Okay, I have been struggling with this for two full days now and it's really frustrating the heck out of me. I'm this ** close to relegating this model to the great recycling bin in the sky. While in Setup, the joint rotation works as I want it to, with the center of rotation where the "limb" joins its parent. However, when I switch to the Pose view, the center of the joint rotation seems to be centered somewhere in the center of the floor... even though I open the joint parameter palette and the green and red +s are where they should be. So the "limb" goes flying off into the sky. If I switch back to Setup, everything works fine again. Arrrrrrrrgh! Anyone know what's going on? I have the latest SR. Tilandra