I just rec'd my latest subscription copy of PCPlus (UK, Future Publications, #189 - May 2002). The cover disk lists the Full Product Cinema4D V5 (Inside it the magazine it describes it as V5 SE, but it's still a pretty good deal). I clicked thru to the MAXON website to check out the price on upgrades (specifically C4D ART 7, as I don't do animation) and found the website confusingly incomplete in this, with no price info on ART 7 at all that I could find, but I understand the program is pretty well regarded.