Ironbear opened this issue on Jan 17, 2002 ยท 25 posts
Ironbear posted Thu, 17 January 2002 at 10:35 PM
Attached Link: "Art Forum" thread
A discussion has cropped up discussing the need [or at least the want] for a dedicated forum for discussions of art techniques independant of application: color, contrast, perspective, composition, balance, flow and all of the other things that go into making an image "work" independant of the medium in which it was done. We even have a member that's indicated they might be willing to moderate it or help moderate it. Is anyone else interested in such a forum?"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"
Varian posted Thu, 17 January 2002 at 10:44 PM
Absolutely yes! I think it would be very beneficial for many folks who really do want to step beyond "pretty pictures" and put some informed thought into the images they're making. The monthly Theme and Discussion in 2D Graphics is a very small attempt at this kind of thing, but it wouldn't be appropriate to turn the entire forum over to it, nor could I keep up with that kind of goal. So I'd very much like to see such a forum added and developed. d:)
voodoo posted Thu, 17 January 2002 at 10:45 PM
Me. :) I would think about calling it "art discussion" rather than "techniques", as that word has the ability to conjure up everyone who thinks we'll be posting tutorials on how to use the texturizer in Photoshop. I think this particular kind of forum would be able to transcend any Poser vs. Cinema 4d thing, as any image creator would (or should) be interested in this kind of discussion.
AprilYSH posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 2:18 AM
aye.
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dolly posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 3:10 AM
I for one would love thisa to happen as i think this site lacks a place to talk about colour ,light and composition. And think it would be greatly used as a lot of artist like my self love talking about art and the technics of making an image cheers dolly
MikeJ posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 5:13 AM
Hell yeah, put me down for one vote!
Kiera posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 7:42 AM
Definitely interested.
rcook posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 7:57 AM
Sounds like this definately should happen. Now, what should the name be? And what about the under-forum description to let the members know what should be discussed in this new forum? Russell
dolly posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 8:03 AM
How about The art disscusion forum cheers dolly a place for you to learn the tricks and tips for 3d art
Kiera posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 8:19 AM
Dolly's suggestion is close to what I would pick.. something like:
Art Form & Technique
A forum for the discussion of the substance, forms, and techniques of digital art.
Micheleh posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 8:19 AM
"Now, what should the name be? And what about the under-forum description to let the members know what should be discussed in this new forum?" How about the "Artists' Development" forum- A forum for anyone interested in learning, sharing, and developing the primary foundations for quality art creation." It would be nice for the focus to be on the artist and their skills, as opposed to a specific program. Most books, classes, and groups nowadays seem to focus on the functionality of the program as opposed to the skill of the user. What are the thigns that set two people apart, when they have the same education and experience in the same apps? Why are some people "gifted"? What is "having the eye"? How do you learn it? There are so many common elements that can be focused on- composition, lighting, color, shading, appropriateness to task, theme and message... on and on. "Art" is highly interpreable- but there is nothing wrong with knowing the "foundation" skills that set the competent artist apart from the less practiced.
Kiera posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 8:23 AM
I totally agree with Micheleh. You can go to 987 tip and tutorials sites, own the entire Daz and Renderosity inventory, have all the big 3D programs, and still struggle with getting your vision across. =)
Micheleh posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 8:34 AM
Thanks, Kieraw! Another thought I had- it wouldn't hurt to touch on some of the "professional" basics, as well. How can I make a gallery that works as a "showreel"? Is my banner/page/ad good, or lacking in effectiveness? How can I get the best results from my skills and talents? Professionalism has two sides- preperation and presentation. There is such a huge knowledge base here, but many of these questions aren't specifically adressed for everyone's good, because they don't often come up in the app specific forums.
Varian posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 10:02 AM
Art Development A forum for the discussion of the substance, forms, and techniques of creating art, for anyone interested in learning, sharing, and developing the primary foundations for quality art creation. Kind of a blending of ideas and words from Kieraw and Michelah. :)
Ironbear posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 12:45 PM
I like Varian's forum description. That works. I think the name should be "Art Theory and Practice" or something descriptive though, that gets the idea across that it's for general art and design skills. There's a lot of potential for this to eventually become a "college" forum online.
"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"
voodoo posted Fri, 18 January 2002 at 5:19 PM
Just my two cents, but I like the ideas that Varian and Ironbear just posted. I don't think that we should even limit anything to just digital art, as the 2d forum has some wonderful painters posting work there. We all could learn a bit from photographers too, I'm sure. It's about images, period, no matter what the medium.
Micheleh posted Sat, 19 January 2002 at 2:26 PM
I like Varian's idea, too! The only reason I said "Artists'" instead of "Art" development is that I wanted to emphasise the focus on the artist and their skills, as opposed to a focus on the production of art. Most of the other forums focus on a program or technique first (hence the title) and the artist as a result. Does that make sense? I sort of see it as "perceptive/ expressive/ creative" skills applicable to any media as opposed to "usage" skills. My 2c. 8)
Crescent posted Sat, 19 January 2002 at 9:40 PM
Maybe Art Theory and Practice would work? I like Varian's description and I'd be a regular lurker, occasional poster.
Cin- posted Mon, 21 January 2002 at 11:36 AM
I'm coming in on the tail end of all this, but this is a great idea... I agree with the "Art Theory and Practice" forum name, and the description Varian proposed in #14.
MarvinR posted Tue, 22 January 2002 at 5:18 PM
Absolutly, this is a great idea. Nothing else to say, just wanted to add my name as another person on the list that would love to see such a forum. I'll be there!!
ddm posted Wed, 23 January 2002 at 12:41 PM
I'm getting to this discussion a bit late, but I am responsible for the original post on C&D, so of course I'm a proponent of such a forum. My original intent was to talk to others that might be interested in discussing impressionistic styles in digital art. Any place I can chat about that will be fine for me. I'm not interested in render wars, my app is better than your app, nor application specific information although applications that can help with an effect would be useful. doug
SkoolDaze posted Fri, 25 January 2002 at 10:42 AM
and I am getting into this even later yet... I think that this is a great idea. and I like the name in #14 too and may even be a regular myself for I would love to learn more about art theory, especially in the digital format. count me in :)
RadArt posted Sun, 27 January 2002 at 7:41 AM
I like this idea....I support it ;-)
judith posted Tue, 29 January 2002 at 1:20 AM
Excellent idea!
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Varian posted Fri, 05 April 2002 at 3:50 PM
Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12424
The "Art Theory" forum has arrived. Just follow the link. :)