Either I'm a complete idiot or those body handle thingies are a useless waste of time. I can't get them to do anything except mess up whatever position I was trying to put the model in. And how the heck do you work those stupid egyptian skirt thingies? The hip poses just fine but the legs won't pose worth a damn no matter what I try. (and no, I'm not trying to conform them, I know they don't conform, but they don't take the damn pose either). I'm gonna give up and put that and the body handles on the same list as the lights, magnets and the grouping tool - the "things that don't work for me and just make me want to throw the computer out the window so I'm not gonna even bother with them" list. Kate (who is feeling slightly ripped off at the moment but will get over it)