Okay... :Grins: maybe some of you brilliant people can help me out. I'm doing a series of illustrations for a book (it's a game book) I'm doing the chapters.. and I've gotten every one done but one.. and it's the one about mass combat... War.. etc... Now... Ideally I just do some simple models in poser, pull them into bryce and etc... unfrotunately I've tried that and bryce dies after so many. :grins: so much for a p4 and a half gig of ram. Any suggestions on how I may go about this? Anz