I just came from www.curiouslabs.com, trying to find some information from the horse's mouth about the mythical Poser 5 and its supposed release date. I know that CL has been gathering input from its users, but how about some feedback? So far all I've seen is speculation here in the forums, but no official word. Maybe I'm not up to par on good business practices, but isn't it usually a good idea to release information on an upcoming product, in hopes that somebody might be interested in buying it? I guess my question is: when is Curious Labs going to give us some solid information?

Who knows? ;=]

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You know, the weird (or, not so weird, depending on how you look at it) thing is that lately, something called Poser 5 has been showing up in some of the more... hmm... "disreputable" sites around town, and its taken every bit of conscious will not to break down and grab it.

Heh - it's easy to refuse the w@rez's version of P5 that's supposedly running around... they're most likely packed with trojans of every given description. You don't want to know how many bugs I have to fight whenever one of my students gets a terminal case of the stupids and drags in a pirated copy of something to show his buddies. /P

I am starting to wonder if Poser 5 will ever happen, and if it does, how much it will cost. If Poser 5 is going to take years to develop, I would REALLY like to see a small Poser 4 patch to fix some of the most common useability issues, like the ability to add new directories to the libraries palette and a separate MAT pose section. Oh, and the ability to CHANGE THE DIAL FONT. Italic pale brown over slightly less pale brown is a total freaking nightmare. Poser Pro Pack is uesless to me. I have no desire to do anything that Pro Pack offers, and I don't want to buy the Pro Pack just to have some small useability problems solved. I am getting a little annoyed with Curious Labs. SOME kind of update on the development process for Poser would be nice. If they would spend less time going after warez kiddies and more time getting Poser 5 development updates on their web site, I would feel much better about the company. But so far, as a non Pro-pack user, the only thing I can thank CL for is a patch that lets me use Vicki and Mike and fixes a couple of bugs. Yawn.

Ya know, Kieraw, you can change the background colour by clicking the "Paint Bucket" icon and clicking on the background. Might make the text more legible.

It does help, just "play" with the color 'till ya like it. ;=]

Good suggestion, Rex!

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I DID know that. ;) However, it changes the font color AND the background color at the same time, and even with my monitor contrast at 100% it still isn't different enough to help. =(

dude you must be blind

Actually, I am legally blind in my left eye, Stolen. Even with my glasses or contacts on my vision is slightly blurred, so I rely on strong contrast to be able to see user interfaces.

And could someone explain to me what Poser Pro Pack does? I downloaded the trial version, and the only thing I thought I could use was a motion blur . . . I didn't really give it a chance, but still, I can't figure out what its for, other than exporting to Flash and other programs that I don't own . . . Ben

It would actually be nice to have a some kind of idea what they are considering. For example rendering Poser stuff in Vue can be a dramatic improvement. If for example Poser will have a better render engine it would be nice to know. That way rather than spend money on Vue or Bryce, I could save the money and put it towards a much improved version, and hopefully not too much more expensive version of Poser.

That's my point exactly: if you're making a product, ADVERTISE IT. I don't understand why CL is being so tight-fisted with its product information. Do they not WANT to make sales? I'd like to know, too. Will they have collision detection, improvements in the interface, easier-to-use libraries, WHAT?!?

Out of curiousity, I've just tried the High Contrast accessibility feature built into Windows, which messes around with font size, colors, etc. to improve visibility for people with vision problems. My recommendation: never use it with Poser. It only affects the menus, not the workspace.

TalmidBen, in addition to the extra export options (Flash, Viewpoint, 3D Studio Max animation, Lightwave animation), you get the following with Pro Pack:

• Python scripts for added functionality (automation, new features, etc.)
• The setup room, which greatly simplifies the figure/clothing creation process
• Some new models, mostly designed for web use
• File compression
• Multi-pane windows (simultaneously view multiple angles)
• Animated materials (change colors, bump strength, or transparency in animation)
• Uses PNG format for thumbnails, which can be edited with most paint programs
• Doesn't use .rsr binaries in Geometry folders; no more .rsr corruption issues

I haven't heard anything about the interface for Poser 5, but kupa dropped some hints that suggest that it will have collision detection (necessary for the cloth-draping system). It'll also have a true raytraced rendering engine that is Renderman-compliant.

I agree with Sgt.Jack.... if a new product is coming out, even 6 months from now, a business should be busily teasing, tantalizing, and whetting the appetites of its customers. That's especially true in a competitive market. It's not quite like Pepsi versus Coke, where brand loyalty depends on nothing but image. Poser versus LifeForms, or Poser versus Maya, involve much deeper differences, and a steep learning curve in either direction. Even so, a little puffery would help to keep our eyes from wandering!

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Well, I think that "hints" are all well and good, but we've all been waiting a while now...and I think the question actually is...Are they really going to do it and soon, or are we just being fed hints that may or may not happen? Pendy

Actually I don't think there is going to be a Poser 5. The advances in Computer Graphics have really set the creators like CL on their ear. People see the stuff that comes out ILM and other effects house or watch something like Shrek and that what they want. And what they get is poser. personally I really like poser, would love to see another better version of it. But I don't think that is going to happen. Instead CL is going to try and create a program that is alot more advance and alot more expensive. it is going to fall somewhere in between Poser and the top end programs like Maya. The cost is going to a very step increase over the cost of poser and it is going to leave all us in the dust. The New program is going to fail because if you could afford it, you could afford something better. CL is going to fold and then we all really will be out in the cold. I think that this is going to happen simply because we haven't heard anything, and I keep looking at what other software companies are doing with their upgrades. personally I have reached the end of my wallet with regards to software and upgrades. While I know that software costs money and the development of the software isn't necessarily cheap, still you would think that the makers of software customers, would give us loyal users a better break on their products. Selling us the product at 40% to 50% off the retail price sounds like a good idea, until you remember that there is almost a 100% change that the price of the product is keystoned.

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Poser 5 will happen. I don't know the release or announcement dates either, but it'll be there and it'll rock (my opinion).

There will also be a release of a Shockwave w3d exporter for Pro Pack soon, allowing you to create stuff like in the link above. This exporter is in beta testing right now.

If you don't hear or read anything from CL about P5 then it's not because we don't care about it but because we're too busy working on it. We want a Poser5 release as much as you want it.

Great animation, stewer. Needs music, though. I'd still like to know if that Shockwave w3d engine can handle something as complex as Michael and Victoria. How did CL resolve the legal issue of downloading/distributing geometry based on their figures?

Well, I don't want to sound grouchy or anything, but maybe we haven't heard anything about Poser 5 because CL has been too busy doing things with the Pro Pak? Like some users of Poser, Pro Pak holds NO interest for me...so sorry if I don't jump up and down about the new exporter. I'd much rather here some concrete words about Poser 5 and what they are planning to put into it and some type of price range. There are so many things that need to be improved in Poser, two of the largest I think are render engine and memory management. Right behind that is a way to make new libraries and separate places for Mat poses..... I mean I try to believe you stewer when you say that CL wants it as bad as we do, but.....I'm thinking not LOL!! We were hoping something would show up when the Pro Pak did. Oh well...someday. Just being grouchy and feeling a bit dissolusioned at the moment. Pendy

This is a lot like what happened with Corel and Bryce 5 when you think about it. We heard basically nothing, right up until release, and even then, it was tough to get any solid info out of Corel as to what exactly was new, aside from the MetaBalls and the tree lab. Cmon, Steve, dont play games with your target audience. Tell us what you have in mind so we can start planning ahead for it.

Odd dynamics... If I say anything about this future feature or that, I get accused of teasing, if I don't say anything I get accused of playing games ;-) I can't go into specific details about the next release. Sorry about that. We're still selling Poser 4. There will be a Poser 5, we're hard at work on it, and there still is a lot of work to be done. It will be priced in a Poser price range, and it will be very, very powerful. It's going to be the most significant feature upgrade of Poser to date. That said, those who have Poser 4 today will be better off $-wise when it comes time to upgrade, and it still makes sense to upgrade to 4 if you haven't already. Here's the little bit of detail I'm able to share- new features to include- * dynamic strand based hair * dynamic cloth with physics * a renderman compliant renderer and raytracer engine * tree and shader node based material editor with procedural shaders * facial photo mapping technology * morph target sculpting * non linear animation * new content I think is is about a deep a peak as can i share at this time. Sorry, but no delivery timelines for now. Steve Cooper Curious Labs

oops, forgot about one other thing- * collision detection kupa

******************************************* ************* Stunned delight ************* ************* Eager Frustration *********** ************* Wistful yearning ************ ******************************************* { deluge of inquiries - "How Soon" } G Thanks kupa! - I see what you mean about accusations of teasing (just from my own internal reactions to your posting :-)). It's a really impressive list!

Thank you for sharing this information, Steve. =) I had heard some of this, but strand based hair, photo mapping, and procedural shaders are all new to me. ;) And the info on the price range is extremely useful.

Only two words to say... HOLY CRAP!!!!! Gawd, I can't wait... will the renderer have radiosity and caustics? Wait, I know, you won't say. 8-P

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This all sounds wonderful to me :) Thanks Steve for saying something. I had heard NONE of this...(I don't get around much, I'm busy working in Poser) LOL!!! now we can all start foaming at the mouth in anticipation! Pendy

WOW! All those features and still in Poser's price range? Let me repeat "WOW!" This is really an impresive list of features. Thanks for the update.

Just tell me one thing: Will ERC crosstalk be fixed????

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Ron, he already said that Poser 4 users would get a special upgrade price. ;)

Man... I'd KILL for a better way to put up backgrounds in Poser! As it is now, I do it by making a square, stretching it to the size of the background image I want to use, texture, line up the camera, make sure the lighitng is okay, make sure there's nothing relflective, and that the square texture is just so, make a snapshot of it by hitting "copy to background"... etc etc etc. 98 steps later, I might have something I could use. Geez - why not just add a simple little "import background" function and rig it to suck in .jpg/.png/.psh images from an external file... If your working window is 640x480, then a 640x480 .jpg would fit perfectly! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! whew - 'k, rant over :) Other than that, I think an easier way to set up point-source lighting (have light emanate directly from a prop, say, like they do in every FPS game editor I've ever seen) would be real cool, too. Oh, and an easier fog and volumetric efects thingy would be really cool. /P

gad... my spelling sucks. /P

Umm... P... I hope you were joking in that post...

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Wow, P5 sounds great! Imagine, a world without Poser . . .

You're just ........

• • • • E X C I T E D * * * *

So am I!

But, I can wait ...
[geep, you stupid idiot, you don't have any choice]
... but, I don't know for how long ....

To whom may I give my deposit for Poser5?

cheers,
dr geep <-------------------------------------------------------------------- [already drooling]
;=]

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

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O. M. G. When you said that I hit the manual (it's rare for me to actually do that.) I found Import|Background Picture. 'scuse me while I go beat my head against the wall for an hour or so. /P <----------- (a guy who stupidly tends to miss the obvious a lot.)

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Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"

cheers,

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I would love to see curious labs let us take a demo of poser 5 beta version for a test drive.

I hate to rain on the parade, but we still don't have a date, a price, or even a firm idea of what Poser 5 is actually going be in relation to 4. Alot of all this that is coming from CL is stuff that we have already heard and heard. Sure we got tossed a small tidbit, but the important stuff is still "we're still working on it." I really really want an afordable and great Poser 5. But I am not going to start jumping up and down with excitment until I see a date, and a price. It would help greatly if the folks at CL would give us an ETA of Poser 5, especially those of us who would have to start socking away some cash to be able to get it when it does come out. Sigh!

Collision detection?! Strand based hair!!? Cloth with physics?!

Waiter, I'd like my cloth with physics, please.<<

I do feel like I've been tossed a morsel, but what a morsel. I can't wait.

Thanks, Steve.
Now, hurry up!! :oP

Hey Steve, et al, just one teensy little itty bitty request if I may? Could you please, please, pretty please with sugar on it, restructure the library system so that we can include sub folders? As it is, I'm about to wipe my c: drive and go back to win95 because I just can't handle the single column scroll forever feature that win98 and up enforces. It's sooooooo much faster for me with the multiple column menu of win95. BUT if y'all would let us use subfolders the problem would be eliminated. Oh, and since we're restructuring the library system, could we maybe add our own categories (like one for MAT poses, etc?). Like my kid used to say when he was six and he really really wanted something "I'll be your friend" g Kate(who will be out of commission while she downgrades her operating system to one that actually works the way she wants it to work)

I would like to see shaders. better animation rendering a gamepad program for controlling animation of figures would be very cool a better easy to understand animation controls animated textures a new camera system tat allow you to parent cameras to figures and move the cameras around the scene multiple windows for viewing a scene physics with gravity and collision would be great auto parenting would be possible with collision, when a figure touches a prop the prop that has auto parent tuned on would automatic parent to the figures hands so the figures could pick things up or drop them. A movie editor for splicing animations and sound blab for making characters talk to sound bytes a text to speech editor multiple texture layering of textures so a figure can have more then one texture allowing another texture to show through. glow, a way to make things glow volumetric lighting background that can run an animation like an AVI file better ray tracing engine better file system faster program that takes advantage of duel pentiums and Macs. Animated trans effects for making rain or snow.

I would also like to see plugins made for poser 5 that enhance the programs abilities, this could lead to a new market an allow people to purchase functions to make the program do new things. Plugns culd be Physics or underwater effects maybe glow effects, there could be a whole new market out of this.

Something ele I would like to see,I would like to see curious labs purchase rights to bryce another metacreations product. If the were to combine both poser and bryce into one program, that would knock my socks off.

Too late, Mesh. Corel bought Bryce. =D What I would like to see is for CL and Corel to work together on a Poser plug-in for Bryce that would make it so I didn't have to spend 40 minutes setting up textures on complex figures. Nothing like bringing in two characters fully dressed each with hair that uses multiple transparencies and setting up CORRECT ambience settings on EACH material part. (Just LOVE that 100% diffuse and ambient. No, really.. I do. It's so fun.)

Ok, this is all well & good. But.... How is it that poser 5 is showing up in warez sites if it hasn't been released yet? (this info from the beginning of this thread) 1. is it warez people have renamed poser 4? 2. someone at curious labs is in the warez business? 3. a beta tester is in the warez biz? But then I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to warez stuff.

They have a gazillion lines of code to write and debug and rewrite..., for two different platforms (maybe they're even working on a Linux version). Patience - start planning that great Poser 5 epic, buy memory, buy a dual Athlon and a bigger hard drive. If you keep peeking up the chimney, Santa will leave you a lump of coal - or maybe a 386SX and a copy of Windows 3.0 PaintBrush.

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About the warez thing... Most likely it doesn't have any copy of poser in it at all. It's probably a tojan horse meant to eat your computer. I don't know this is true, but I'd bet on it. Phoenix

Hey stewer. New render engine? A Morph Studio(Advance the old magnet into a whole 3D tool set to make morphs)? Ok I can dream a little can't I? Hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge.... :) :) :) Yous guys is beautiful!

Hi kupa, I have a question. Will the Pro Pack work with Poser 5 or are its features part of P5? Also if you can't give an ETA for P5, can you give us an ETA for the day you know the ETA of P5? ;)

This new release had better be MAC OSX compliant
as promised to me by curious labs.
and a new ray tracing render rengine is nice but PLEASE dont do what COREL did to Bryce users
with Bryce 5
by adding alot of super raytraced render effects and make you wait 16 to 36 hours to render a quality still and forget about an animation!!!!

and make the cinema hosting plugin compatible with the OSX version of cinema!!!

the nonlinear animation system sounds alot like lightwave motion mixer...cool!!

GIve me those three things and i will be happy

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Ron, Yes I'm aware that beta programs are often released as warez. Yes, I know Windows 95 was released by pirates before it was released by microsoft. My assumption that Poser 5 on warez sites is a fake is because I don't believe CL is far enough along yet as a whole product for it to be releasable by a warez outfit. Are you aare that you often come across as if you're acusing people of being dumb or of being intentionally obtuse or of correcting you unfairly? You have an odd manner, Ron, and I think (because you frequently make the effort to help people) that you must be a nice person, but the way you write comes across very harshly most of the time. Trying not to be ruffled cause I know he didn't MEAN to call me an idiot, Phoenix

Well, since everyone is making sugestions or listing whay they hope the new Poser 5 will include, I may as well add mine. I would like to be able to use the dials from the keyboard. Maybe ALT - UP ARROW & ALT - DOWN ARROR to select the dial and left and right to turn it.

Well, as long as we're compiling wishlist here, I'd like to add: -MP3 / Og Vorbis import. -RAViX II / Illustrate! export. -Procedural texture generation (sorta like the KPT texture explorer, but specificly designed for skin/eyes/hair) -3D acceleration -Built in Dance Studio!

.mp3's, prolly... .ogg files? I love 'em too, but I doubt it. Shaders would be a damned good idea, though... then maybe I can import all the Q3 Arena ones I already have piled up :) /P

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A while back a bunch of us in the alt.binaries.3d.poser newsgroup got together and sent in a large wish list.

Whatever it is on the warez sites labelled Poser5 - it's not Poser 5 or any beta version of it.

No shit... You'll be telling us next that you'll be supporting graphics cards :) That's some fairly slick stuff, you're obvioulsy looking to steal market share from Maya. Cloth, hair and collision detection, I think the "hype meter" just ticked up a few notches. As for the pirate, it's proably poser4 with a IRC trojan or something. Which would you rather spend your time downloading? If somebody is going to rename it, it's because he wants you to download it... Besides which, if somebody had it, we'd be getting funny questions, and "new" images. This is the 'net's premier poser site, hell even the president of the company is a memeber! :) So if there were a poser5, (legal or otherwise) we'd hear of it first. Steve, I can't wait! :) later jb

Will it be backwards compatible? That is, will Poser 4 figures, especially original figures, be usable in Poser 5?

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To answer some questions: Yes, Poser4 figures should work in Poser 5. Maybe not with all the features. In theory, you can use Vicky and Michael in Shockwave 3d, but you don't want to. Just like VET, Shockwave reduces the geometry which doen't look to good on high-poly models. An exported Vicky2 is ~3.5 MB in w3d format and Shockwave 3D doesn't support transparency maps or joint parameters in the way Poser does, so the result is not really satisfying. Since Shockwave3D is a realtime format, the result is also very slow on computers with not so fancy graphics cards. You will be much better off using low-poly figures for w3d and doing the details with textures. If you take a look at the feature list, you will hopefully be able to understand why it takes a while until Poser 5. Be patient, it'll be worth it.

Oh I think that's a given. Noone is gonna upgrade if they can't take their vast collection of toys with them. Even if Poser 5 does abandon the .CR2 (unlikely, I would think) provisions will most assuredly be made for conversions. The library files (and geometry files as well) that Poser reads are, at their core, plain ASCII text that get interpreted by the program at runtime. They read like an insctuction sheet, or oddly constucted grocery list. They would have to go out of there way to make them non-compatible.

I read "Yes, Poser4 figures should work in Poser 5. Maybe not with all the features." to mean that yes Poser 4 items will all work with Poser 5, but they may not be able to take advantage of all the new features in version 5 and will only work the same way they worked in version 4. For instance clothing items made for Poser 4 may not be able to take advantage of collision detection, but clothing made for Poser 5 would. That seems reasonable to me, anyway.

Please don't get me wrong: Poser4 figures will work in Poser5 the way they worked before (don't quote me on that, plans can always change). "Maybe not with all the features." is supposed to mean that some of the new Poser5 features like cloth or hair may require things in models that maybe Poser4 figures do not provide. I cannot predict the future, so what I'm writing here is anything but a final word.

Phoenixamon was quicker at posting than I was :-)

Maybe someone hacked a version of the poser 4 demo into a fully working program, This is what Warez hackers like to do. But that does not explain why they would call it poser 5.

The warez people might be referring to the ProPack as "Poser 5." Given the incredible feature list mentioned, I doubt that they would be in beta at this point. CL is a small company. Unless they contracted it out, I don't see sufficient time since ProPack and Avatar to have a beta P5.

This (small) also means it would be easier to determine which employee gave it out - I wouldn't want to be that person. Of course, they could have been hacked, but I hope their security is better than that. I would imagine that when a beta is ready, CL would be contacting folks here to do the testing. That would be the logical thing to do.

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I do have a question that I hope can be answered... Will some of the public (meaning us) be able to beta test it when its ready for beta testing? Basically tell us to send in e-mails somewhere and like 50 or 100 random names are picked to do the testing. I do Beta testing for Microsoft and a few other places and enjoy hunting bugs and what not. I have been able to crash programs when no one else can... ok maybe that's not a good thing, but it does help find bugs. :)

I would like to see a feature that was available in Poser 3 Mac/Win that disappeared in Poser 4 Mac/Win and ProPack Mac/Win - namely, a Custom Install option to install everything except nude figures. No, I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. However, I am a teacher in a public high school. I have found that it is one royal pain in the butt to go to every workstation and delete all references to nude obj's, rsr's, pict's, tiff's, etc., ad nauseum, each time I load the program. Or is Poser intended only for the mature audience? In that case, I guess I'll have to delete P5's nude references as well. Not being a professional programmer I could not tell how much more programming code that would involve. Thanks for listening, kupa!

Works of the "past masters" might be part of the art instructor's curriculum, but not mine. Perhaps some of my students already frequent this site at home, but there's no way I would let them view this site at school. Besides, as of earlier this year, a bill was signed into law to the effect that any educational institution that receives federal funding in whole or in part have an Internet filtering system in place by this past September 1st as part of the Child Protection Act. Needless to say, sites such as Renderosity are already off-limits.

Deleting the nude figures for a school sounds sensible - have you forgotten what a horde of sub-human adolescents will do with the merest hint of anything sexual? Shudder

I'd like to see a more selective installation protocol. For instance: I care nothing about animation, so I would would enjoy foregoing installing animation options, in order to have a pared-down version. I'd like to see them seriously overhaul the library/menu features. Most definitely I agree with previous suggestions: let us add subdirectories as we like. Also, make the menus compatible with mouse wheels, PLEASE! Allow better customization of the Poser desktop, especially when it comes to font control. The text is too hard to read against the background, and changing the color doesn't help, because the color of the font changes with it. There are a host of common-sense things CL could do to the next incarnation of Poser. Let's see some of them, please?

Scaramouche, do you check those machines every day to make sure the little blighters haven't sneaked some nekkid people on there? I sympathize with you, I wouldn't want to be held responsible for what they might come up with. As regards the COPA, the ACLU filed a brief with the Supreme Court on Sept. 20th, asking that the act be declared unconstitutional. Since even the current conservative leaning court threw out the bill's predecesor, the Communications Decency Act by a 9-0 vote, it should be interesting.

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Not all web protection schemes are "foolproof"(which is the name of a leading educational web blocking software title), but, knock on wood, none of my students have done that. Downloading anything onto their workstations without prior permission of their instructor is a violation of our school's IUP (Internet Usage Policy) and subsequent disciplinary action, which could ultimately lead to the student's suspension. For our T1 line, we must have a safeguard program in place. Additionally, the providers of the T1 line have their own web site blockage scheme. Which is why I said earlier that even though they may have access to this and other sites at their home, they do not in school.

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One question - What about better renderings setting, soft shadows, true reflection, shin, that will make the Poser5 number one, why we try to do so big textures if we can do it using small one, but the Poser4 don't allow to ad the normal things that are needed for a realistic rendering. this are featured that every package need on the first place, Look in deep paint just simple software that show all the features , we all wish that poser 5 have this features and we never need to move to other software for extra rendering , post production and other ad. It will a revolution. Please say yes or not do we have any chance? Thank you Catharina

scaramouche, a simple python script could do the trick of deleting nude objs (or at least ease the load). You might have to re-run it each time you reinstall, but those sort of things are what computers do best;) That was what they were originally designed for. While I don't have Poser Pro, since it has python built into it, you might even be able to force a script to run each time you opened a new file (and could limit the figures that are visible) eric

Some have asked why CL doesn't give a date or hints about P5. Frankly, I'm shocked that Kupa said what he did. What if one of those things can't be fit in? Are we going to be upset? I'll bet CL will be disparaged for days. How many people have read this thread and are thinking "Wow, I should wait for P5 and not buy P4"? By announcing a date for P5 CL effectively eliminates sales of P4 and places themselves in a nasty bind if they miss the projected date. I'm sure CL wants to release P5 ASAP, but let's encourage them to be thorough so that we don't have to put up with so many (notice I'm not stupid enough to say "any")bugs. Also, for those with suggestions for P5 and beyond, don't forget that CL has a wishlist submission area on their web page.

Scaramouche If you are using Windows you could create a batch file to do the deletion. In Notepad you need to type lines like: del ".GeometriesnewFemaleNudeHifemaleNudeHiP3." del ".TexturesFemale Nude Texture.tif" del ".librariescharacterPeopleP4 Nude Woman." until you have all files listed then save it as "Clean up.bat" and after installing Poser copy "Clean up.bat" into the Runtime folder and double click it to run. The "." at the beginning tells it to start from the Runtime folder and then look in the listed sub-folders, the "*" catches the OBJ/CR2 and RSR files with one command. If you have stuff like textures using the school colours you could use the same batch file to copy them into the appropriate folders. No doubt there is an eqivalent on the Mac. The alternative, particularly if all of the machines are on a fast network, would be to set up a master Runtime folder with just the stuff you want on the server and then install Poser, delete its Runtime folder and copy your master across in its place.

I will try that batch file as soon as I get back to school tomorrow - TIA, RHaseltine, that just might help me out!