I started a discussion in the tavern, based on a woman who had $100,000 of plastic surgery just to date doctors, more or less. This lead me to wonder about what people see as beauty, in women or men. I don't mean scientifically prove sexual attractors, or that nonsense. I mean what makes another person beautiful to you, for whatever reason. Based on the marketplace, the ideal woman is, well, Barbie! Is this because it's easier to use Vickie as-is, or is she really all that? Also- I see many people say that "T&A" is what people want to see in the galleries. Speaking as a woman, no thanks, I have a mirror. Is that really an aesthetic, or an excuse? What do you see as beauty, and why? In men or women- what do you think?