Well I dont know if any of you ever tried changing the joint params (?!)- try smoothing the Poser4 gals behind or whatever, coz everytime I try to change the influence spheres (remember those oval red and green affairs?), the center point just flips to zero - meaning it lands between her feet, there to stay... okay I can move it back but thats not what Im after. I want better joint params !!! Am I overlooking something totally stupid or are we just to accept the params as heaven-sent ? I tried this on 3 machines, Win 95, 98, Poser 3-4, no dice. Try to fine tune and thar she blows... pic down under.