I was paroozing the Truespace Mailing List and I found this: I knew a few folks who used to work at Metacreations. (if this has been beat over too much already, I apologize in advance...I shall not post on this subject again...ever) Here is what they have told me. (several sources said the same thing, so i am assuming it is as they say) 1. All 3D products not directly supporting Metastream by default are GONE! This includes (but not limited to) Bryce, Poser, Painter, KPT, Raydream, Infini-D, Dance Studio, and Painter Classic. 2. Carrara will be "supported" as MC moves to its new offices, whereby, it will most likely be sold off. Canoma is going to be staying with the (d)evolving MC. 3. All previous patents owned by Metacreations are being held indefinately. The only expeptions are Bryce, which is still held by its original creator, and KPT, which has partial sources from Adobe and Aldus. 4. More layoffs are planned...we have only seen the begining of the end. 5. The reason for the pull-out are still a bit cloudy. 6. Marketing was spending WAY over budget, but receiving next to nothing in returns. Several user groups for various products got "snubbed" at SIGGRAPH and other conferences. (They were a no-show at Macworld) 7. Development was getting kicked by both users and management for not producing updates/new developement quickly enough. 8. Management was giving themselves 20% raises with 10% losses in revenue each quarter...something had to give. So, instead of filing chapter 13, they decided to liquidate all but its most "promising" applications. They knew that Carrara was not going to save them, nor would the further development of Painter. Bryce5 project brainstorming was canceled on the eve of the announcements. Use what you have, cause after they close their doors on the office in Cali, they will not produce another 3D artist tool or 2D painting tool, ever again. Regards,