I owe it to many to post something, not that they are drooling to see ANYTHING from me, but to prove I have been reading (hi, blacksteel), and "listening" and trying to learn from the things people have taken the time to help me with. People like ronknights, mehndi, holyforest, colcasey, and scifiguy...to name some I can remember off the top of my head. I know it is a simple pose (well, not for ME...4 hours of Cntrl-Es), simple lighting (well, not for ME...still didn't get the effect I wanted), no props, and no clothes. A rough history of my maddening adventure (things I THINK I have learned): Forget using limits in extreme poses, forget IK, read the book over and over, the skeleton can't handle much more than I did...I wanted knees drawn completely against chest...I wanted a figure withdrawn in sadness...like a fetal position, make use of the "symmetry" tool, and render often (well, ME anyway). Then, lots of post to cover bad areas: a bow in the back from the bend, a divot where the thigh joined the hip, and an upper arm that was twisted too much. (wonder if I should have left it?) Anyway, I have placed it on the perverbial table as it were. I know it's a boring pose with boring lights. Any comments would be appreciated (I owe this to marforno...Martin, too for something that happened between us) Vicky 2 by DAZ (duh!), Gypsy Hair by hmann (not that you can see much of it...what a shame!)