i like the atmospher of this forum i just wnated to let everyone know that concept art plays a huge deal in modelin i know me and teyon both are big on sketching characters lets see some of yours in the forum the pic is a 5 minute sketch of a concept for a mask, painted over and revised by a good friend ambient whipers paint over it doesnt matter if its a perfect sketch or a few lines lets see how you work these are concept sketchs so sloppy doesnt matter POST EM IF YA GOT EM cheers Trav