I just read an oldish message by a man who used to be a programmer for Metacreations. He complained that there are bugs in Poser etc because the programmers don't have time to properly debug their programs because of their management wanting stuff out for release in impossibly quick times - that old fault of factory etc managements from the begining. What is the chance of us getting the source forms of Poser and Bryce?, so that "many hands can make light work" of debugging and developing it as with the Gnu program and compiler packages (http://www.gnu.ai.mit.edu/), and the JPG graphics format (via an IJG mailing list jpeg-l@ijg.org, administrivia to majordomo@ijg.org). Judging by complaints about "C exceptions", Poser (and therefore perhaps Bryce) are likely in easily understandable C or C++, and not in Basic like I suspect that the spreadsheeting Excel is. (Ye catfish, I pity anyone who has to debug and improve a program in Basic which is a big as Excel!)