I've tried 3d-cc but they just have Piccolo and Cell, a good Piccolo and Cell at that, though. I was thinking more along the lines of Goku, or at least that crazy type of clothes they where. That show is addictive, if you haven't been watching it, don't start! Oh well, I guess you can if you want to although you probably won't understand what's going on. I tried making a Goku Mike 2 (hey that rhymes!) but his eyes are enormous and oddly slanted. Magnets just don't do the trick and I have no modeling program except the Rhino demo. Even if I did the eyes there would still be the issue of the hair and his clothes. You'd think someone would have made the main character of a show that's title was the most searched for term in all of 2001, even getting about twice as much as ol' Brit Kneespears. Thanks for any help you can give, I'm sure I be hitting the refresh button about a billion times to check and see if someone replies. And then I will read what they say and then reply and have to wait again. Oh well. Such is life when you are impatient. But enough about that.