Ok, it seems that I've run into some people that are as in the dark on things relating to AL (Avatar Lab), Atmosphere and Using Poser to take advantage of these two new arrivals. Mostly I'm talking about AL and Atmos. Poser I know ;-) (well except for those pesky joint parameters). Kupa, if your around. Where do we go to start a forum? Will Curious Labs strat one specifically for AL and Atmos? It is really needed for AL and Atmos. We need to post our problems, fixes and the rest. Al right now has a bug in that it will not save the anims correctly. When in a Atmos world, maybe one or two of the anims work, the rest just don't. I've run into many people having this problem. I've done some templates for the parts in AL. SO in this NEW forum (or maybe here soon hint) I'd like to post those. I won't even go into the problems with the BETA version of Atmos. But I will gripe about the 6 hours of work that is unreadable now. sob. Anyway, I hope that this Atmos thing keeps going forward. I'd hate to see this just fade away. I know! I've read the other threads, DON'T start in on this thread about how this will be forever and all that. This is not the thread for that. I think in time there will be some FABULOUS avatars and some trully immersive Worlds that will be coming soon. So where to we go from here? We desparatly need more tutorials and addendums to the almost non-exsistant manuals. Sorry Kupa, but the supplied PDF, is far from complete. James