This one was a bitch because of the maps. I spent ages on the trousers and scars and tattoos and bumps using the P4 nude man template only finding out after that the template itself is offset on many different parts. Go on check it out for yourself in the templates folder. ASnyway after spending more time I'm almost there I still need to reposition his tatoos on the neck, and I am doing better morphs for his face. I know you cant see it well here but beleyve me the snake skin bump texture and some of his scars are really cool. - sorry bout that but I only recently started working with bump maps*- Any way I'll be finished with him soon . I still don't know where to post him so if anyone can suggest a place that would be cool.- Daemon