OK... I havent done ANYTHING with this render, except taking it down in file size. It's Eve, Sclabbers pose, Alice hair... the rest is mine. So, - all the initial flaws on my models are quite apparent!! I've modelled a lake prop, - with a rocky area surrounding it, - and the little waterlilly prop too. QUESTIONS Water.. I've used one of my tricks from the old Micrografx Simply 3D.. making the water... layers, - of course. But... the reflective layer underneath the semi transparent doesn't work in Poser???? How do you guys do water in Poser?? How do I best do "water postwork" in Photoshop?? I realize Poser isn't Bryce... but how do I make the rocks look at least "a little" realistic?? Britt PS... would anybody be interested in a lake prop and waterlilly prop??