Thanks to all of you on your input and help, I finally made a choice and picked Cinema 4DXL Version 7, I got it from Maxon via an educational discount for a steal at $295.00. The great thing is that this program is stable, easy to work in, and will have plug-ins from Curious Labs. It also is a fast renderer and will have a Dynamic version which will have some kind of cloth simulator and of course there is Body Paint for textures. I am going to buy the PhilC tutorial when released here and I am hoping that Mr. Jim Burton can give me a heads up tutorial on how he does his work.These 2 gentlemen have some of the best work out there. As to the rest the model creators I will observing your work and learn from all of you because this is one of the best online communities for learning this kind of craft. ReneeFHT@aol.com