I just loaded the beta patch on and found that two severe problems have not been corrected: the C exception is gone, but in it's place the interface disappears and the scene file still doesn't open. This happens with scenes that have been saved with the bikini top&bottom that comes with Poser as well as Phil Hokasai's hip and thigh boots (and other clothing). Also, I see no change in the render problems; still can't render a large picture to a separate window and the movie render option to save as images only allows you to save using the current display settings. This means you can't obtain high quality rendered frames.......I sent all this to Larry in an email...... Krel