Hi Codeman You don't need to get Canoma as there is a full free package on the web that can apparantly do curves as well. It is called Geometra and you can download it at www.geometra-3d.com. There are three version, the basic one is free and is not time or picture limited. What is more it apparantly does curves. I have only just got it so I cannot verify the claims. Above are samples of renders from the Geometra site. The building is a textured model done in geometra as is the face. One drawback appears to be the export options. (it apparantly only exports in DXF and VRML). STORM