I know we all expect a lot, but I really, really think Curious Labs needs to get Poser 5 out for sale no later than mid-December, to get the Christmas money and all that stuff. I'd be quite happy with a couple of minor extras and a optional advanced rendering engine, with raytracing, I don't think a lot of the things we asked for are as important as for people to see that there will be a new version. I'd also like to see as few bugs as possable, myself. The more I use Poser the more impressed I am with it, it is in many way a very very advanced unique program. I would certainly like to see a lot in Poser 5, but as I said I would be glad to settle for less, especially if Curious Labs had a upgrade price for all previous purchasers of Poser 4, including ones from Metacreations, like Corel is doing with Bryce 5. We can always have Poser 6, too, as long as Curious Labs sells Poser 5. So anyway, Curious Labs, I hope to see something new for Christmas!