Diane, this is of course only me, but I simply cant find Dinas catsuit at thegrc....what about a little hint, so even I can find it ??? :-)

I visited your site just now. I might suggest you lose the mandatory sign in. It is annoying when I just want to check out the site. I tried finding Dina stuff, and was disappointed there wasn't a "Dina Button." The search function didn't bring up thumbnails, so I'm reduced to going through every page of the clothing section. That's a bad idea. Maybe you could fix that problem?

You can go to the section about characters, find Dina. Here is a chance to see all related items for her. There is a link in the bottom of the first page called related-something :-)

Also if you click on the what's new button in the store, you'll see the catsuit thumb there. Ron, There is a DSI button on the sidebar that get you to all DSI and DSI related products (right now that is Dina and everything related to her, but soon there will be more). I apologize for not being more clear. Also, sorry about the mandatory sign up, but we had so many chargeback problems that we felt it necessary to do that. It has helped cut them down dramatically and that is a relief to us and our vendors. Right now, we don't have a way to allow people to just view the Miva store without being able to buy. If we can figure out a way to do that, we will. The search function does bring up the catsuit when you search for Dina, but it's on the second page. The link takes you directly to the product. If you put in dina catsuit, it gives you the catsuits link. Diane

Renderosity and other sites have ways to allow us to look around, even participate in forums without even thinking of buying things. I certainly don't remember giving any credit card info when I visited your site, since I'm not ready to buy anything from you. So I'm not sure how your mandatory signup could help you fight chargebacks. If anything, your procedures have caused me to mostly stay away from your site.

Nope, you don't have to give any personal info other than an email address to sign up, but we have found that chargebacks have decreased dramatically since we don't have the store wide open to the public. It gives us one more way to cross reference a charge. I realize it is somewhat of an inconvenience to have to sign up to look around, but at this point with the software we have, there's no other way for us to do it. Chargebacks are a very expensive problem that all the stores have to deal with, and we each have different ways of trying to cope with them. Online sales are not like brick and mortar sales where the card company is liable for the charges if a consumer refuses the charge or the card is stolen. For online sales, the merchant takes the entire risk. Not only do you lose the merchandise that was downloaded, but the card companies charge very high fees on top of the charged back amount and can add fines on top of that. We realize we may lose some customers because of this, but the cost of chargebacks was far outweighing the lost sales. I do appreciate your feedback and we are looking into other ways to handle this to protect ourselves and our vendors while making it easier for the customer. Diane

At least I found what I was looking for...the famouse catsuit. Thank a lot for your help, Diane :-)

I just joined Poserworld today, with a year's subscription. I had been considering this for some time, and researched extensively. I think all my needs will be met at Poserworld. I do appreciate your explanations. Best of luck with your business.

I have both Vicky II and Dina. For me the "biggest" drawback to Dina is the oversized breasts. Until I have time to take the trouble to make my own morphs (or some show up in a freestuff or store somewhere) I won't have much use for Dina. I've purchased the Cherry Blossom character and while the breasts are more realistic they still end up looking a bit strange to me. If I had to make and either/or decision it would be Vicky II without any hesitation. Hopefully any future DSI figures won't be based on a model with absurd fake breasts. John

Sorry about this, shameless promotion and all that, but here is my take on what Dina and Vickie should have looked like. ;-) I should add that I had lots of trouble scaling down Dina's breasts, it is much easier to make 'em bigger than going the other way, Dina's very fine mesh made it especially tough. My feeling, incidently, is it would be better to start out with a "perfect" character and morph her "ordnary", rather than trying to go the other way. Similar to the way Hollywood will take a pretty, young, actress and make her up as a old lady, but you can't really do the reverse!

Oh, the mirror is in Freestuff! With instructions! ;-)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=116117&Start=1&Artist=jenay&ByArtist=Yes

hi there :) thanks to Jim B. for the mirror prop. read the instructions - very usefull. i posted 2 mirror pics some days ago - made me almost crazy to adjust the mirrored poses. at the end, i did the scene with the person and properties twice... have a look at them ...

I'm sure there many different opinions from many different people. My opinion as a newbie is that of Ronknights. Give me as much free stuff as possible to help get me started. In time, I will be (hopefully) one the many talented people posting the free stuff instead of downloading it.

Oh, I forgot... Although I don't have her yet I plan on getting Vicki2 and much of my decision is based upon free stuff. So there!

Hmmm...now Im confused again about that free stuff thingie. Why is that you people dont wanna make what you need your self ? Dcort makes wonderful clothes for Dina, BUT I still hope to see the day I dont need to buy it :-)

No wait...what I really want to know is this: Do you people really say: I buy Vicky because of all the free stuff ???? You cant be seriouse about that ?!? Uhhh, my poor head is spinning....you really buy Vicky because of the free stuff ?

Sorry Skygirl, about the head spinning... but all of the free stuff for Victoria is a deciding factor. The simple fact is that Victoria is the most popular add on human figure for poser. Period. She probably will be until Daz, or Curious Labs themselves release another human female add on figure. I admire Dan's (dcort's) work, I own Natalia, and I plan on getting Dina. But I bought Victoria first. Why did I buy her first? Availability of additional products, both free and for sale. Natalia is a great figure, and she was my third add on human figure, right behind Michael. And if dcort ever releases a male figure similar in size/style to Natalia, I'll add him to my figure library as well. Why was Natalia second instead of Dina? Again availability of additional products. Free is always going to be better than for sale... I don't mean quality wise, I mean by appeal. You could have the best figure ever made... ever... that no matter how you posed it, or how you morphed it, or what you did to it, the mesh would never break, and it would look spectacular, and it could even be dirt cheap, but unless there are products available to support it, it will not sell as well as a figure that has additional stuff to go along with it. I've got stuff for sale, and stuff for free... in fact I only have one free thing for Victoria, and two for Natalia... and I plan on doing more free stuff for Natalia... why? And why not sell it? Well, because I think Natalia is a great figure, and I think more people should pick her up, and having more free stuff available always helps... oh, slightly off topic, but just in case you people didn't know, Natalia V2 comes with a P4 version just like V2, that can wear all of the P4 clothing... this is such a HUGE bonus... if Mobius had included this feature in his Solondra V2 I would've picked her up too. But back to my point... I don't think anyone expects people to do everything for free... I certainly don't. But I do think that it's fair to say that all the free stuff available for Vicky is a factor that makes people choose her over some of the other figures available. Okay, I'm done rambling now... :)

Oh...well...ok...and thanks Cin- :-) !!! He, kind of strange to think about this: Somebody could actually sit somewhere and really want Dina, but because she is a new figure, that person buys another figure. Uhhh, guess I should start thinking about something else than this buy stuff, free stuff, make stuff...guess my poor brain works in an other way :-)

A figure is a component of Poser - and Poser is a system in every sense of the word. A ddeciding factor is the labor savings that come from being able to purchase or download free additional clothing, props and textures. Putting aside that I think Vicki2 is a superior figure technically and imagining that the figures are equal... The fact that I can easily purchase add-ons for Vicktoria is a huge labor savings for me.

Uhhh, but is it fun just to grab somebodys free stuff. Isnt it more satisfing to see your render contains so much of your own stuff as you able to make ? Well, is it just me alone feeling this way ?

Skygirl, Can you understand the entire concept of Poser? It is the fact that people like myself can make great pictures without being able to "draw a human body and clothes all by myself?!" I can use figures created by others, and use my own creativity in putting it all together. Can you understand that everyone is not skilled in creating their own clothes and props, let alone their own characters from scratch? Can you understand just how expensive Poser is to begin with? Can you understand that once you buy one thing, you still need to get all the other stuff that goes with it? If you buy Mike or Victoria, you don't get their textures or clothes in the same package. All this stuff adds up to a huge expense. If people like me are not so skilled in the creation of these items, we hope to find free stuff to make up for our own lack of talent. I do believe the Free Stuff is a vital resource that lets some of us stay with Poser when we'd otherwise quit due to lack of money. I've never had a program like Poser before, where there is such a great amount of resources, community, and yes Free Stuff to support the software. This makes a tremendous difference to me. Look at it another way: Many fine artists can get a good start, get recognition, by first providing Free Stuff. They can use that experience and popularity later when they "go commercial." I do believe most any decent artist would jump at this chance. So maybe now you have a better understanding? I am frankly surprised you didn't understand before.

Sky is jumping up and down the floor Ron I do understand. And I do know the value of making free stuff. Since april 2001 Ive been giving away between 200 and 250 Bryce models. Buildings, sky presets and materials. Something like everything I made with Bryce ended up as free stuff. Ive learned a lot that way. No doubt about that. But one of the things I also learned was the joy and pleasure to create my own stuff...creating pics that was mine and only mine...pic Ive been able to sell. All I want is to be able to do the same with Poser. Just that...Am I ambisiouse ? Maybe. Am I the only one ? I doubt about it.

Skygirl, Believe me, I admire you for your abilities and talent. However, let me relate to you one very important personal discovery. I learned that everyone doesn't have my "God-given" talents or my desires or ambitions. Not everyone wants to acquire them either. I learned to understand "where others come from," and that helped me get along better with people. So it's great you can and want to do such things. Some of us can't. If you understand that, then it will help our conversation. In your previous posts, it appeared that you didn't understand.

Ron, ok...all over again. Free stuff IS really a great thing no matter if you cant or will not make your own stuff. Guess we agree so far, right ? What you and I see when we look at free stuff is the difference. You see something usefull. I see something that say: So what lil Sky, can you do this too ? Both way is ok. What does this have to do with the Vicky / Dina conversation ? Everything. For me Dina is a challenge. To you she dont have things enough yet. Again both of us have an ok opinion. Does we agree so far ?

Here is a quote from one of your previous messages: "Hmmm...now Im confused again about that free stuff thingie. Why is that you people dont wanna make what you need your self ? Dcort makes wonderful clothes for Dina, BUT I still hope to see the day I dont need to buy it :-)" I was merely explaining what you didn't seem to understand. Hey, Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

HA HA HA, happy this and that to you too. Seems you dont like lil Skys with big ambitions. Lets ended here and make peace in this thread too :-)