I've watched people complain and bitch about the speed of bryce's rendering, I am here to say I don't get the debate, I jst recently upgraded y system, the comparisons between the old and new are below, and a picture that took about an hour to render before now only took 15min, what is everyones complaint, you pay for what you get. Old New IBM APTIVA NO BRAND NAME AMD 500mhz PIII 933Mhz 128meg RAM 256 megs On board video card ATI 64 VIVO card SB Live SB Live 10gig HDD 30gig HDD win 98 win 98 20X CDRom 40X CDRom/DVD so with these changes I improved render time by 4X, why does everyone still complain, I can't wait until I get another 256megs of Ram and then see the render times.