The very first beta of Vue 4.05 has just been released. It's actually our first update for the Mac version! Here is the list of fixes included in the update:

• Objects disappear in locked layers.
• Views were not refreshed when dragging and dropping objects between layers with different status.
• Mac: now possible to add extra vegetation species.
• Mac: Nudge keys not working.
• Mac: problems with wireframe draw (OpenGL disabled).
• Mac: doesn't memorize the last selected item in the browsers.
• Only one try was accepted instead of five when adding extra vegetation species
• Now displays a warning when stopping a render and the render cannot be resumed later (Final or better modes only).
• The render mode would stay set to Preview when resuming render, resulting in the message "You are about to save a Preview picture..." when saving the picture (Final or better modes only).
• In Fractal Terrains Options dialog, pressing Cancel would not cancel the modifications made to the filters.
• Pasting or loading a material via the menu onto a group of objects made out of different materials would not apply the material.
• Materials mixed with other modes than "Full blend" would not exhibit bumps properly.
• Crash when removing all members of a Boolean Difference.
• Problems when rendering Boolean operations involving 3D Mesh objects.

Please note: The update works for version 4.03 and up only.

You can download the update here:
Vue 4.05 Beta 1 Update for Mac
Vue 4.05 Beta 1 Update for Windows

Keep in mind that this is a beta version of the update, so it may not perform as expected... You can revert to the previous version by copying the files in the Back sub-folder (created by the updater) into the root folder of Vue.

Enjoy!
Steve

Awesome list of fixes, Steve! ::crossing fingers:: Thanks for keeping up up to date! :D

"Objects disappear in locked layers"

"Pasting or loading a material via the menu onto a group of objects made out of different materials would not apply the material" (it was happening all the time with Poser imports)

that's the fixes I was waiting for !

But what does "it may not perform as expected" really mean ? should I be afraid ?
Well I won't try it first... go ahead my friends, and tell me if it's running fine ! (especially if your OS is WIN2K)

I had many problems updating to 4.03 (even using the Back folder)...

Eric

I did it! ENORMOUS PROBLEM. Cannot open Vue any more. I have the english version of Vue, when I fire it up, I get the message above and my computer freezes. Too tired today to try any thing else or to put back the files from the backup, will tell you more tomorrow. :-(Guitta

Guitta,

Did you tweak Vue to use a language that is different from your OS language?

Try pressing OK. Vue should start, although parts of the interface will be in your current Vue language, and other parts will be in your OS language...

Steve.

Well, I couldn't wait...and here it is ! I have to re-install the software again... I had exactly the same problem with the VUE 4.03 update. I could fix it by removing the Biosphere4.dll and the "Back folder" before running the update (thanks to a nice tech support from Steve !). I will try the same method with the 4.05 beta1 update... but tomorrow morning ! By the way, I'm running WIN2K on a "healthy" PIII PC. Eric

Ok... I guess I won't try it. Patience...patience..

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BOY, am I glad I waited! I have had soooooo many headaches with vue, you would not believe it. The last time, it took me at least 5 times of install,reinstall to get it to work, so.....I think for now........I will let sleeping dogs lie, and not worry about the update. (: Thanks everybody, and I am sorry that you are having problems...........hopefully, you will be able to fix them soon. genny

It's late, but my little VUE must work properly before tomorrow morning...

I did a total re-installation :

1. launch the application from the CD
2. launch the veg.exe update
3. launch the VUE 4.03 update, after removing the Biosphere4.dll and the "back" folder
4. replace the VUE4.erd, VUE4.erm, VUE4.ers because the language was wrong.
5. remove the Biosphere4.dll and the "back" folder again
6. launch the 4.05beta1

The update process worked but I had the same message as Guitta "incompatible language". After pressing "OK" the interface was indeed in 2 languages (french and english). This is strange...because my OS is in english !

7. I could revert the application to its previous state by using the files in the "back folder".

I won't try anything else, I'll stay with VUE 4.03 for a while...

For the following update I would really like a nice little CD-rom with ONE totally updated application in ONE language ! I'm even ready to pay for it ! Since I have VUE4 (2 months) there has been too much downloading, launching, replacing, removing, updating, uninstalling, etc.
How old is VUE4 ? 5 months ? and it's already update n5 ?!?!?!?!?!

Eric

OOOHH, a genuine challenge again! Call me masochistic, but I'm genuinely beginning to enjoy this. Really. :) And after I d/l it, I'm gonna get some sleep so I can enjoy it later at full strength. ;) OK, If I don't make it back, it's been nice knowing y'all. ;)

Hey, just curious, but how did we go from 4.03 to 4.05? maybe that's a European thing, but I would sort of doubt it. ;)

Mike, the VUE version numbers were converted to Euro's then rounded up to the nearest decimal point.

LOL Hein! That explains it all. :) Folks, remember this patch is a beta. "May not perform as expected" means now that the fixes have all been implemented and the most outrageous patch bugs have been squashed, it's time to check for additional bugs that might've sneaked through. If you try it and run into problems, post the details here as Guitta and Eric have done. It helps all of us stay "on top" of what's happening, and it helps E-on find the nasties and eliminate them. :)

Sorry folks..I won't be participating in this latest beta trial..have uninstalled and re installed vue more times than I care to remember.....however, I do have one question for E-On.... Q: When will the BUM files issues be addressed?

oooopsie ;-) think Ill wait a while on this one too as theres only 1 phrase I know in French :-)

To Steve and all, First thing I did this morning was to fire up Vue 4.05 beta again. I got the same message about incompatible language. My OS (Windows 98) is is french. When I click OK, Vue opens fully in english language, but freezes immediately, I cannot create a new scene or open any existing one. I cannot do any thing on my computer either, because every thing is frozen (Windows). I had to shot down my machine (with the button) and restart it again. Also I have put back all the files and folders from the backup into the Vue root and it worked fine. But as I'm curious, I have done the whole thing again (installed the 05 beta) and got the same result as yesterday. Now I'm back to my Vue 4.03 and will wait for a better update. I'm lucky it works again. Guitta

I installed the beta update tonite and the program started up OK without a hitch. (sigh of relief). This is running under WinXP Pro. Haven't fully tested the program; but it all appears well

LOL, hein! Sorry to hear about all the troubles. :( I opened it too, and at first glance it seems to be doing well, but I haven't really tried anything yet....

Well I may have spoken too soon. Can't open application after aopening it up the first time. Might have nothing to do with Vue so I'll have to reboot my machien and see.

OK, well now, the first thing I wanted to do was to test the boolean fix. I can't even import anything now. I go to the Object menu>Import Object. The screen flashes and then all the viewports disappear, and no import browser opens. Note that that's just for Importing objects, and the Load object dialogue works..as long it's a VOB from the library. Clicking on File in the library window has the sanme effect as trying to import, only the screen doesn't go blank, ut rather simply nothing happens except I can't move my pointer around for about 20 seconds.

Ok..this is weird! I installed the beta update and the program ran fine. Closed program and tried running it again later and WinXP brought up error message. Thought something had gone screwy with my system and rebooted. Tried to run Vue again..got an error. Program will NOT run. Decided to reapply the update on a whim. And guess what..now the program ran. BUT the screwy part is that it only ran the first time; casing an error upon trying to run it again. Reinstalling the upgrade allowed the program to run. So what's up? Is the program now screwing up some file everytime it runs??

I will not be experimenting with the "beta" version either. Besides, the main issue I wanted to see resolved it not listed... transparent materials showing white when illuminated by volumetric lighting :( Oh well, maybe in another 3 months.... meanwhile, I have 5 Vue renders just sitting waiting on a "real" patch. Greg aka Reddog3d

Guitta: It seems that the language resources are not being transferred correctly - that's one of the (numerous) problems that are caused by having updates available in all languages at the same time. On the other hand, I'm sure our international users appreciate not having to wait for the release of localized updates.
Anyway, you said your OS is in French. What language was Vue 4.03 before you installed the update? French also?

Audity: the program is not going to run if the update failed part way through. We are currently modifying our updater so that if it fails for any reason, the program being updated is automatically restored to its previous state.

Sacred Rose: we have found that some BUM files referenced by PZ3 scenes are actually not read correctly by Poser either, although Poser doesn't complain. In such cases, Vue will stupidly report an error... That is, for instance, the case with "P4 woman bump" and "P4 man bump" in the "Poser 4 textures" folder.
Is that one of the files that isn't loading in Vue 4?

MikeJ: does the same thing happen when you press "File" in the other browsers? (say, the atmosphere browser?) What about loading a picture into the material editor?

Uroboros: can you do the following for me:

• run the update
• make a backup copy of the "Environment" sub-folder before running Vue
• run Vue, close it, and try relaunching.
• if that fails, copy the contents of the Environment backup to the current Environment. Try launching again. Does it work?
  If it does, then it means that Vue is corrupting one of its own files. If it doesn't then it could be XP messing around with the Vue dll's.

Thanks to all for trying the update. It's only with your help that we can get them to work right...

Steve.

"does the same thing happen when you press "File" in the other browsers? (say, the atmosphere browser?) What about loading a picture into the material editor?" It sure does, Steve. I tried it with the atmosphere browser and the material browser, and it happens in them the same as in the object browser. Aside from that, the OpenGL shaded preview looks different...better, actually, unless I'm imagining it. And yeah, since Greg brought it up, that volumetric problem sure would be a nice one to have fixed. :)

Steve, my Vue 4.03 was always and is in english, because I want to have it in english and not in french. But anyhow, the 0.5 Beta update freezes my computer, I will not try it again. I'm always ready to try what's new in Vue, but here is no solution for me. Guitta

Well. It says nice and clearly "beta" and what that means in software terms is "we think it'll work but it needs testing by lotsa peeps". Personally, there's no way I'd run up a beta on my only, essential, money-earning copy of an app this complex. I have two advantages though. I am only a hobbyist renderer; and I have nice natty swappable hard disk trays with differnt play OS installations on. So I will try it out on a cack installation and see what happens. Doesn't look hopeful though! :~ Poo! (can I check Adult Content now?}

Right, I've loaded the beta and it installed fine. Here are a few things I have noted so far. More details will be sent to e-on. 'import object' crashes the program. -------------- In terrain editor, reset the terrain to all zero, went into options and altered seed and an amplitude, clicked ok and still got a flat terrain. If I do this without reseting, using options does alter the terrain, but If I reset, I can't generate a terrain, it just stays flat. no other apparent problems in terrain editor.

I can't load plant materials, vue reports it cannot read the .prv files.

Steve, concerning the .BUM problem. I been unable import any .PZ3's without the .BUM error popping up. It does not seem to matter what .PZ3 or .BUM file I choose to use, Vue always throws up the .BUM error message. I'm wondering if it may be something to do with file name conventions and/or program installation locations? Martin

 

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Yup, like zoon I have the same problem with the plant materials. Most come up with an "unable to read file ...plantsfern1.prv" message. Although, a few of the plants, like Red Corel, will load without a complaint. -Irene-

Irene-

Steve I did what yyou suggusted and it didn't help. Still had to reinstall unpdate to run program. So perhaps WinXP is doing something screwy to Vue. And it it means anything... Event Type: Error Event Source: Application Error Event Category: None Event ID: 1000 Date: 1/24/2002 Time: 3:11:18 PM User: N/A Computer: VBUTTARO Description: Faulting application vue4.exe, version 0.0.0.0, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.0, fault address 0x00003741.

Red Dog: I know we have fixed some problems with volumetric spotlights, but I'm not sure it is the problem you are talking about, because I couldn't reproduce that problem. If you'd care to get me a scene I can check it out for you (make sure you include all the maps, especially the transparent ones).

Guitta: I can see now why you are getting the problem. The installer is setting some of your resources to your OS's language, while others are untouched, thus remaining in English. This problem has been addressed in Vue 4.04. We will fix it for people updating from 4.03.

MikeJ: what OS are you running?

Zoon: yes, I see that the amplitudes are not being kept between two openings of the Options dialog. I wasn't able to reproduce the problem with the plants, though... Re/ the import object crash, is it the same problem as MikeJ (does it happen each time you get to select a file using the explorer)?

Martin: to fix this problem we need it to happen here; unfortunately, it works fine on all our computers... The only other option would be to have someone who has the problem and would be willing to spend a lot of time installing test versions for us, and trying them out to see what goes wrong.

Uroboros: you mean that after restoring the Backed-up Environment files the program still crashes? Any chance you could be installing on XP without having administrative rights?

Steve.

Steve, it happens just like with MikeJ. Crashes when I click the menu item 'import object'. I haven't tried it through the vob browser file button - I'll try this tomorrow, but it sounds identical.

Attached Link: http://cybervue.multimania.com/trans.jpg

Steve, thanks for your reply. The problem reddog (Graig) has with transparency is also mine (Vue 4.03). Whenever is used a volumetric spotlight (not a volumetric atmosphere) on a Poser figure (Vicki and others), the eye lashes, the hair and parts of the cloth what are supposed to become transparent, comes out white. I already had told that to Nicholas about last October, but he answered me also he cannot reproduce it on your machines. I have upload a sample image at the link above. If you also need a vue file, I will create one for you. Guitta

Yeah Guitta, that's it. Same thing here when I try it. Moving the light sometimes helps, but it never solves the problem completely.

Guitta: Yes, please put a scene together for me so I can check it out. Don't forget to supply the maps. Thanks for your help. Steve.

Yes Steve only reinstalling the program will make it work again. I tried backing up other files and restoring them with no luck. Could the issue have something to do with the registry perhaps?? And yes I'm logged on as adminstrator here

Attached Link: http://reddog3d.crosswinds.net/volume.htm

Yep, exactly as Guitta shows (and it's Greg ;-) I too have several scenes that illustrate the problem. Let me know where you want me to send it, and it will be on it's way. As Guitta said, it was reported back in October when patch update to 4.03 came out. You can also check the link to see some of the other oddities I have some across when trying to work with the volumetric lighting.

Well, I just discovered it's not reading the .prv files on any of the plants, so they load with no leaf materials. I was going to upload a picture, but when I clicked on the thingy to save the pic, the message, "you are about to save a picture that has been rendered in preview mode...blahblahblah..." came up. I wasn't worried about the quality, so I told it to not switch to final. Then Vue just simply crashed. Sop, no ability to use plants now either. as for how they look, just picture the trees with the leaf textures removed.

Greg: can you put the files up on your account somewhere? If not, I can e-mail you our ftp details. Steve.

Sorry Greg for the Graig:-( Guitta

Steve, I have posted a private message for you. Mike rememberd to me that I used files witch could be stolen by unauthorized persons. Thaks Mike. Guitta

Steve, the BUM file issue is on any BUM file...from Hair to skin to clothing. I have tried poser 4 figures and Millenium figures and props...all with the same result : Invalid file format.

I seem to be having the opposite problem of some people. With the Mac version, trees in my previous scenes and samples don't have branches. However, if I create a new tree it works fine. If I manage to access a PC I could maybe do some testing under Windows. Since my CD contains version 4.04, it might work a bit better than it has for people upgraded from 4.03.

Wireframe without OpenGL works fine now. My house project no longer crashes when selecting the cylinder and cube for the door. However, droping my group is a bit unexpected, as it tries to drop the cylinder to the ground too - instead of maintaining the relative distance of the objects within the group. If I wanted the cylinder to drop, I'd select it by itself. Beside the missing branches and interface redraw issues, there is also a bit of an issue with rendering a full screen image on Mac. It doesn't seem possible to do anything with such an image after it's rendered. Actually you just have to push Escape before the menus return, but it's not obvious. And cancelling with Escape doesn't bring the menus back either - have to press Escape twice more (in 4.04 too btw). If you go back to the scene with F8 - getting back to the 3D scenes becomes difficult as F8/Esc don't do it. - n8

wow - my brand-new Vue 4.02.02 for windows came UPS today, and its so full of serious troubles that reading of hard times doing the several updates sounds thoroughly depressing when I just want to get real work done :(

Interesting nathany. In Vue 3 (and even 4 sometimes) every now and then I had the problem of it dropping all the way to the ground things that were grouped, but they didn't ned to be boolean objects--just grouped objects. But it was pretty rare to have it happen. I'm sory to hear about your problems too, roadtoad, but at least I can tell you that the 4.03 patch (Full Update) on the E-on site took away most of the problems in 4.02. I just ended up reverting to before the 4.05 patch. While I don't have the problem Guitta had with not being able to even open Vue, it's still unusable if it can't import objects, open files in the ediors, or grow trees with leaves on them. ;) OK, I'm ready for 4.05beta2....

Uhm... Guys... wouldn't it be nice if it was possible to choose what language you want your Vue to be in? My OS is german, but I do prefer my 3D-programms to be english versions, because it makes it far easier to exchange data with english applications - something I have to do quite often. Oh, another thing: The german updater still empties all your libraries and forces you to manually rename all of your materials, functions, atmospheres and so on. With about 800 user-defined materials and about 200 atmospheres in my library, there is no way I am going to rename them all manually. So please, please add a function to the updater to choose the appropriate language and do not simple take the OS language. Joerg

Oh Yes Joerg ! that language problem should really be fixed. I run some softwares in french others in english and my OS is in english. It never causes any troubles...
With VUE, for each update, I have to replace some files here and there. The program is always transformed is a french version ! Once in a while I even get "sonnenlicht" instead of "sun".

Message to e-on :
In the root directory there should be a "preference" file, where all your personnal settings (language and options) are recorded. The updater would read it before doing any modifications. Or, like Joerd proposed it, the updater shouldn't launch itself directly. A little window with "select your language" is a good idea.

There is even an easier solution : make one update application for each language !

Eric

Are my tree trunks supposed to be gray? (this in 4.04 too)

Nathany, your "tree trunks" are not "supposed to be gray" ! They can be any color you want ! click on the "summary of materials" button. In the list the "trunk" material will appear. You can then edit it... The original "maple trunk" material is gray and not very realistic. Eric

Here is a report I've just sent to e-on, minus all the memory and other addresses: report 3 As someone reported on the Renderosity forum, if I try to save a picture rendered at preview level in the main view, I get the 'you are rendering at preview level would you like to...' message. If I try to go ahead and save, Vue crashes just like on the import objects problem (four view windows vanish). This is the IPF report: VUE4 caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCRT.DLL at 0177:7800d710. THEN: VUE4 caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCRT.DLL at 0177:7800d32d. Registers: -------------------------- I said I would check on the 'file' button in the vob object browser window. If I click this I get the following crash: VUE4 caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCRT.DLL at 0177:7800d376. Registers: In all of these crashes involving dialogue boxes (save picture, open/import object), the mouse slows down a lot before the crash appearing a few seconds later. ----------------------------- I've hammered the point light and spot light controls, loads of operations and can find no fault. I was going to report the obvious and major bug that when 'no shadows' was selected, point lights still cast shadows, before I remembered that there was a sun in the sky... ------------------------------- in the atmosphere editor, worked for ages with no problem, until I clicked on the 'save atmosphere' button, then I got: VUE4 caused a stack fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at 0177:bff724c1. Registers: ------------------------------- Can't save a vue file either, clicking on save makes it behave just like other file handling dialogue box problems, except this time it didn't crash out completely - the four views and a few other bits vanished, but I could still open new files and existing files - its just that when they had loaded there was nothing there! ---------------------

Thanks for the tip Audity. Unfortunately when I loaded the Vue up again, my scene went back to having no branches. Is beta2 coming real soon now? - n8

Steve, I could - but it is all files - including the samples that came on the 4.04 CD. This is under OS X of course. Btw, sounds like you need more computers :-) - n8

Steve, When do you expect 4.05 to be out of beta?

Here's the Dordogne sample rendered in 4.05 beta 1 under OS X 10.1.2. No branches. Some minor things: - Save picture dialog blanks out the filename when click a folder. So even though Dordogne.jpg was there to start, once I got to the folder I wanted it in, I had to type the filename in. (4.04 too) - Did I mention that it's annoying having to navigate to my user pictures folder all the time? Standard save dialogs provide a way to get to the "home" folder and other favorites. - Would be nice if view settings saved, so I can just leave the othogonal views set to wireframe and not have to reset them on each launch. - n8

Another problem in beta1 for OS X - sometimes the file save menu isn't letting me type! (a filename) Cmd-S to save and cursor sits there blinking, but takes no input. Seems to straighten out eventually though.

Steve, what you got out of my sample file looks great. The problem is that you have done it in Beta 05 and as I told you, I cannot use it, because my Vue AND my computer freezes when I do so. I think I have to wait for the full 05 version. I would like to upload my computer here so you could try by yourself :-) Thanks. Guitta

Steve, some (few) users seems not having a problem with Beta 05, maybe this is due to the OS. I use Windows 98 first edition. Guitta

Steve..if we help with the BUM files...is there any way that we can avoid the 4.05beta or losing all of our current config and program usability? I dont mind helping if all we are working on is the BUM file issue..but Im worried about losing the current setup due to other fixes e-on may be trying to fix at the same time. (I hope that makes sense...it doesnt sound right) but I think u know what I mean.

Ok Steve I have copied the plant files over from my distribution discs. This has not affected the problem at all. (I copied the whole direcotry full of plants, not just the prv files - just realised this) However, after the copy, my vegetation bundle plants have vanished from the plant browser, but not from my HD plant directory. I presume this is a consequence of the copying of the files from the cd plants dierectory., and I won't bother trying to re-install the veg bundle extras unless you need me too until 4.05 is finished.

Steve, 1st, there can be NO discussion of sharing files here that are not publicly available free and freely redistributable, at all. That includes any potential confirmation of having requested and/or received files. You asked my about OS, and I hadn't noticed: Windows 98SE Sacred, make a copy of your Environments folder and put it somewhere else. That's where all your presets are and after copying/pasting the Back folder after patching, put the environments folder you saved back in to the Vue 4 root. I think it only specifically needs the Vue4.env file though.

Nathany: now that is weird... Is there anybody else out there having the same problem on Mac?

Sacred Rose: I would recommend that you create a second installation of Vue 4 on your HD and apply the test versions to that installation. You'd be fine doing it as MikeJ explained, but for greater certainty, it's probably better to have a separate copy of Vue altogether. Just remember to always launch and quit that copy at least once before running the update - to be sure that this is the one being updated.
So... are you game?

Zoon: chances are they will appear next time you launch Vue. If not, you could try deleting the file plants.prv in the Plants folder, and then restarting Vue.

Now, I posted a long note with a render of Guitta's file between messages 53 and 54, but I can't see it any more? Where did it go???

Steve.

Here is the message you posted Steve Site glitch, I suppose... Joerg and Audity: We strive to make updates that work for all languages at the same time, so that nobody feels left aside; but it is true that we have problems with users who have modified the default language of their Vue. It's a problem with the design of Vue, and you'll be pleased to hear that it has been addressed from Vue 4.04 onwards. So this is possibly the last time you have endure it! MikeJ and Zoon: all the crashes are being caused by a missing file for the new selector (4.03 only, it works with 4.04). It will be fixed in beta 2. Re/ the plant .prv files not loading: can you try copying all the files from the Plants folder on the CD back to the same folder on your HD to see if this fixes the problem? Nathany: can we get a copy of the scene that has missing branches? You should expect beta 2 sometime next week. Anybody out there having the BUM file problem and who would care to help us fix it? We can't do that alone, I'm afraid, because it works fine on all our computers. Thanks to all for your great help in sorting this update out. Steve.

I can install a second copy of it on my win98 partition..I have enough room there... It will leave my w2k installation untouched ;] sure Im game. Let me know when u want to start.

Hey Beck just remmember that it will be the most recent location of Vue that has been opened that will get patched when you run the patch...

Oh I might add I had the same experience as Zoon did, but I also made the same mistake of copying it all and not just the .prv files. Will try that again soon.

Thanks Mike..thats why I said I would install a copy on my w98 partition...that way if something goes wrong....i still have a real copy when I boot into w2k :) Thanks for warning me hugs

Hopefully I wont be running this patch? but working on a BUM file patch..... ::: closes eyes and prays:::

A BUM file patch, eh? Now THERE'S wishful thinking. Might as well ask for a perfect LWO import as was implied in the manual ;) Hugs back at ya sweetie... smooooch :)

I am still holding my breath for LWS imports. No reason why they can't modify the existing LWO import to include the scene files. Oh well, I can dream...

Well, the current version will do .lwo OK, as long as it's no more recent than LWO version 5.6, which has alot of limitations, most notably in material/object groupings. But, Vue 4 will not import .lws (LightWave scene files) at all. Funny, but even the "lowly" 3D Exploration can import/export .LWO files as recent as versin 6.0, but still, the 2001 version of Vue 4 can't import the 1999 version of LWO? In spite of the hoopla in the manual regarding LWO import? Hmmmm.....

Ok, I restarted Vue several times, but the plants still don't work. I don't have a file called plants.prv anywhere in my installation (or my backup 4.03 installation) - do you mean vegetation.prv? Let me know and I'll try deleting it if this is the file you mean.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12368&Form.ShowMessage=542862

Not to change the subject, but I want to make sure you see this, Steve, at the link. Could it be the Poser .BUM thing is tied to a shared .dll?

Zoon: Yes, sorry, that's vegetation.prv...

Sacred Rose: Fantastic! Thanks for stepping forward. We'll try not to cause too much harm to your computer =8o|
I'll contact you directly to work out the details.

Nathany: we've identified the problem with plants on Mac.

Thanks to all of you for your help.

Steve.

Sorry Steve, I deleted this file, and Vue re-created it upon re-start, but the program still reports that it cannot read the prv files.

Yep, same here. I tried it earlier.