Hello folks I'm Serge one of the Max forum moderators. I just wanted to inform those who wanted to check out 3D studio Max but can't afford it that, they should check out the URL below: http://www.discreet.com/products/gmax/ I check it out last night and Gmax appears to be a stripped down version of Max, It is absolutely free. I have Max 4.2 and Gmax has alot of the modeling options that Max has, heck it looks exactly like Max and uses same keyboard shortcuts and menus as Max. So go check it out, you will not regret it. Have fun Serge