Forum: Complaint & Debate


Subject: It's a shame that this forum is becomming greedy and selfish.

Mesh_Magick opened this issue on Aug 12, 2001 ยท 110 posts


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:24 PM

It is a shame that this forum is so cliquish, And only certain people tend to get any responses to their messages, Most of them have forums of their own or they have tons of store items.... Not only mine but Iv seen many other messages go ignored without any curtesy to comment on what the person is talking about. This forum used to be better when people seemed to be interested in what others were posting about. It's a shame this forum is now based on greed and what you can sell in the store, I don't think the store is a bad thing I think people losing site of what the forum here is for is. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


deestilo posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:34 PM

and your suggestion is to answer every question when most of the time we don't have an answer ?


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:35 PM

man this guy has a real brain, let give him a hand, clap clap clap clap!


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:36 PM

I can't help it if your too lazy to too type.


Schlabber posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:41 PM

Well, what did you expect, so many people had to close their sites, because they'd trouble in handling all the traffic. It is definately not easy nowadays to give something away for free without paying anything :o( And regarding the answering to "unknown" people - hmm, it is like this that more and more people are getting involved into Poser ... It is nearly impossible to read all threats here - so it is "easier" to keep in touch with the "main-players". You see a lot of "" because I don't want to get flamed by someone for using words that are not meant like this (english isn't my motherlanguage). And I have posted soooo many threats about pro and contra of the store - I'm tired of doing this anymore - perhaps you've only have the chance to growl with the wolves or left alone hungry :o( And regarding the forums - more and more are popping up ... that's awful for me - 'cause I've to crosspost in a lot of forums - but it's not the worst thing - so we have more people to speak with (as I don't have to answere enough mails - lol) These are just a few thoughts and I have to stop now ... or this will end up in another endless letter ... and btw: this is a complaint and debate - topic ;o) Schlabber


deestilo posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:41 PM

Ok....... i took the lazy typing part... but remember.... not everything in life matched your expectation.... Unless.. you prepared to be dissapointed. =)


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:48 PM

YOu can sloganise this all you want, your approach was antisympathetic and lame.


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:50 PM

Im not talking about giving free items away, Im talking about people having the curtisy to answer other peoples messages, Seems only the people who have items in the store get reponces these days, I thought I made that clear.


deestilo posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:51 PM

OOps..... and I can guess...this one is coming from an anti-friendly, not going to listen, the hell about it, kinda person ? See,.... Your comments is all about saying stupid things about other ppl..... (Clapping my hands)


Huolong posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:53 PM

Don't blame the forum for the actions of those who chose to use it or not in a manner not to your liking. It would be more useful to spell out what specific behavior needs improvement. Most important, rememember to light a candle and make the world a brighter place. And smokier.

Gordon


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:56 PM

Schlabber, I think you missed my point, This is not a pro and conn argument about the store even though I did mention it. Its about people having the curtisy to answer messages made by others. I think it's insulting to post a message that goes unanswered or gets less then the attention the topic deserves. I also think there are people here who think thier shit don't stink and that they are too high and mighty to answer anyone elses posts. I also think there are people here that are onmly concerned with the store and what they can get out of it. go for it. My opinion is a person feels unwelcomed or insulted when they are ignored, So yes I think it is common curtisy to give the person some feed back even if you are too lazy to type.


Schlabber posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 2:58 PM

hmmm - I have nothing (yet) in the store - and I can't say people are not answering my posts ... I think I've made this clear now :o) I think we don't have an unfriendly forum. Normally you get an answere to your questions ...


deestilo posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:00 PM

I agree with schlabber..... Courtesy is important but not the most important.. Goodwill and your contribution is what needed for this forum.........


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:00 PM

Huolong, Im not blameing everyone, I do however belive a forum is made up of it's members. And this forum used to be very interactive, Since the store opened it has become a gost town unless you happen to be selling something.


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:02 PM

schlabber I SEE HOW MUCH YOU CARE ABOUT THIS TOPIC WHY DID EVEN BOTHER TO RESPOND......


deestilo posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:03 PM

WE HAVE A CHATROOM FOR THAT ONE>>>>> MESH-MAGICK And this one is my last respond .... so don't worry... =) next time we meet.... we'll talk sumethin else as buddies


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:04 PM

May I also say upspoken people seem to get plenty of sarcastic responces from people who could care less about the topic because all the want to do is slam that person.


Schlabber posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:07 PM

OK - I'll tell you something about my day ... Normally I get up at 8 AM - drive to work (about one hour - 'cause it is not so close to where I'm living) So I started work at 9 AM - there I have to handle with very much problems regarding browsers, html, javascript, etc ... (I don't wine that's my job and mostly I like it ...) normally I work (if nothing special happens) untill 7 PM (sometimes less but mostly more) - I drive home - eat something and then we have about 9 PM - Then I normally make this and that pose and we have 11 PM - then it's time to care about the house - some invoices to pay ... etc - then we have about 1 AM and I mostly went then to bed ... So you see, there is not so much time left to be an active Forum-member and at the moment I'm more than glad to answere this and that post and mail DURING my work. Did I mention I play in a tennis-team and they haven't seen me now for some weeks ... did I mention my friends are calling me again and again asking if I could join a party or go out with them ... That is my answere about being too lazy to type :o|


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:11 PM

point 1 people who care about money onmly care about thier own products when it comes to gettiong attention to them. Point 2 this forum since the store got started has become less interactive and more compeditive. Point 3 compedition breeds fewer comments made to others who want or could use some feedback. Point 4 there are some lazy people who don't like typing, At least they have an excuse. Point 5 the high and mighty rarely post responces, I can make one exception to this, Jeff H, But I think he only answers my poosts if he thinks Im up to something.


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:14 PM

What do I want? I want to feel like a welcomed member here, Not an outcast who rarely gets his messages answered.


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:16 PM

And Im not the only one here who feels this way.


Mesh_Magick posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:21 PM

Schlabber go play tennis with VICKY , SHE'S WAITING .


Lorraine posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:26 PM

Response to Point 1: you have no real proof of your assertion, people seem to help those who are asking questions, and based upon sour grapes comments people may not respond to others at all...I do not sell anything at the store and I get responses to my questions. I also learn quite a bit through the posts on this forum. Response to Point 2: this forum (Poser) might become more interactive, it is hard to say. Do you specifically have any helpful or positive suggestions, or do you only want to vent? Maybe you could post a monthly challange for poser use? The monkey is on your back, if you feel that there is something you might want to suggest to the forum readers that is poser related, a request for something specific, poses, hair, post work etc. I have not seen it yet... Point 3: There is no proof of number 1 so this point appears fatally flawed. Competition might be good, you want to sponser a prize for this forum to see if you can prove your point, sponsor a contest by putting up the prize...some of us are challanged when it comes to making models, morphs and props...rather than giving something away for free maybe you could offer a cool item as a prize..that would engender competition and maybe spice things up. Response to Point 4: This comment may be true, the ability to type as fast as one can think is an advantage. Do you have some way of knowing if a person did not like to type they would not still hunt and peck out their question? Response to Point 5: Could someone get you to smile if they tickled you under your virtual chin? Are you having a bad day? Who, pray tell, do you lump in with the "high and mighty"?....I thought you were one of those people....now my world is crashing around my head.....waah...


deestilo posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:37 PM

This One requires me to respond again.......LOL You want to be a welcomed member.... Go to the chat room and express yourself there.... You'll know how friendly ppl in there.... Have you any friend outside the computer and internet ? Check out the world !!!!


doozy posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:38 PM

I answer posts that I have something to say about, regardless of what clique the poster belongs to.


genny posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 3:51 PM

Hi All, And especially Mesh Magi, I try to read all the posts everyday, but I do have a job, a long commute to work, and sometimes it is not possible. If, I feel I have a good and helpful reply (or,if I think I know the answer) to someones post, I do try to respond.....but, If I feel I don't know or I think that all you guys out there Know so much more than me, I don't reply, not out of in-consideration, but out of the fact that I truly don't know the answer. My questions that have been posted here, have all been answered, and all of you have truly helped me in one way or another. I try to read all the posts when I can, because in them, I find answers to questions that I also have from time to time. Please don't think that we are all selfish bastards who want something for nothing.......some are like me, who don't have the time, some are limited to the time they can spend on a computer on-line, some are Just too shy.......to post. Give us another chance......OK? genny PS. I don't have anything for sale in the store either, and won't have any for sale, because simply put, I don't have time or the interest to do this right now. (:


Jazzmin posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 4:02 PM

I haven't noticed any cliques here, what I have seen is many people supporting others! There are very few threads that go without a reply and sometimes it doesn't require any comments or an answer. It's also possible that the person who has the answer hasn't come along to provide it and if given time maybe someone will. If it were me and no one answered, I'd rephrase the question and ask again. If you don't like the forum then find another, simple solution without appearing paranoid. There may be cliques in some circles but that's just the way some people are. I avoid cliques because you can't control anybody except yourself. Live and let live!

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SAMS3D posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 4:07 PM

Hi, my posts are always answered by at least one person...and that is okay, if I can't help someone, I don't answer, try not to waste time for them and space for the forum. As for sales, we just support each other, that is a response in itself. Sorry, I haven't supported all, guess my life just gets consumed, not all, but some, some days I am lazy, that is my choice. But for the most part I think all here have added their presence nicely.


Eowyn posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 4:14 PM

No cliques here in Renderosity? rolls on the floor laughing


stu-art posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 4:25 PM

rendorosity has always been clicky mesh magic as schlabber said if youre not a main player dont expect to much response from the names however i thought you were one of the names also. as a rule i as a nobody find that the response to post,s very good personally as a rule if i dont know the answer i keep my mouth shut however if i can help i will i agree with a lot of the points you made but you time is a killer. not flaming anyone here by the way. stu-art


sturkwurk posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 4:27 PM

I've honestly never had a question go unanswered... every problem I've ever dropped here has been addressed quickly and most of the time professionally. some times I'm just as guilty as everybody else with projects... I forget to do things, or I have to respond quickly to a question which may seem impolite, but honestly... I'm busy as heck anymore. This has been a great community for me to hang out, learn, and evolve. Mesh Magic... were you also keoto? I think I've left some projects unfinished with you as well? If not, sorry for the confusion. Doug Sturk

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pokeydots posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 4:42 PM

My 2 cents :) I am a newbie to this site, been here a month or so, And I can not recall 1 time when someone didn't answer me, if not directly in the forums, then through IM.I don't think there are any cliques in here, I think everyone is treated pretty fair, and it is quite impossible to answer every question. I for one, read all the questions, but don't answer any that ask how to make something conform, create an object,etc, as I know nothing about these things, and there are certainly enough pros on here to answer correctly. If someone didn't answer you, maybe you asked something no one knew the answer to, or they were busy at the moment, and will get back to you! Look how many people have responded to this :)

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Jaager posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 5:03 PM

I totally disagree with the basic premise of this thread. But, I will make some comments: I think most of us are going to answer the same questions a few times and then leave it to others to carry those particular torches. Someone new should take the trouble to search the archives to see if the answer is easily found there. Plowing the same furrow repeatedly gets boring. If an answer is provided and the thread stops there, the person being helped provides no feedback about the usefulness of the information, no expression of gratitude at all, well, I for one, am just that much less likely to help the next person. As far as I know, unlike Walmart, there is no official greeter at the door. If a thread is posted with the primary purpose of seeking some sort of personal affirmation, this is often obvious and the thread is often ignored. Substantive questions with a clear subject line are usually answered.


Poppi posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 6:15 PM

Well, I answer threads that have relevance to me. The others, I don't. I don't have a Renderosity store, although, I do sell privately. I get responses to all my posts. I am a relative newbie here, too...only since about late february, and took off for a month in april for the keyes. Here's what I think....People answer your thread if it is INTERESTING. In some respects, this place isn't that much different from the real world. Folks like RadArt are funny....the R'osity class clowns. Others may be very dramatic...makes for interesting reading and provokes thought. Some folks have things that we may want...Or, maybe they are describing something we can get. Okay...back to counting clowns. I got them ALL back this weekend, and now, isn't that special? Pop...pop...pop!!! Oh, yeah...me, I got the pop!


RadArt posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 6:16 PM

Why does this remind me of the gallery and folks saying they don't get comments for the same reasons? Naaw, just my imagination, never happens....


Poppi posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 6:17 PM

Oh, Eowyn...I am working on a graphic with Marielle, especially for you. I even brought my "King of Egypt" character out of retirement for it. I just haven't had time to make the room that I want to put them in, in Bryce. The clown roundup took up most of my weekend....giggle.


RadArt posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 6:18 PM

You got your clowns back Poppi, yeeeehaawww!! Well bugger my piglets, I'm so darn crazy for ya!!! Good for you!!! Rad...rad...rad...


Poppi posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 6:29 PM

Yup....got 'em all back ;) LOL..I've still got "it". (Started having a mid life crisis, when I thought I lost not ONE...but TWO clowns....Doh, stupid me.) They both returned to the clown posse and are putting in hard "favor" time to make up for their lapses.


Greywolf Starkiller posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 7:39 PM

I respond if I have an answer, but I ignore those who are rude and opinionated with those who disagree with them. The number 2 post was a legit question and you answered with an insult. I hardly think that will get you any sympathy. I have nothing in the store either, yet my questions are usually answered, so I have no complaints atleast. Greywolf


wiz posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 7:49 PM

Hey! I'm not a "main player", I sell nothing, and I haven't offered any free stuff in ages. I disappear for months at a time. People still answer my posts.


Dmentia posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 7:55 PM

I normally don't like to respond to controversial posts reguarding this site, but in your case Mesh_Magick I'll make an exception!... I don't have time to read every post, and I seldom if ever bother to start a thread, every once in a while to let people know about a freebie, and one terrible experience to advertise...so if I don't answer your posts or any one elses its not because I don't know them or don't care, its because the subject didnt get my attention while I was skimming through what posts I could... I try to help when I can if its some one needing help, if you have a question and know its one I can answer, then ask me personally, im or email and I'll help all I can, but don't expect me or any one else to find every single solitary post out there and answer it, there just isnt enough time in the day unfortunatelly! As for this stupid clique thing (grrrr...mutter...mumble...*&!%$) I'm sick of hearing about it!...people become freinds and instantlly they are considered a clique, but not in a good way, its always in a bad way...WTF??? you can't have friends in this world without people assuming you're in a clique?...give it a rest...if you want friends, go make some friends for crying out loud!...maybe the reason you're so worried about these non existant cliques is because you've got such a bad attitude people don't want to be friends with you! Last but not least, be happy! you got plenty of responses, so I guess you can now give it a rest and know that people do take the time to respond to people! Oh and btw, sometimes, just because you don't see a response to some one else in the forumn, it doesnt mean that no one responded, some people (myself included) see some one asking for help and im them or email them to help out, so don't make assumptions about these things! er one last note - its attitudes like yours, added to the growing expense of offering freebies that make them become less availble...everytime I see a post like this accusing people of being greedy I come very close to yanking all my freebies, because obviouslly its more fun to gripe than it is to appreciate whats out there for you...so please don't ruin it for the quiet folks who actually appreciate all the wonderful freebies still availble, maybe you should consider posting something about the good things in this forumn rather than almost always griping, who knows maybe you'll make some friends!


RadArt posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 8:03 PM

There actually are a lot more friendly folks in this forum called Renderosity than unfriendly ones; it's just that sometimes the unfriendly ones tend to leave us with more "memorable" moments merely by being so "unfriendly"; and isn't that the way life is in general, we always tend to pass off a hundred nice things per day for that one prickly moment we may have....Dmentia has a good point...several.... ....now remember, you already got 42 replies to this thread so maybe the problem is solved...?


beelzebulb posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 9:03 PM

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I don't quite see what the problem is as you describe it. Everyone here is free to answer or not answer a post. It has nothing to do with rudeness or manners but with the the fact that some people answer threads often and others answer only occassionaly. I don't even look to see if the person has or doesn't have a store item etc. for sale. I am not in any clique and I answer posts only if they interest me. The whole point of a forum is that you can answer or not depending on whether or not you feel like it or are interested in the topic. I post when I have something to say and I have never felt unwelcome etc. if no one answers my post or not. I think the whole topic and this thread is kind of silly. No one purposely doesn't answer a post here to "make one feel unwelcome" etc.

HairBall posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 9:11 PM

I'm not going to say anything.


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kaom posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 10:12 PM

I think this forum is 100% pure entertainment!


hmatienzo posted Sun, 12 August 2001 at 11:37 PM

Hey, if I know the answer, I'll try to help, no problem. That is how we all started, right? By asking.

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HairBall posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 12:20 AM

I'm still not going to say anything.


RadArt posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 1:08 AM

Good.....


aleks posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 1:29 AM

mesh-magick, are you answering all questions? or even some?


kaom posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 2:15 AM

Where are these cliques? And how can be a part of one? I've always wanted to be in a clique, but I was never cool enough, now's my chance! But seriously, I don't understand the need for any of this, my questions get answered(ALWAYS). And by the same token if I have an answer to someone elses question, I do my best to help them, or comment on what they are doing. Renderosity is great! I just don't see the reason for any grumbling, It's an online virtual community, not a real neighborhood. People are still people even on the web. I don't see the greed, sure people are trying to sell stuff, what's wrong with that? I don't understand why this thread has gotten attention at all. Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?


HairBall posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 2:32 AM

Hmm...But then again.


kaom posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 2:47 AM

Your input would be refreshing here hairball!


MikeJ posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 3:40 AM

Drop on by the Vue forum here one day Mesh. We all answer repeat questions, repeatedly, and I personally make sure not a one goes ignored, although often someone else beats me to it. Sometimes, people are directed to a previous thread, with a URL pasted into the URL box or the message. There are days after work where I may spend two full hours doing nothing but answering questions and emails. Do not make such generalised, site-wide statements without looking completely around you first.



twillis posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 7:57 AM

Mike, the same is true in the forums I hang out in. And I'm no "main player" by any stretch of the imagination. I've always had helpful and friendly responses to my posts, and that seems to be the norm. Now, it's true that if a poster is rude and abrasive when asking for help, I rarely see a helpful and patient response to that! But when you are polite and friendly, you tends to get polite and friendly responses. That's what I've observed here. If you are not polite and friendly, one should not be surprised if no one want to play with you!


RadArt posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 8:04 AM

Peanuckle, anyone?? grin


wiz posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 8:09 AM

twillis said "If you are not polite and friendly, one should not be surprised if no one want to play with you!" Problem is that some of these people just don't that they're not being "polite and friendly". They honestly believe that everyone should be thankful for their comments, no matter how rude, for they are sharing superior insights with the rest of us. And they'll gladly tell us all how to run the forum. We've had a few classics in the past, anyone remember SixPacWolf or Soliel?


RadArt posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 8:21 AM

aaah garsh wiz, I could throw in a whole list of folks that act like their presence alone is worth replying to....or a "must"....but then this could be said about all those chat messages and IM's sent out a lot of times to come see the greatest work or website ever to be cast before our wanton, lusting eyes and that will change our outlook on artkind forever!! Very presumptuous, either some really feel ripe about themselves or their language barriers make them sound a might cocky...??


Mehndi posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 9:49 AM

Actually Mesh Magick, most of the store vendors that I have noticed, do not initiate or respond to all that many posts. They are actually busy using Poser, doing something with it. It is why in the end, they have something to put in the store ;) I myself have to choose between time to read threads and respond, and time to develop material for this store and others to support my son, so if that means not reading many posts nor having time to respond to many, that is just how life is. I won't cry over it. Why don't you take a nice walk, read a good book, go out to a movie, get some fresh air, learn to use your favorite software package in new and remarkable ways. I am sure you will feel better soon.


Doom Dancer posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 10:25 AM

Heh...reading the first 10 or so posts to this thread I come up with one conclusion: Bait and Hook. Congrats Mesh...you succeeded. Since we are on the topic though, I do not understand this..."Store Vendor Clique" you refer to. I happen to have made some friends from some of the vendors...and I don't sell a blessed thing. And didn't buy anything from more than 1/2 of those people.


the3dwizard posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 1:16 PM

I am with Mehndi, I try to post when I can and when I think I can make a meaningfull contribution to the discussion. However, I have stated it before and I will state if again. I have a problem with venders here who don't participate in the community. I feel that it is our responsiblity as a vendors to participate in the community called renderosity. If it were not for the forums, free stuff, galleries, etc there would be no place to sell. If you don't want to post free stuff, then contribute to posts, etc. If you are looking at it from a purely economic one, which I don't, then today's newbie might be your next customer. If you don't what to contribute to the community then go sell at DAZ3D or BBAY, because they ARE just places to sell your stuff. Greed? Heck I posted a freebie that will only work on someone elses product, not mine and I don't even know the vender personally. I just thought it was a cool thing to do. Selfish? I am hosting some of Schlabbers poses, thanks Schlabber. Hosting costs me money but I didn't like the way Schlabber was being treated and I didn't want the community to lose a valuable resource. Also, this should piss people off, some posts are not worth posting replies to. Face it do you answer every piece of mail that is sent to you house? I bet not. Just because someone posts a message does not mean it needs or desrves a reply. Did I have posts with little or no response? Yes, I figure either it was a bad post, it was week and didn't move people to reply or the person or persons with the anwers didn't see it and thus could not reply. Get over it and move on. You know I looked over the past couple of days in the forum and it looks like nearly every message was replied to, except posts that were DELETED. Most of those messages that have replies are from people who are not in the store. If you want to convince me, then add up all the post from the venders and non-vendor. The calculate the reply rate for each group. I will need to see data to be convinced. Deleted posts, this is another thing that pisses me off, but that is a topic for another thread.


RadArt posted Mon, 13 August 2001 at 9:27 PM

Okay, how about pin the tail on the donkey, there are plenty of us donkey's hereabouts...grin


HairBall posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 6:36 AM

There is no "clique" and no one talks behind anyones back. Okay? Remember folks, don't forget about the "meeting". Same time and place.


MikeJ posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 6:55 AM

I forgot the secret handshake. I know that in lieu of the Handshake, we're allowed to use either a password or show The Scar, but in the Rules and Regulations, Chapter 7.1, article 3B, it says that The Scar is not allowed to shown in public under ANY circumstances. That's sort of a catch 22 and needs to be re-written, IMHO. And I forgot the password long ago, so I guess I'll miss THIS meeting. Sorry. :(



Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 6:58 AM

Do I have to bring the beer to this meeting too?


Silvermermaid posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 8:10 AM

There is always going to be Cliques, they were in elementary when the kids at lunch didn't want to associate with the other kid in the last line. In High School when Jocks didn't associate with Goths. When Preppies were considered goody-goodies. In College, when Computer Lab geeks didn't associate with the "dumb-a**". In real life when everybody goes to lunch and leaves John Doe seating at his desk. In the retirement home, when those on crutches don't want to associate with those eating applesauce. The list goes on and one. Me wonders if there is cliques in heaven, LOL Just jump in there and socialize, I am fairly new as well, but I still try to contribute and get to know everybody, that is just me. I am getting to know lots of people and it's great. But like Dmentia said, some people get along better or become really good friends, and that is really cool! Some people just click better with various people. And like Mehndi said, some people are just too busy making more goodies.


Ironbear posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 10:40 AM

"We've had a few classics in the past, anyone remember SixPacWolf or Soliel? " Heh heh. Don't look now, wiz, but he did it again. SixPac started this thread under yet another of his million and one nicks. ;] Doom_dancer, you were friends with a lot of us before we became vendors or "stars" [whatever that is]. Guess you're just "doomed" to be one of the "in" crowd. ;]

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Mehndi posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 11:11 AM

You caught onto it too Ironbear? ;) I was just telling Russell last night, me smells the fine hand of Six Pack/Keoto/Blue Scarab... whatever nick he is using this week at work in starting this fine amusing thread ;)


Ironbear posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 11:36 AM

I didn't have to dig much Mehndi, Mesh_Magick as much as announced to an entire chat room he was BlueScarab/SixPacWolf a few weeks ago. ;] Pasted a link that led to one of his other nick's websites as his, and admitted it when asked. shrug No real detective work...

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 12:16 PM

(((Doom_dancer, you were friends with a lot of us before we became vendors or "stars" [whatever that is]. Guess you're just "doomed" to be one of the "in" crowd.))) Well...if I am going to be flamed, I am not to be flamed for naught. Perhaps it is time to become a vendor as well? LOL...might as well make some cash for the BS.


Ironbear posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 12:49 PM

snicker

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Allen9 posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:01 PM

'scuse me while I clique my mouse button a few times. ;o)


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:19 PM

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Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:20 PM

:::smiles::: I'm gonna be rich.


Silvermermaid posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:21 PM

If this is true, I have some of your props Mesh or 6Pack or whatever your name is, back when the Props Guild was just starting out -- the UFO Science craft, Mothership, Escape Pod etc. That means you have been around a long time, so you probably shouldn't feel too left out.


Silvermermaid posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:22 PM

I'll take 100 of those sprays, please LOL


Ironbear posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:26 PM

Moose bites? Er... no thanks, DD - I'll pass. ;] Moose bites hurt.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:28 PM

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atthisstage posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:31 PM

Doom: Possible side effects may include: nausea, drymouth, itchy eyes, moose bites, goose pimples and a severe allergy to barnyard animals. Resp: ... with no lingering sexual side effects.


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:37 PM

The only known products that we believe may cause that particular side effect in a small niche sampling of the populational medical survey are as follow: GestapoBGone: The anti irritational fascist cream CliqueNPeek: The see only what you want to see ointment TubeOfBoob: With one application you too can grow large breasts just to irritate the hell out of eveyone else.


atthisstage posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:40 PM

Ah, but you forgot Egyptian "NippleAway" Waxing Butter.... LOL


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:43 PM

No comment


Ironbear posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:44 PM

You're having entirely too much fun with this one, aren't you DD? ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 1:54 PM

Sssshhhhhhhhh!!!!! Don't give it away so soon Bear...was looking to make some money by f***ing over some starving artists. Afterall...that's what corporate people live for. When I am brushing my teeth every morning in my Lamborghini it's all I can think of. And it is obvious to everyone else when I walk into the office over my carpet of underpaid laborers because there is toothpaste stains on my Armani suit that I bought the previous evening because I didn't feel like washing the old one. Guess I will have to go shopping in Rio again tomorrow.


Ironbear posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 2:01 PM

Mums the word. Have a beer. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 2:04 PM

Thanks Bear, don't mind if I do. So...may I pencil you in tomorrow afternoon say 1 ish? We'll play the back 9 then eat caviar till we puke. Don't worry about the mess...I have someone hired for free to clean it up.


Ironbear posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 2:08 PM

Cool. Sure... write me in. I hate golf but I love riding around on the little cart maiking "vrooom, vroooom" noises. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Doom Dancer posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 2:12 PM

I do believe that my personal bartender does keep a stock of Samischlaus. If he doesn't have any I will fire him and anyone that knows him. Why? Because I can.


Chailynne posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 7:46 PM

Gosh... I thought everyone knew Mesh was Keoto. You can tell by the posts without him "accidently" posting a link to give himself away. LOL I'm just surprised he never changes or gives up.


Quikp51 posted Tue, 14 August 2001 at 9:44 PM

Hey is it too late for me to be sarcastic as usual? Oh wait I was supposed to just ignore this thread like the rest of them. Damn my clique isn't going to be too happy with me!


wiz posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 6:06 AM

Actually, I completly missed Keoto. Stay away from this place for a few months, and miss a whole, brand new SixPacWolf incarnation.


KateTheShrew posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 1:18 PM

snicker


Poppi posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 2:04 PM

Gosh...did a search for that screen name, and got a ton of information about how things were before I came. Interesting reading...and some insights into this place that I truly wish that I had had earlier. (Shoot, my eyes are tired, I wasted an hour and a half...and, not finished, yet, either....Ahhhhh....Renderosity...the saga, will I ever know the whole of it? Pop...pop...pop!


atthisstage posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 4:53 PM

Well, at least it's not MoCap trying to sell models that anyone could have gotten for free off the 3DWorld CD.....


Poppi posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 5:49 PM

Giggle...ain't this a swell place, sometimes? But, Mocap did attract MrCad to our community....So...that's a good thing ;) Pop...pop...pop!!!


illusions posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 7:40 PM

clicks? clicks? Well OF COURSE there's gonna be CLICKS! All the time you gotta click. Click to get to the forums...click to view the galleries, click to view the images...click to download free stufff...click...click...click!!!! Oh...wait...not clicks?? Oh...cliques...well I don't know anything about that! Nevermind sheepish grin


kaom posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 7:46 PM

It's a shame that this thread is becomming boring and inclusive.


Ironbear posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 9:10 PM

Don't sweat it wiz... there'll be another in a few months. ;] Know what you mean, kaom - all these old names. It's gotten to be a forum wolf convention. And he says no one ever replies to posts.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Poppi posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 9:23 PM

Ironbear...I am new here, well..new enough to not know the history. What is a forum wolf convention, please?


Ironbear posted Wed, 15 August 2001 at 10:42 PM

"Forum wolf" isn't really from here... it's an old net term from telenet and BBS's from the mid eighties, Poppi. Coined origionally [I think] by Wraith, Shadow, Kibo and a few old timers... Essentially it means the older veterans of the net wars and forum wars, and the old "net mercenaries". You know... the people that generally don't get into flamewars except to defuse them a bit, but they do flame war REAL well when they choose, or when they get good and norked off. I'm not going to list them: if you read back through the archives, I think you have a good idea who Rosity's old forum wolves are. ;] A "forum wolf convention" is a thread or forum that tends to gather them in, like this one. Places and general discussion forums like C&D, 3DFxGamers.com's [now defunct] "What's on your mind" forum, PlanetGeForces "FlameWars" forum, usenets alt.binaries.flames etc are hunting grounds for forum wolves... that's where they hang out, interact with each other, and relax with the occassional argument. NOT the same as a flamer: most forum wolves don't start flame wars - they end them. Pretty muchly all of the common use net slang and terms had it's origion in the old BBS and newsgroup days... here's a few that grew out of them: Modem Rodent, Forum Weasel, NetWhacko, Cracker or Cracker Kittie, Emoticon... all the slang you see around eventually evolved from those places and the people who hung out there. And new people took it and embroidered upon it and mutated the terms.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


KateTheShrew posted Thu, 16 August 2001 at 12:57 AM

...embroidered upon it...<< embroidery? Now yer talkin' MY language!! snicker Kate (rummaging through the Knitting Bag of Doom for her hoops)


kaom posted Thu, 16 August 2001 at 1:01 AM

This thread has become a clique in itself.


Ironbear posted Thu, 16 August 2001 at 3:11 AM

As PJ says: It's In to be Out. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


Poppi posted Thu, 16 August 2001 at 10:56 AM

Ironbear...thank you for the explanation of terms. I wish Renderosity came with a glossary, a history book, and, another on r'osity etiquette.


illusions posted Thu, 16 August 2001 at 2:06 PM

all I can say is...aaaaaaarrrrrooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Ironbear posted Thu, 16 August 2001 at 2:15 PM

No probs. Jeeze Poppi - it's not just Rosity. I wish the NET came with manuals, a dictionary and history tracts. At least ones that were easier to find and browse... I've been online off and on since 1984 or so, if not for that, I'd be lost on a lot of these... and even then, everytime I've lost connection for six months, gone offline for a length of time like I did when my lady and I did the rennaisance circuit for a few years or whatever, I've had to do a crash course to re-discover everything all over again. Net life chages FAST. Nice thing is, some things stay the same and you learn to look for those things to reorient yourself. Once you find them... the changes start to make sense again. In a way, I can cheat. When I go offline and lose touch, I look up old friends when I come back on and get caught up on the gossip, changes and news. That's why the big, stable boards like this one, DarkSites, the Icq/AIM network and some of the gaming forums are important to us... they tend to stick around and we can find each other and keep track. To some extent anyway.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"


RadArt posted Thu, 16 August 2001 at 6:07 PM

blech


Doom Dancer posted Fri, 17 August 2001 at 7:04 AM

ur thread sux .5


RadArt posted Fri, 17 August 2001 at 7:25 AM

blech blech


Doom Dancer posted Fri, 17 August 2001 at 11:58 AM

OK...for continuity I will raise it to a 1.5.