I have seen poser pro in action and i must say how dissapointed I am. Poser really needs to evolve, grow up if you will. And yet it refuses to live up to the 'Premier 3d character Animation and Design tool' tag. Why the hell did CL include those daft cartoon characters. Are they not looking at what the masses are doing with Poser? How about a Vicky/Michael quality model? The animation interface is old as the hills and still yeilds the same old irratic results. Come on CL!! I have used Poser from the off, but the only thing that keeps it fresh is the talented and generous users who donate to the forums. I'm seriously considering Hash:AM. Someone persuade me not too!!!