Well, in case y'all think I've forgotten Poser entirely, you can take a look at my latest image and see what sort of progress I'm making. It's posted in the Vue gallery because most of the work was done in that app, but I'm really pleased with the posing and the rendering of the Poser Model. BTW, does anyone know who did the El Grecco hair? I downloaded it so long ago that I can't remember where the heck I got it from and it's a great piece of work! Oh yeah...the image is at http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=4907 Kate