasty. -Zoot